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Old Feb 23, 2021, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by lobo411
The "California strain" has had 5 months to fester, .
Why this strain is not called the Denmark variant?

Worrisome coronavirus variant now linked to half of cases in California

New evidence suggests a more aggressive strain, spreading faster and causing worse illness

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/02/22/worrisome-coronavirus-variant-now-linked-to-half-of-cases-in-california

A coronavirus variant first identified in Denmark is now surging through California and represents more than half of samples in 44 counties, according to new UC San Francisco data released Monday.

The variant, called L452R, is more infectious than the original strain of the virus, although it does not appear to spread more quickly than the U.K. variant, scientists found.

Also troubling is new evidence that links the variant to increased risk of severe illness and death. Additionally, people who are vaccinated seem to produce fewer protective antibodies in response to the variant, suggesting it might evade our immune defenses.

This raises worries that it may draw out the pandemic, cause more deaths or make vaccines less effective.
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To test whether antibodies could fend off this new strain, Chiu’s team tested the cultured virus in the lab against antibodies from people who were either vaccinated or had already been infected with the virus, although not this strain. They found a two- to four-fold reduction in the ability of antibodies to fend off the variant virus. This means that vaccines might have to be re-tooled to stay effective..

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Old Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by exp
Case rates have come down a lot in CA and across the nation.

Or around the world even.

However, it looks like the decline is flattening around 60k a day for the country and 3-7,000 for CA.
Case counts started out higher in SoCal vs NorCal because SoCal is more heavily/densely populated, so in NorCal they're flirting with the Red and Orange tiers. But most of SoCal is still in the Purple Tier, and it's going to take a while for that reservoir of high case counts to drain. But it's happening.

In my county, Riverside, the positivity rate in mid-January was 25.2%. It's now 7.6%.
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by PanAmWT
Why this strain is not called the Denmark variant?
It's my understanding that the "California variant" is not believed to be a mutation of "original" covid. It's believed to be a merger of two mutant strains (the Denmark strain and the UK strain).

https://weather.com/en-IN/india/coro...mutated-hybrid
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 4:57 pm
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Actually the scary potential is that it mixes in one person with another variant and we get a super variant.

For instance, the UK B.1.1.7 is more infectious because it takes more than twice as long to clear from the body, during which time the infected person could spread the virus. Specifically, it didn't exhibit higher viral load as some feared.

But the CA B.1.427/429 does exhibit double the viral load.

So a super variant could have double the viral load and for twice as long.
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by lobo411
Case counts started out higher in SoCal vs NorCal because SoCal is more heavily/densely populated, so in NorCal they're flirting with the Red and Orange tiers. But most of SoCal is still in the Purple Tier, and it's going to take a while for that reservoir of high case counts to drain. But it's happening.

In my county, Riverside, the positivity rate in mid-January was 25.2%. It's now 7.6%.
Rutherford said that the masking in Bay Area has been more prevalent from the beginning and continue to be the case. I have not been to Southern CA for a year, but in the last six months whenever I go out, it is rare to spot one person without mask on the streets of San Francisco or San Mateo.
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by PanAmWT
Rutherford said that the masking in Bay Area has been more prevalent from the beginning and continue to be the case. I have not been to Southern CA for a year, but in the last six months whenever I go out, it is rare to spot one person without mask on the streets of San Francisco or San Mateo.
More people have been masking down here too, but the variable that seems to have the most dramatic impact on covid is the same variable that affects health outcomes across the US: Poverty. SoCal has a lot more poverty than the Bay Area.

Poor people have more dangerous jobs (can't work from home when you stock grocery shelves), they live in densified housing, and they're reluctant to go to the doctor because they don't have an assurance of affordable care. This despite the gov't's assurance of "free" covid care. When you hear stories like the one below, as a poor person, you don't go to the doctor unless you're dying.

His wife, the physician said, had less than a 30% chance of surviving COVID-19.Then the medical bills began to arrive. The grand total to save the 51-year-old woman’s life: $1,339,181.94.

What the Vacaville couple — with five jobs and nine mostly grown children between them — are actually on the hook for: $42,184.20.
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...urance-waivers
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 7:24 pm
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A number of people vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines have developed a condition called thrombocytopenia, where they end up with low amount of platelets and their blood is unable to coagulate.



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/h...ine-blood.html
Thanks for posting this. I have dealt with ITP since 1996 in a chronic state for all but the last 10 years as I am technically in remission. The true cause of ITP in most patients (< 50,000 in the US) is not typically determined in most patients. Acute cases, although infrequent, can occur following vaccination and most of these vaccine triggered ITP cases respond well to traditional treatments and within a few weeks are back to normal. Will this prevent me from getting the COVID vaccine when it is available to me, absolutely not. The risk of recurrence, IMHO, is very low and the benefit of the vaccine far outweighs this risk.
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 1:20 am
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Why haven’t we had any variants where the transmission/viral load etc are reduced?
Most likely there were mutations that provided a variant with lower transmission rate and lower viral load. Such a variant would be at disadvantage as it would not replicate fast enough and would disappear in the current competitive environment for people's throat. Darwinism 101.

Meanwhile in Germany the Czech effect is visible and is used by the German government to justify the closure of the border with Czech republic. Czech republic is having a deadly third wave (https://english.radio.cz/80-percent-...n-says-8710091), their hospitals are full again (they asked for international cooperation to ship patients abroad). The results is that this transpires on the territories bordering Czech republic:


(Blue Curve: German cases
Orange curve: Czech republic cases)

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Old Feb 24, 2021, 10:02 am
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It looks like a real divergence is occurring between the EU and the United States, and we may be at the point where vaccination is starting to really impact outcomes. The University of Washington's IHME models are predicting a general decline in case counts in both regions, but they're also predicting localized surges in several European countries. It looks like the EU is still projected to perform far below its abilities when it comes to vaccination. From what I can gather, the difference between the "Reference Rollout" and "Rapid Rollout" scenarios is not vaccine production/availability (which is not something governments can change). The difference seems to be vaccine education and vaccination infrastructure campaigns (which governments absolutely can change).


The vaccination forecast for the EU. Note the huge gap between the projected vaccine rollout (green line) and the rapid rollout (blue line). The EU could be doing a whole lot better, but they aren't:





Now here's the US vaccination forecast. Note that there's practically no difference between the projected rollout and the rapid rollout. IE, we're already performing at optimal efficiency



COVID-19 resources | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 10:36 am
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Study says that when given at the right time, the Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG), could protect newborns against a variety of common conditions such as upper respiratory tract infections, chest complications like pneumonia or bronchitis, diarrhea and potentially Covid-19.

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea...munity-3302448 which notes articles from Lancet.
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 10:43 am
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BCG was (is ?) mandatory in France and ex-East Germany. Not sure to observe any effects of this vaccine on the population in those two countries.
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by lobo411
It looks like a real divergence is occurring between the EU and the United States, and we may be at the point where vaccination is starting to really impact outcomes.
If Israel is not at the point after 50% of population vaccinated with at least 1 dose and 35% got both, not sure when US will reach this point, if ever. The daily cases are still higher in Israel than in US, per million population. Wonder why there is still no doubt/explanation for this discrepancy (between the touted vaccine protection on paper and ongoing transmission in reality)
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 11:15 am
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If Israel is not at the point after 50% of population vaccinated with at least 1 dose and 35% got both, not sure when US will reach this point, if ever. The daily cases are still higher in Israel than in US, per million population. Wonder why there is still no doubt/explanation for this discrepancy (between the touted vaccine protection on paper and ongoing transmission in reality)
They only recently started vaccinating young people, which is where almost all of the transmission occurs. We've known this for months, but it bears repeating:

If you want to end covid ASAP, and possibly lower the overall death toll by stopping the spread quickly, vaccinate young people first.

If you want to lower death rates ASAP, and possibly accumulate a higher final death toll because the spread continues, vaccinate the oldest people first.
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by lobo411
The vaccination forecast for the EU. Note the huge gap between the projected vaccine rollout (green line) and the rapid rollout (blue line). The EU could be doing a whole lot better, but they aren't:
While the EU has no responsibility for the vaccination program, by most measures the member countries are performing very poorly on vaccination. The EMA approved the vaccines later than US, but not by an amount that would explain the delay.





My local paper has stories about German doctors refusing the AZ vaccine and instead waiting for the Pfizer vaccine to become available, which might explain why only 15% has actually been used.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2AO1EK
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Old Feb 24, 2021, 2:02 pm
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CureVac's and Bayer have a mRNA vaccine in 3rd phase testing , 225 million doses ordered for EU

CureVac's jab used the same mRNA technology as the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine, which is also produced in Germany, and the US-made Moderna vaccine.

https://www.dw.com/en/curevac-eu-vac...jab/a-56548696

Is this a game changer , or just another of the vaccines that are being tested and will help fill the hole of the billions of doses needed ?
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