Jan 2, 2015, 8:17 am
Last edit by: Goldorak
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Paid access options for AF lounges are displayed after the lounge list.
EUROPE
Paid access options for AF lounges are displayed after the lounge list.
EUROPE
France
- CDG : AF lounges in
- Terminal 2F (Schengen)
- Terminal 2G (Schengen) : More info here.
- Terminal 2E (non-Schengen) : one lounge in each concourse (K, L, M gates).Pictures of the renovated L lounge can be found here. La Première lounge is located in 2E-K and is subjected to special rules for access (P pax on AF-operating flights only, or capacity-controlled paid access for J pax flying on an AF-operating flight without P class).
Terminal 2C : arrival lounge, located landside at the extreme right of the terminal, after the last check-in counter, just before the corridor leading to 2A. This lounge has specific access rules and there is a specific thread about this lounge.This lounge is definitely closed. No arrival lounge facility is currently available for AF/Skyteam pax ending their journey in CDG (usual lounges are still available for transit pax).
- KL, AZ, UX depart from T2F and use AF lounges.
- ME, DL, VN, CZ, MU, RO, AM, KE, KQ depart from T2E and use AF lounges.
- SU and SV depart from T2C, where AF is not present anymore. So those airlines are using the contract lounges available in this terminal.
- OK departs from T2D, where AF is not present anymore. OK is using the contract lounge (SheltAir lounge) available in this terminal. (NO GUESTS ALLOWED FOR AF-TICKETED PAX on OK-SERVICE)
- AR, GA, CI and Xiamen do not serve CDG.
Train station (air+rail ticket): AF air+rail counter gives you if eligible a 16€-voucher to use at the Sheraton (opens at 7:30am).
- ORY :
- Orly 1 - A Gates (Former Orly West Hall 1 / Schengen flights) : contract lounge (Premium Traveler). Note 09/2022 : This lounge is not anymore accessible for free by AF pax (paid access only) More info here.
Orly 1 - B Gates (Former Orly West Hall 2 / Schengen flights) - AF lounge : more info here andhere.This lounge is definitely closed.- Orly 2 (Schengen flights / C gates): AF lounge located near gate C16, upstairs.
- Orly 3 (non-Schengen & Schengen flights) - AF lounge for non-Schengen flights.
- BOD : AF lounge in terminal B (more info here). For the rare case that a flight would depart from Terminal A (or KLM flights BOD->AMS), there is a contract lounge available.
- LYS (T1): All AFKL flights depart from T1. Eligible pax can use the Confluence Lounge (see description here, pictures there).
- MRS : airport lounge (located airside in Term 1 hall B (formerly known as Hall 3)). More Info. Note : lounge closed for renovation until June 2024.
- NCE (T2): airport lounges (Infinity lounge# for Schengen flights, Levity lounge for non-Schengen flights). More info here and here. Note : those lounges were previously called Cap Ferrat and Cap d'Antibes, respectively.
- TLS : airport lounge (La croix du sud), airside. More info here.
- MPL : airport lounge, airside. More info here.
- MLH: Skyview lounge. more info here.
- Other AF stations in France not listed above : no lounge.
Armenia
- EVN : Converse Bank Business Lounge. This is the generic contract lounge for all airlines at EVN. More info here
Austria
- VIE (terminal 1) : Vienna Lounge. More info here. Note that there is no more cooperation/code-share agreement between AF & OS on CDG-VIE route ==> no more access to OS lounge.
Belgium
- ZYR : Eurostar (ex-Thalys) lounge (business days), Pullman hotel (1st floor) on week-ends. Thalys lounge is outside the station, across the street from the AF counter. More info here.
- BRU : Diamond lounge, concourse A More info here Note that passengers on DL codeshare will have access to BA lounge in concourse B.
Bulgaria
- SOF : Preslav lounge
Croatia
- DBV : Business Lounge. More info here
- SPU : ???
- ZAG : Primeclass lounge. More info here
Czech Republic
- PRG : Erste Premier lounge. More info here and here.
Denmark
- BLL : airport lounge (King Amlet lounge).
- CPH : Aviator lounge. Review can be read here
Finland
- HEL : 2 airport lounges (Aspire) can be used by AF/KL eligible flyers. More info here (gate 27) and here (gate 13 - most recent one).
Georgia
- TBS : ?
Germany
- BER : Tempelhof lounge. More info here. Also available since 01/06/2023 : Tegel lounge.
- BRE : airport lounge. More info here
- DUS : airport lounge (Hugo Junkers). More info here
- FRA : AF lounge. More info here.
- HAJ : airport lounge (Karl Jato). More info here
- HAM : airport lounge. More info here
- MUC : AF lounge. More info here
- NUE : airport lounge. More info here (04/2018) and here (update 08/2023).
- STR : AF lounge. More info here and here (update 10/2023).
Greece
- ATH : airport lounge (Goldair Handling). More info here
- CFU : ???
- HER : no lounge
- JTR : no lounge
- JMK (Mykonos) : ???
- RHO (Rhodes) : no lounge
Hungary
- BUD : airport lounge (Skycourt lounge). More info here.
Ireland
- DUB : airport lounge (DAA Executive Lounge). More info here
- ORK : Aspire lounge
Italy
- BLQ : airport lounge (MBL lounge). More info here
- BRI :
.- CAG: Prima Vista Lounge. More info here.
- CTA : former AZ lounge.
- FCO (T1 Schengen) : Plaza Premium for AF/KL departures. New AZ lounge "The Hangar" seems to be for ITA and Air Europa only. (July '23). More info on Plaza Premium lounge here.
- FLR : airport lounge (VIP Club lounge). Pictures here and here.
- GOA : airport lounge (Sala Genova).- located landside, but with an exit directly into the fast track lane for security check. Note : AF route suspended since beginning of pandemic but KL operates and you have access.
- LIN : SEA Lounge Leonardo.
- MXP : Schengen area: Sala Monteverdi (more info here). Non-Schengen: Montale Lounge by default, Casa Alitalia only if on AZ ticket or AZ operated flight.
- NAP : New airport lounge (Pearl lounge) opened early July 2021. More info here and updated here
- OLB : Olbia Airport Club Lounge
- PMO : ???
- TRN : Airport lounge (Piemonte lounge). More info here
- VCE : Marco Polo lounge (more info here)
Latvia
- RIX*: Business lounge
* Route only flown by BT metal (AF & KL codeshares)
Lithuania
- VNO* : Business lounge
* Route only flown by BT metal (AF & KL codeshares)
The Netherlands
- AMS : 2 KL lounges (1 Schengen - lounge 25 and 1 non-Schengen - lounge 52). Pictures of the new non-Schengen KL lounge can be found here.
Norway
- BGO : Bergen Lounge More Info
- OSL : airport lounge (OSL lounge). More Info
Poland
- KRK : Airport business lounge. More info here
- KTW : Business lounge.
- WAW : airport lounge (Fantazja). More info here and here
- WRO : ?
Portugal
- LIS (T1) : airport lounge (ANA lounge). More info here
- OPO : Airport Lounge (ANA lounge). More info here
Romania
- OTP : Tarom Business lounge (more info here).
Russia
- LED : airport lounge (Pulkovo lounge).
- SVO (Term E): "Space" lounge for AF/KL (and other non-SU operated) flights. "Galaxy" lounge for SU operated flights. See info on Space lounge here
Serbia
- BEG : airport lounge (Bizniz lounge) for Y Elite+ pax; Air Serbia lounge for C pax.
Slovenia
- LJU : Business lounge. More info here
Spain
- AGP : airport lounge (Aena). More info here
- BCN (T1) : airport lounge (Pau Casals). More info here
- BIO : airport lounge (Aena). More info here
- IBZ (Seasonal) : airport lounge (Aena - Cap Des Falco). More info here
- MAD : airport lounge (Puerta del sol - more info here). Since this review, the lounge has been renovated. Other info about food offering here and here
- PMI : Sala Formentor. More info here
- SVQ : Airport lounge (Azahar lounge). More info here
- TFN : airport lounge (Aena - Nivaria). After security, 1st floor on the right before duty free.
- VLC : airport lounge (Aena - Joan Olivert lounge). More info here.
Sweden
- ARN (T2) : airport lounge (Pearl Lounge). More info here and here and here
- GOT : airport lounge (Menzies). More info here.
Switzerland
- GVA : AF lounge (French sector). More info here.
- ZRH :
- BSL : see France / MLH
Turkey
- IST: Skyteam lounge
Ukraine
- KBP : airport lounge
United Kingdom
- ABZ: airport lounge (Servisair), called “Northern Lights” upstairs near gate 1.
- BHX : Aspire lounge, more info here. Aspire south also available.
- BRS :
- EDI : airport lounge (Two Aspire lounges - original by gate 4 and new one by gate 12) (more info here)
- GLA :
-HUY: Aspire lounge. (Route only flown by KL). More info
- LHR (T4) : Update March 2023 : AFKL are returning to T4. Lounge used seems to be the Plaza Premium. The Skyteam lounge in T4 is definitely closed(a review of this ST lounge can still be seen here: More Info). FB platinum members can use VS lounge in T3 when flying VS or DL from UK.
- MAN (T2) : Escape lounge until 17:00, then 1903 lounge after 17:00. More info here and there.
- NCL : Aspire Lounge.
- SOU : Spitfire Lounge (at least when traveling KL, not sure what happens when traveling T3 on AF-codeshare). More info.
NORTH AMERICA
Canada
- YQB : Salon VIP Club Med. More info here.
- YUL: AF/KL lounge. More info on the renovated lounge here and here. Pictures and review of the lounge before renovation can be found here.
- YOW : Aspire lounge. (Caution: FB members cannot bring guests into this lounge, a paid visit is $50.85 CAD; sending the receipt and boarding passes to AF and they may reimburse)
- YVR (International Terminal - Concourse D) : Skyteam lounge. More info here.
- YYZ (Term 3) : AF/KL lounge. More info here.
USA
Hereafter are listed the nonstop destinations to/from France (AF- and DL-operated as part of their transatlantic JV). DL SkyClubs are available in several other US airports and can be found on DL web site).
- ATL (Concourse F) : DL SkyClub (+ other DL SkyClubs in other concourses)
- BOS : for AF-operated flights (term E) : AF lounge (Graf lounge) - See here. Note that from 04/22, the DL- flights to CDG, AMS, LHR, FCO also depart from Term E and pax can use the AF lounge. For the other DL-operated flight (Term A): DL SkyClub. A new DL SkyClub will be available in 2023 in Terminal E.
- JFK : AF lounge in T1 (some pictures here and in this trip report). The mezzanine has been further enhanced for providing night service - see here and here. For the DL-operated flights JFK-NCE and JFK-CDG : DL SkyClub in T4.
- EWR (terminal B) : Plaza Premium lounge (ex-Virgin Club House). Note 08/2023 : lounge closed for renovation. A 35$ voucher can be obtained at check-in counter and used for F&B in the terminal.
- IAD : AF lounge (concourse A). Update July 2019 : lounge has reopened after extension and renovation. Pictures of the lounge before extension & renovation can be found here. More info after renovation here.
- MIA : LATAM lounge on J concourse.
- CVG* : DL SkyClub.
- DFW : Mar 2023 = AF uses Capital One lounge.
- DTW : several DL SkyClubs available in each concourse. AF (and DL) flights to CDG depart from Concourse A, which has 3 SkyClubs (the main one in the middle of the terminal and 1 at each of the terminal station of the trains system).
- ORD (T5) : Update 11 OCT 2022 : new DL SkyClub in terminal 5 where DL has moved operations. More info about DL lounge here. AF lounge is definitely closed (you can access previous review of the AF lounge here and a review of the Swissport lounge here that has been used temporarily until 10/10/2022).
- MSP : DL SkyClub.
- RDU* : DL SkyClub
- SLC* : DL SkyClub.
- SEA : DL SkyClub gate A1. Beware : AF leaves from S gates. No lounge for AF pax in S gates ==> need to use DL SkyClub at gate A1.
- IAH: AF lounge (Term D) reports of upcoming renovations, KLM lounge (recently renovated)
- SFO : AF lounge (International terminal - Concourse A). Note 16/06/2023 : the renovated and extended AF lounge has reopen. It includes a separate room for P pax and another one for Ultimate pax. Review of new SFO lounge can be read here.
- LAX (TBIT) : KE lounge. AF has also a plan to build their own lounge at TBIT (last info is april 2022). As of May 2022, AF is using OW lounge again (per pax report) and also DL in T2/3 is available with the new airside walkway to TBIT, also all ST-operated business/first class passengers can enter via the Delta One Private Check in on the arrivals level of T3, which has a private check-in lounge with food and beverages, private security and elevator access directly into the SkyClub
https://www.delta.com/us/en/airports...t-map#onecheck
* route flown by DL metal only
CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
- BOG : Avianca Diamond Lounge (AF is not using anymore the El Dorado lounge, reviewed here).
- CAY : AF lounge.
- CCS : airport lounge (Premier club). Note : route suspended since beginning of pandemic
- CUN (T4): Mera Business lounge.
- EZE (Term C): AR lounge (salon Condor). More Info
- FOR : ? (supposed to be a GOL lounge, TBC)
- GIG (T2) : GOL VIP lounge (more info here). Note : AF has moved their operations from T1 to T2 in June 2016. The former AF lounge in T1 has been definitely closed (a review of the former AF lounge in T1 is accessible here.). Note 01/23 : GOL lounge is still closed. AFKL pax can access the Plaza Premium lounge in T2. (More info here)
- GYE : Sala VIP $43
- GRU : W Premium lounge. More info here and here. (Formerly used executive VIP lounge (more info here) and American Express Centurion Lounge on the mezzanine of T3 (more info here)).
- LIM : airport lounge (SUMAQ VIP lounge). More info here.
- MEX (T1) : Grand Premier lounge : More info here.A specific lounge was used in 2019 for P pax, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore (More info here). T2 Lounge "Sala VIP"
- PTY : Copa Club lounge.
- SCL : Skyteam lounge. More info here and here
- SJO : Jose Santamaria VIP Lounge next to gate 5. Wifi, food and drinks available. Make sure to mention that you are on AF as not all participating airlines offer free alcoholic beverages.
- UIO : Mitad del Mundo lounge. Note : route suspended since beginning of pandemic
ASIA / PACIFIC
- BKK : AF lounge (concourse F). See here. Some pictures after the renovation are available here, here and here.
- BLR : Above Ground Lounge and partly closed for renovation (expected to re-open Summer 2020?). Currently Bangalore International Lounge.
- BOM : airport lounge (MALS - Mumbai Airport Lounge Services).
- DEL : Encalm Lounge on 2nd floor, accessible via elevator
- HKG :AFKL pax use the Qantas Lounge (reviews here and here with 2023 pictures)
- HND (Int’l terminal) : JL Sakura lounge (more info here). There is also a DL SkyClub accessible to AF pax. AF P pax and FB Ultimates can use the JAL 1st class lounge near gate 112 in T3.
- ICN : KE lounge. See here. Note April 2018 : since this review, AFKL have moved operations to new terminal 2 and use the new KE lounge in T2.
- KIX : KIX Airside lounge.
- NOU : SB Hibiscus lounge (accessible to AF pax only when flying J between NOU and NRT or KIX, in connection with an AF flight to CDG).
- NRT : Premier lounge (Terminal 1). more info
- PEK (T2) : Skyteam lounge. More info here and here and here. Update DEC 2018 : Lounge temporarily (?) closed. Pax can use the T2 BGS lounge.
- PPT : TN lounge (Manuhiri lounge).
- PVG (T1) : P pax: MU "lounge 36" (gate 18). J and Elite+ pax: lounge 37 (gate 18) or 39 (just after security)
- SGN : VN lounge.
- SIN :
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- TPE : CI lounge (Dynasty lounge). Note : route suspended since beginning of pandemic
- WUH : Airport lounge. Note : route suspended since beginning of pandemic
CARIBBEAN & INDIAN OCEAN
- FDF : AF lounge.
- HAV : airport lounge.
- MLE : Leeli lounge
- MRU : MK lounge. More Info
- PAP : ?
- PTP : AF lounge.
- PUJ : airport lounge (VIP Lounge Punta Cana)
- RUN : AF lounge.
- SDQ : airport lounge (Sala VIP Caribe) More Info
- SEZ: airport lounge.
- SXM : airport lounge (Soualiga). Note 12/2021: lounge closed
- TNR : Constellation lounge
MIDDLE EAST
- AMM : airport lounge (Crown lounge). Note : route suspended since beginning of pandemic
- AUH (Term. A): Pearl lounge. More info here
- BEY : MEA Cedar lounge. More info here
- CAI (T2): SV Alfursan lounge. More info here
- DXB : Skyteam lounge in terminal 1 concourse D (more info here). AF P & Ultimate pax use the Ahlan lounge (more info on Ahlan lounge here).
- JED : (SV Lounge) Al Fursan Lounge. Info Here
- RUH (T2) : Contract lounge (Wellcome Lounge) Info here
- TLV (T3) : Airport lounges (Dan lounge, one at Concourse B and one at Concourse C). See info here
AFRICA
- ABJ : airport lounge (Aeria).
- ABV : airport lounge (FAAN VIP lounge)
- ACC: Akwaaba Lounge
- AGA : Pearl lounge. More info here
- ALG : AH lounge.
- BGF : airport lounge.
- BKO : airport lounge.
- BZV : ?
- CKY : airport lounge.
- CMN : AT lounge. More info here.
- COO : airport lounge.
- CPT : International - BidVest airport lounge
- DAR : CIP lounge. More info here
- DLA : AF lounge.
- DSS (New Dakar airport): Infinity lounge
- FIH : "VIP Départs" lounge. More info here
- FNA : airport lounge.
- JIB : AF lounge. More info here.
- JNB : SLOW lounge (P pax have access to a special controlled access VIP room with a butler in the SLOW lounge) - More info here. Note that the AF/KL lounge is closed permanently since April 1st, 2016. A review (with pics) of the ex AF lounge can be read here
- LAD : TAAG lounge.
- LBV : airport lounge.
- LFW: airport lounge (salon Union). More info here
- LOS : AF lounge.
- MBA : Safari lounge
- NBO : KQ lounge (Simba or Pride lounge). More info here. Note: Simba lounge is closed and may not reopen. Pride lounge is open.
- NDJ : ?
- NIM : airport lounge.
- NKC : airport lounge.
- ORN : VIP Egsa lounge
- OUA : airport lounge (Regie).
- PHC : airport lounge. Note : route to be suspended from end March 2019.
- PNR : airport lounge (HAT Enterprises).
- RAK : AT Oasis Lounge. More info here
- RBA : airport lounge (Pearl lounge). More info here
- ROB : ?
- SSG : Sala VIP lounge
- TNG : Pearl lounge
- TUN : TU lounge. More info here
- ZNZ : no lounge
Paid access for AF-operated lounges (as of 14 July 2023 for CDG/ORY lounges. Info for other lounges are dated from 17 OCT 2018 and are likely outdated):
FRANCE CDG & ORY
Advanced booking is possible online (in MMB), except for ORY2 (Schengen) lounge and one can pay in cash or miles. FB Silver members get 25% off if booked online at least 24hrs before flight (except ORY2 as it's not possible to pre-book the option for this lounge).There is no more 25% rebate for W pax applicable in CDG/ORY lounges.
- ORY3 (non-Schengen) : adult 75€ or 15,000 miles; child 35€ or 7,000 miles.
- ORY2 (Schengen) : adult 30€ or 6,000 miles; child 15€ or 3,000 miles.
- CDG 2F (Schengen) : adult 75€ or 15,000 miles; child 35€ or 7,000 miles.
- CDG 2E (non-Schengen) : adult 75€ or 15,000 miles; child 35€ or 7,000 miles.
- CDG 2G (Schengen) : adult 75€ or 15,000 miles; child 35€ or 7,000 miles.
OTHER FRANCE STATIONS (Outdated info)
BOD : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
EUROPE (non-France) (Outdated info)
- FRA : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- MUC : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- STR : 25 EUR or 6000 miles (lounge closed since beginning of pandemic)
- GVA : 40 CHF or 6000 miles
NORTH AMERICA (Outdated info)
- BOS : 35 USD or 6000 miles
- JFK : 50 USD or 6000 miles
- IAD : 50 USD or 6000 miles
- IAH : 35 USD or 6000 miles
- SFO : 50 USD or 6000 miles
- YYZ : 35 CAD or 6000 miles
- YUL : ?
APAC (Outdated info)
- BKK : 1000 THB or 6000 miles
AFRICA / MIDDLE EAST (Outdated info)
- DLA : 30 EUR or 6000 miles
- LOS : ?
CARRIBEAN / INDIAN OCEAN (Outdated info)
- PTP : 30 EUR or 6000 miles
- FDF : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- RUN : 30 EUR or 6000 miles
- CAY : ?
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Air France lounges and contract lounges master thread
Aug 7, 2019, 3:56 pm
#917
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Access question for the AF lounge at IAD (Washington, Dulles). I'm a SkyTeam Elite Plus flying in Business (Z) on a KLM-marketed, DL-operated flight from IAD-DTW-AMS next spring.
The Skyteam web site says I should have access:
First and Business Class
KLM web site says I should have access:
Other lounges worldwide
So, I'm (hopeful) in assuming that I would have lounge access with my KLM-marketed, Delta-operated, first class flight from IAD-DTW, which will connect to a KLM-marketed, Delta-operated business class DTW-AMS flight. Am I correct?
The Skyteam web site says I should have access:
First and Business Class
All First and Business Class passengers traveling on, or connecting to/from, a same-day international flight operated by a SkyTeam member airline have access to a lounge. Lounge access will be provided only at your departure and transfer airports, and not on arrival. For connecting customers, both the domestic and international flights must be operated by a SkyTeam member airline and all segments need to be booked in First or Business Class. Simply present your First or Business Class boarding passes for the lounge agent to validate for admission.
KLM web site says I should have access:
Other lounges worldwide
As a Business Class passenger, Flying Blue Platinum and Gold member or as a SkyTeam Elite Plus member you can also access many of our partner airline lounges worldwide.
North America (Air France/KLM/Delta airport lounges) Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Montreal, New York-JFK, San Francisco, Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Tampa, Dallas, Raleigh, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Seattle, Fort Lauderdale, Minneapolis, Portland, Detroit, West Palm Beach, Memphis, Milwaukee, Boston and New York-LaGuardia
But, when I pull up IAD specifically they go on to say:You can access this lounge if you are an eligible passenger traveling on an international flight operated by the following airlines:
North America (Air France/KLM/Delta airport lounges) Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Montreal, New York-JFK, San Francisco, Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Tampa, Dallas, Raleigh, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Seattle, Fort Lauderdale, Minneapolis, Portland, Detroit, West Palm Beach, Memphis, Milwaukee, Boston and New York-LaGuardia
But, when I pull up IAD specifically they go on to say:You can access this lounge if you are an eligible passenger traveling on an international flight operated by the following airlines:
So, I'm (hopeful) in assuming that I would have lounge access with my KLM-marketed, Delta-operated, first class flight from IAD-DTW, which will connect to a KLM-marketed, Delta-operated business class DTW-AMS flight. Am I correct?
Aug 7, 2019, 11:22 pm
#918
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Access question for the AF lounge at IAD (Washington, Dulles). I'm a SkyTeam Elite Plus flying in Business (Z) on a KLM-marketed, DL-operated flight from IAD-DTW-AMS next spring.
The Skyteam web site says I should have access:
First and Business Class
KLM web site says I should have access:
Other lounges worldwide
So, I'm (hopeful) in assuming that I would have lounge access with my KLM-marketed, Delta-operated, first class flight from IAD-DTW, which will connect to a KLM-marketed, Delta-operated business class DTW-AMS flight. Am I correct?
The Skyteam web site says I should have access:
First and Business Class
All First and Business Class passengers traveling on, or connecting to/from, a same-day international flight operated by a SkyTeam member airline have access to a lounge. Lounge access will be provided only at your departure and transfer airports, and not on arrival. For connecting customers, both the domestic and international flights must be operated by a SkyTeam member airline and all segments need to be booked in First or Business Class. Simply present your First or Business Class boarding passes for the lounge agent to validate for admission.
KLM web site says I should have access:
Other lounges worldwide
As a Business Class passenger, Flying Blue Platinum and Gold member or as a SkyTeam Elite Plus member you can also access many of our partner airline lounges worldwide.
North America (Air France/KLM/Delta airport lounges) Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Montreal, New York-JFK, San Francisco, Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Tampa, Dallas, Raleigh, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Seattle, Fort Lauderdale, Minneapolis, Portland, Detroit, West Palm Beach, Memphis, Milwaukee, Boston and New York-LaGuardia
But, when I pull up IAD specifically they go on to say:You can access this lounge if you are an eligible passenger traveling on an international flight operated by the following airlines:
North America (Air France/KLM/Delta airport lounges) Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Montreal, New York-JFK, San Francisco, Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Tampa, Dallas, Raleigh, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Seattle, Fort Lauderdale, Minneapolis, Portland, Detroit, West Palm Beach, Memphis, Milwaukee, Boston and New York-LaGuardia
But, when I pull up IAD specifically they go on to say:You can access this lounge if you are an eligible passenger traveling on an international flight operated by the following airlines:
So, I'm (hopeful) in assuming that I would have lounge access with my KLM-marketed, Delta-operated, first class flight from IAD-DTW, which will connect to a KLM-marketed, Delta-operated business class DTW-AMS flight. Am I correct?
** anecdote : the AF staff at the lounge scanning my BP asked me why I was not on the non-stop AF IAD-CDG that was leaving 2hrs later instead of connecting in DTW. I replied that the cost of the J ticket returning on the non-stop was 7 KE while it was 3.5 connecting in DTW. Easy decision.
Last edited by Goldorak; Aug 7, 2019 at 11:27 pm
Aug 8, 2019, 6:43 pm
#919
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Programs: DL DM, 1.5 MM; AS MVP Gold 100K; HHonors Diamond; AMEX Platinum
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Yes you have access to the AF lounge in this configuration (personal exp last year on almost the same routing as you : IAD-DTW-CDG DL/AF **). But keep in mind that the lounge opens only at 10:30 am.
** anecdote : the AF staff at the lounge scanning my BP asked me why I was not on the non-stop AF IAD-CDG that was leaving 2hrs later instead of connecting in DTW. I replied that the cost of the J ticket returning on the non-stop was 7 KE while it was 3.5 connecting in DTW. Easy decision.
** anecdote : the AF staff at the lounge scanning my BP asked me why I was not on the non-stop AF IAD-CDG that was leaving 2hrs later instead of connecting in DTW. I replied that the cost of the J ticket returning on the non-stop was 7 KE while it was 3.5 connecting in DTW. Easy decision.
Aug 13, 2019, 2:43 pm
#920
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,939
ORD Chicago O'Hare - AF/KL lounge
Name of the lounge AF/KL lounge Chicago ORD
Location: Terminal 5, airside between gates M7 and M8
Opening Hours :
- tuesday, thursday, friday, sunday: 8:15 to 23:50
- monday, wednesday, saturday : 6:00 to 23:50.
Entry requirements: usual Skyteam requirements. Possibility of paid access for 40 USD or 6000 miles. Note that AFKL welcomes many airlines in this lounge + several pass holders (see picture above), including PP, and so it can be very crowded. Pass holders are refused when lounge gets full. But this is reaching a point where even AFKL pax may be turned away…
Food offer
Drinks offer : soft drinks, selection of red & white wines, Prosecco, liquors
Services
Wifi: yes
Showers: no
Toilets: no
Quiet zone: no
Loungers/sleep area: no
Business area: no
Spa: no
TV area: no
Passengers are called: yes
Information screen: yes
Newspapers: yes
Other information
Number of seats: about 60
Level of noise: medium
Design: see pictures
View: yes, great view on the apron (see pictures below)
Multi floors: no
Terrace: no
Smoking area: no
Direct boarding: yes if gate M7 is used. Unfortunately gate M8 is used often, but is 2 min walking from the lounge
Location: Terminal 5, airside between gates M7 and M8
Opening Hours :
- tuesday, thursday, friday, sunday: 8:15 to 23:50
- monday, wednesday, saturday : 6:00 to 23:50.
Entry requirements: usual Skyteam requirements. Possibility of paid access for 40 USD or 6000 miles. Note that AFKL welcomes many airlines in this lounge + several pass holders (see picture above), including PP, and so it can be very crowded. Pass holders are refused when lounge gets full. But this is reaching a point where even AFKL pax may be turned away…
Food offer
- warm options very limited (and not very appealing) : 2 different pasta
- cold options : selection of sandwiches + snacks
Drinks offer : soft drinks, selection of red & white wines, Prosecco, liquors
Services
Wifi: yes
Showers: no
Toilets: no
Quiet zone: no
Loungers/sleep area: no
Business area: no
Spa: no
TV area: no
Passengers are called: yes
Information screen: yes
Newspapers: yes
Other information
Number of seats: about 60
Level of noise: medium
Design: see pictures
View: yes, great view on the apron (see pictures below)
Multi floors: no
Terrace: no
Smoking area: no
Direct boarding: yes if gate M7 is used. Unfortunately gate M8 is used often, but is 2 min walking from the lounge
Last edited by Goldorak; Aug 13, 2019 at 2:49 pm
Aug 19, 2019, 12:38 am
#922
Join Date: Nov 2011
Programs: FlyingBlue Plat
Posts: 500
A quick question about the showers in CDG 2F AF lounge. How realistic is it to manage to use a shower during a morning layover at CDG. I have a TATL landing at 5:55 and then a connecting flight at 8:05, and I figure I might have about 1 hr (1.5 hr max) in the lounge. Is it realistic to squeeze in a shower at this hour? I know that the queues at AMS are endless, so I was wondering about CDG. Many thanks for the advice!
Aug 19, 2019, 1:23 am
#923
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
It's actually quite simple: your Personal Escort brings you through security to the lounge, into the lift, up one floor, and into a small room. In there you have four round tables for eating, and some seats and sofas. Two rows are facing the window with views on the tarmac, and one is a group where seats/sofa face each other. You order food from the menu. When your flight is ready to board, you're being picked up and escorted to the gate.
My personal judgment: the room is quite small and at times can feel a bit crowded, as sometimes you have the P pax of more than one flight in there. But you obviously always find space. The food is OK, but several leagues below what you get in the P lounge in Paris. Desserts are ice cream or whatever there is on the buffet in the main lounge. Wines are OK, the waiters tend to be clueless about them.
All in all it's pleasant and being able to dinner before the flight is convenient (especially since the menu on the JFK-CDG flights is quite frugal, even in P), but probably won't make it to the top of your lounge experience list.
Aug 19, 2019, 3:13 am
#924
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NCE, MCM
Programs: DL PM
Posts: 167
A quick question about the showers in CDG 2F AF lounge. How realistic is it to manage to use a shower during a morning layover at CDG. I have a TATL landing at 5:55 and then a connecting flight at 8:05, and I figure I might have about 1 hr (1.5 hr max) in the lounge. Is it realistic to squeeze in a shower at this hour? I know that the queues at AMS are endless, so I was wondering about CDG. Many thanks for the advice!
on prior trips i have definitely waited more than 2hrs for a shower but also had longer layovers, so not sure if they prioritize the list or if i just got lucky
Aug 19, 2019, 1:57 pm
#925
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Programs: UA GS, Amex Centurion, UA 1MM
Posts: 557
I think there actually is a dedicated thread. Otherwise, what would you like to know about?
It's actually quite simple: your Personal Escort brings you through security to the lounge, into the lift, up one floor, and into a small room. In there you have four round tables for eating, and some seats and sofas. Two rows are facing the window with views on the tarmac, and one is a group where seats/sofa face each other. You order food from the menu. When your flight is ready to board, you're being picked up and escorted to the gate.
My personal judgment: the room is quite small and at times can feel a bit crowded, as sometimes you have the P pax of more than one flight in there. But you obviously always find space. The food is OK, but several leagues below what you get in the P lounge in Paris. Desserts are ice cream or whatever there is on the buffet in the main lounge. Wines are OK, the waiters tend to be clueless about them.
All in all it's pleasant and being able to dinner before the flight is convenient (especially since the menu on the JFK-CDG flights is quite frugal, even in P), but probably won't make it to the top of your lounge experience list.
Also....does the 4:25 77W departure share the same lackluster catering as the later two flights? is it any better or worse?
I'm such a dedicated UA and *A person as they've locked me in perpertually trying to re-qualify yearly for GS. I decided to try the other side (lol) after reading pretty glowing reviews of AF P class (especially CDG lounge/ ground experience) and the 77W especially.....it's the perfect storm of being in range of qualifying for GS (fingers crossed) and having a trip that AF was a viable (though, not most convenient carrier...vs LH F) very much looking forward to the experience....I know LH F...solid but not overwhelming. Cant wait to experience AF (I hope)
thanks again.
Last edited by saccoNY; Aug 19, 2019 at 2:03 pm
Aug 19, 2019, 2:45 pm
#926
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much!
Also....does the 4:25 77W departure share the same lackluster catering as the later two flights? is it any better or worse?
I'm such a dedicated UA and *A person as they've locked me in perpertually trying to re-qualify yearly for GS. I decided to try the other side (lol) after reading pretty glowing reviews of AF P class (especially CDG lounge/ ground experience) and the 77W especially.....it's the perfect storm of being in range of qualifying for GS (fingers crossed) and having a trip that AF was a viable (though, not most convenient carrier...vs LH F) very much looking forward to the experience....I know LH F...solid but not overwhelming. Cant wait to experience AF (I hope)
thanks again.
Also....does the 4:25 77W departure share the same lackluster catering as the later two flights? is it any better or worse?
I'm such a dedicated UA and *A person as they've locked me in perpertually trying to re-qualify yearly for GS. I decided to try the other side (lol) after reading pretty glowing reviews of AF P class (especially CDG lounge/ ground experience) and the 77W especially.....it's the perfect storm of being in range of qualifying for GS (fingers crossed) and having a trip that AF was a viable (though, not most convenient carrier...vs LH F) very much looking forward to the experience....I know LH F...solid but not overwhelming. Cant wait to experience AF (I hope)
thanks again.
Objectively the on-board product of AF is not better or worse than LH (some elements better on one, some on the other). Subjectively and according to your taste you may indeed find AF overwhelming. In any case you didn't make a wrong decision, it's an absolutely fantastic product. The ground experience in Paris is better for the transfer experience, restaurant-in-the-lounge food and the spa; otherwise FRA B Lounge and especially MUC Satellite First Class Lounge are nicer (layout, light/windows/views, privacy, showers/bathrooms). But again, matter of taste, you don't go wrong with either.
Aug 22, 2019, 2:20 am
#927
Join Date: May 2017
Location: LYS
Programs: FB Plat
Posts: 438
Regarding the IAD renovated lounge, I was tired and forgot to do a proper lounge review.
At 4 PM I had a large choice of food:
- vegetables from the oven
- a choice of hot meats and rice
- a Do-It-Yourself salad buffet
- multiple verrines
- also sandwiches, fruits and soup, but the sandwiches were very appealing, and a very good bread!
Probably more, but I was very tired. I don't remember a fridge. There were 3 non-alcoholoc drinks: water, (non-sparkling) lemonade, and iced tea.
There is also a free wifi (better than the airport one), showers, and a bar. I didn't try to ordee alcohol, so no clue if the bar is to check your ID or to make you pay on order. The lounge was indeed quite crowded. Compared to the old lounge, the new one has more natural light, I saw a dedicated area for a few passagers (maybe it's also for Ultimate 👀 ).
(I would like to disable Flyertalk's autocorrect on mobile, because it does more harm than good. Had to retype the same words 4 times until it stopped changing my post!)
At 4 PM I had a large choice of food:
- vegetables from the oven
- a choice of hot meats and rice
- a Do-It-Yourself salad buffet
- multiple verrines
- also sandwiches, fruits and soup, but the sandwiches were very appealing, and a very good bread!
Probably more, but I was very tired. I don't remember a fridge. There were 3 non-alcoholoc drinks: water, (non-sparkling) lemonade, and iced tea.
There is also a free wifi (better than the airport one), showers, and a bar. I didn't try to ordee alcohol, so no clue if the bar is to check your ID or to make you pay on order. The lounge was indeed quite crowded. Compared to the old lounge, the new one has more natural light, I saw a dedicated area for a few passagers (maybe it's also for Ultimate 👀 ).
(I would like to disable Flyertalk's autocorrect on mobile, because it does more harm than good. Had to retype the same words 4 times until it stopped changing my post!)
Aug 22, 2019, 1:03 pm
#928
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,939
Regarding the IAD renovated lounge, I was tired and forgot to do a proper lounge review.
At 4 PM I had a large choice of food:
- vegetables from the oven
- a choice of hot meats and rice
- a Do-It-Yourself salad buffet
- multiple verrines
- also sandwiches, fruits and soup, but the sandwiches were very appealing, and a very good bread!
Probably more, but I was very tired. I don't remember a fridge. There were 3 non-alcoholoc drinks: water, (non-sparkling) lemonade, and iced tea.
There is also a free wifi (better than the airport one), showers, and a bar. I didn't try to ordee alcohol, so no clue if the bar is to check your ID or to make you pay on order. The lounge was indeed quite crowded. Compared to the old lounge, the new one has more natural light, I saw a dedicated area for a few passagers (maybe it's also for Ultimate �� ).
At 4 PM I had a large choice of food:
- vegetables from the oven
- a choice of hot meats and rice
- a Do-It-Yourself salad buffet
- multiple verrines
- also sandwiches, fruits and soup, but the sandwiches were very appealing, and a very good bread!
Probably more, but I was very tired. I don't remember a fridge. There were 3 non-alcoholoc drinks: water, (non-sparkling) lemonade, and iced tea.
There is also a free wifi (better than the airport one), showers, and a bar. I didn't try to ordee alcohol, so no clue if the bar is to check your ID or to make you pay on order. The lounge was indeed quite crowded. Compared to the old lounge, the new one has more natural light, I saw a dedicated area for a few passagers (maybe it's also for Ultimate �� ).
Regarding the bold part, alcohol is free with AF. IAD being located in VA, it is a state law to have an attended bar for alcoholic beverages. So they may ask for your ID if they wish. I have an anecdote about that. I was once in this lounge with several colleagues, including one who was around 42 at that time, but he looks much younger than his real age. He went to the bar to have a glass of Champagne and came back a few minutes later with no glass in hands. So we asked him why and he laughed saying he has to show his passport to the bar attendant because she wants to be sure he is older than 21! We are still joking with him about that story
Aug 22, 2019, 2:24 pm
#929
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
I was once in this lounge with several colleagues, including one who was around 42 at that time, but he looks much younger than his real age. He went to the bar to have a glass of Champagne and came back a few minutes later with no glass in hands. So we asked him why and he laughed saying he has to show his passport to the bar attendant because she wants to be sure he is older than 21! We are still joking with him about that story
Last edited by San Gottardo; Aug 22, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Aug 28, 2019, 8:20 pm
#930
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: NYC
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 360
Hello everyone,
I’m flying KLM in J JFK-AMS out of T4, but i’d like to go to the AF lounge in T1 (I have no status but flying J) instead of the DL lounge in T4. Will the allow access? Last time they denied because I was flying AZ in J, but that’s because AZ has its own lounge right next door.
thanks for any feedback!
I’m flying KLM in J JFK-AMS out of T4, but i’d like to go to the AF lounge in T1 (I have no status but flying J) instead of the DL lounge in T4. Will the allow access? Last time they denied because I was flying AZ in J, but that’s because AZ has its own lounge right next door.
thanks for any feedback!