rwoman

Asked on the 764 issues we've been discussing, I thin there's an IT glitch somewhere.

sesasheep

So, keeping in mind the 764 bulkhead is free, would you take it and be happy? Or would you still pay for another EC seat? We have 15AB JFK-LHR

mkenwayx

Anyone fly on the 737-700s (77W) lately?

Also, trying to clarify the 75Vs (Hawaii fleet). I believe this is what I'll have LAX-LIH, from what I can tell. From reading here and a.net, sounds like the 75Vs have completed the EC update. The reason I'm asking is I'm sitting in 23, which on some EC 757s would be the worst seat since it's the first row of economy behind EC...

Thanks!


(In rememberance of the DC10s we used to fly to the islands...and MKE-MSP for that matter!)

currentjer

I took the 15A too, here's hoping that I get my booze.

rwoman

Here's a pic of the space between row 15 and the bulkhead on the 764:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...1/91380222.jpg

kicksral

Anyone know why the bulkhead row (row 15) of the 767-400ER from ATL-MUC shows up as a non-EC row? On Seatguru, it is an EC row, and is in fact "green" due to the extra legroom, etc. On the Delta seat selection chart, the row is non-EC (and hence, free of charge), but the 4 rows behind it are EC.

rwoman

Row 15 is still EC.

The seat map appears corrected on all of my upcoming trips - row 15 is green again.

I would double check selecting 15A held since the seat map has reverted back to normal.

kpfleming

Flew on 2012-02-02 on DL80 from ATL-BRU, on a 763, in EC. Seats were decent, and had a noticeable amount of additional pitch (legroom) compared to usual Y seats.

Flew on 2012-02-06 on DL57 from AMS-ATL, on a 333, in EC. Seats were also comfortable (with nicer headrests than the ones on the 763), but the seat pitch was *terrible*. I sat in 12J, companion was in 12H. We noticed when we sat down that the row 11 seats seemed closer than we expected. Before exiting the plane, I used a headphone cable to measure the seat pitch: it was 34". This means that it is approximately one *whole* inch more than the standard seat pitch in Y on that plane. It is true that the Delta websites says "*up to* four additional inches of legroom", so one inch falls within that statement... but if I had actually paid the premium for EC on this flight I would have demanded a refund. The additional seatback recline is nice, but not as valuable as the increased seat pitch.

In addition, choosing rows 10-14 on this plane for EC seems to be a terrible idea, because there is extremely little overhead storage for most of these seats. Seats 10A-B and 10H-J have no underseat storage (they are exit row/door seats). Seats 12C-D and 12F-G have the same issue (bulkhead). Seats 11A, 12A, 11J and 12J have no underseat storage, because the space underneath the seat in front is completely filled by the AVOD electronics box. Out of the first 16 seats in EC, 10 of them have *zero* underseat storage. On top of that, the grand total of overhead space for these sixteen seats is 4 half-length bins and 2 full-length bins (and the center row bins are not deep enough for a decent size rolling suitcase). We boarded towards the middle of the Sky Priority group (another story there... terrible gate crowd handling at AMS) and when we got to our seats there were passengers seated in all of rows 10 and 11, 12A-G and some of row 13... and all overhead bins back to row 14 were already full.

Granted, we made it home, and that is Delta's primary goal, but marketing these seats as 'preferred' for frequent fliers seems ridiculous.

vatraveler

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I was also underwhelmed with eC on the 333.

FlytheTail

I may be mistaken, but on some aircraft (including I think the A333s), they didn't take any rows out and instead took away an inch or two from the non-EC seats. On the A333s, the seat pitch was reportedly 31" to 33". I think the max now outside of EC is 32" so you may have received 2 or 3" more than the other seats. Did you happen to measure the non-EC seats?

BearX220

Think how you'd feel if you'd paid extra for them. As for "we made it home..." it seems like both Delta and its apologists count any flight that doesn't kill you as a success. I feel your pain.

kpfleming

No, I didn't... I suppose that would have been wise but I was concerned about it looking weird :-)

I was going by the map page on SeatGuru that says "31-33" inches for the standard Economy seats; maybe that's inaccurate like the "38" inches for EC is.

rwoman

kpfleming,

Thanks for your feedback. I've added it into the EC FAQ.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...t-seating.html

LegalTender

We shouldn't have to troll boutique websites to pin down what seat pitch we MIGHT actually confront for extra $ on a trans-oceanic run.

The lack of any EC uniformity should be a bigger issue.

avidflyer

I feared the "hype" about EC would outstrip reality. It is a regular coach seat with slightly more leg room. That is the only expectation you should have. I read here about getting "upgraded" to EC and had to laugh. 99% of the flying public could not tell the difference if they looked quickly. The free booze is a nice touch but there should be no illusion: EC = Coach.