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Thanksgiving premium fare discussion

Old Oct 28, 2014, 2:19 pm
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This thread is to discuss the historically annual premium class fare sales that occur for travel (mostly TATL) during the US Thanksgiving holiday period.

FAQ

Q: When is Thanksgiving? What travel dates are covered in the Thanksgiving Day sales?
A: Thanksgiving in the United States is observed on the 4th Thursday of November.

The week of Thanksgiving and the weekend after are considered to be the busiest period for US domestic air travel due to large numbers of people traveling to spend the holiday with loved ones. As a result business travel demand, especially for international business travel, is unusually weak. This drop in demand is believed to be the origin for the Thanksgiving holiday international business class fares.

Typically these fares are offered for travel outbound from the US in the period from the Sunday before to the day after Thanksgiving. Return travel is usually valid for the day after Thanksgiving to the following Wednesday.

Q: When do the Thanksgiving fare sales start?
A: Sometime in the summer with an average start date of Aug 4.
The first reports, by year, posted on the message boards of Thanksgiving holiday sales are as follows:

2015: Jul 25**
2014: Aug 9
2013: Jun 18
2012: Jul 11
2011: Aug 8
2010: Aug 18
2009: Aug 11
2008: Jul 2
2007: Sep 22

**In 2015, on Sep 30 OW initiated a very brief 2nd round of discounted fares. It only lasted about 18 hours.

Q: How good are the Thanksgiving sales? What are some typical prices?
A: Many times the Thanksgiving airfare deals are the lowest TATL premium class fares offered the entire calendar year.

The lowest prices reported to the board each year are as follows:

Note: All prices from here on out are all-in round-trip/return prices in J unless otherwise noted.
2015: $1608 NYC-LIS on OW
2014: $1625 JFK-MAD on a combination of US/AY. Sample dates: 11/27-12/02
2013: $1400~ NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN on UA/DL/AF/KL
2012: $854 EWR-DUB on US
2011: $1380 NYC-DUB on *A
2010: $1272 EWR-LHR on CO
2009: $1309 EWR-OSL on CO
2008: $1560 PIT-FRA on AA
2007: $1100~ EWR-ZRH on UA


Some other notable deals reported:

2015
$1795 NYC-LIS on ST

2014
$1700 JFK-ARN on AY
$1800 JFK-BCN/MAD on ST/OW
$1940 MIA-MAD/MAD-JFK on OW/*A
$1950 MCI-MAD/BCN on OW
$2050 EWR-OSL/ARN on *A
$2000-$2100 BOS-MAD/ARN
$2074-$2120 MIA-MAD/BCN on ST/OW/*A
$2088 BOS-MAD
$2100 NYC-OSL on ST
$2157 DFW-MAD on OW
$2800 LAX/SFO-MAD/BCN

2013
$1417 JFK-LHR/DUB-JFK on ST
$1444 PHL-FRA/MUC on US
$1448 JFK-LHR/LIS-JFK on ST
$1486 EWR-BRU on *A (+9W)
$1500 JFK-LHR on VS
$1514 JFK-LHR/BCN-JFK on ST
$1519 JFK-LHR/MAD-JFK on ST
$1537 JFK-LHR/BSL-JFK on ST
$1539 JFK-LHR/GVA-JFK on ST
$1544 JFK-LHR/BRU-JFK on ST
$1563 JFK-LHR/DUB-BOS (booked Oct 30)
$1600+ NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA on *A
$1612 JFK-LON (booked Sep 19)
$1613 NYC-LHR on *A
$1629 JFK-BCN
$1673 EWR-AMS (booked Jun 30)
$1753 LGA-AMS on *A
$1900 RSW-LIS/CPH/LHR/OSL on *A
$1965 JFK-CDG on ST
$1986 BOS-VIE on *A (booked Sep 15)
$2025 IAH-LHR on OW/ST/*A
$2050 NYC-IST
$2115 JFK-MLA on *A?
$2120 AGS-LHR/AMS-SFO on ST
$2200-$2300 LAX/SFO/SEA-???
$2237 IAD-FCO on *A
$2344 MIA-LED on ST
$2400~ DEN-TXL on *A
$2464~ SFO-LHR
$2500-2600 LAS-LHR/CDG
$2566 SAN-AMS on ST
$2605 LAX-CDG on ST
$3000~ ORD-LHR on *A in F
$3663 SFO-LHR in F
$3666 SFO-LHR on UA in F

2012
$1050 BOS-DUB on *A
$1085 LGA-MAD on *A
$1250 JFK-LHR on VS
$1270 ORD-DUB on *A
$1659 JFK-BRU on *A/ST
$1696 AGS-LHR/AMS-JFK on *A/ST
$1754 BOS-LHR on ST/VS
$1936 LAX/SFO(?)-MAD
$1960 RDU-FCO on ST
$1977 RST-LHR on ST
$2000- AGS/BHM/CAE/CHA/GSP/SAV-LHR on ST
$2000+ LAX/SFO(?)-FCO/CDG/ATH
$2100~ MSY-OSL on ST
$2300~ SFO-LHR/FRA on *A
$2427 CMH-LHR on OW in F
$2540 JFK-IST on ST
$2571 ATL-LHR on ST
$2662 BOS-IST on ST? (booked Jul 31)
$3600 LAX-LHR on *A in F

2011
$1400 JFK-LHR/BRU/CDG on ST
$1414 JFK-BRU on OW
$1475 EWR-LHR on *A
$1491 JFK-BCN on OW
$1500- NYC-BRU/CDG/LIS/MAD/FRA/DUB/AMS/VIE/MAN/OSL/SNN/GVA/CPH/MUC on *A
$1650 EWR-FCO on *A
$1668 IAD-CDG on *A
$1700 IAH-DUB on *A
$1717 DCA-MAD on OW
$1860 CMH-MAD on *A
$1900 WAS-LHR on UA
$1907 BNA-BCN on ST
$2035 FNT-FCO on ST
$2033 BNA-FCO on ST
$2258 LAX/SAN-BRU on ST
$2285~ DEN/LAX/SFO-LHR on *A
$2297 SFO-MUC on OW
$2400 JFK-MUC on *A in F
$2916 WAS-LHR on *A in F
$3640 SFO-LHR on *A in F
$3740~ SFO-FRA/MUC on *A in F
$4000~ LAX-LHR on *A in F
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Old Nov 29, 2014, 5:27 pm
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I did BOS-ZRH last night. Maybe 2/3+ in J. I took a center section for myself. Y was packed. Whatever LX calls E+ was empty.
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Old Nov 30, 2014, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by FTstudent
Whatever LX calls E+ was empty.
LX does not offer E+... ?
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Old Nov 30, 2014, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
On Thanksgiving evening, MSP-CDG was also about a third full with revenue passengers in BE and maybe half full in coach. Even after all the nonrevs got on, there was still one open seat in BE.

MSP was really empty with only a SEA and one more AMS flight leaving. Apparently the LHR nonstop was cancelled, as was one AMS flight.
Airlines should have lowered airfare a bit to entice Y pax to splurge on J.
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Old Nov 30, 2014, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
On Thanksgiving evening, MSP-CDG was also about a third full with revenue passengers in BE and maybe half full in coach. Even after all the nonrevs got on, there was still one open seat in BE.

MSP was really empty with only a SEA and one more AMS flight leaving. Apparently the LHR nonstop was cancelled, as was one AMS flight.
How do you know who was rev and who was non rev?

(Not doubting you at all, just curious.)
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Old Nov 30, 2014, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by cfischer
BOS-ZRH is maybe 1/3 full tonight ... what they get when they keep prices up this year. Hopefully a lesson for 2016
less than 25% full, some seats must have been blocked. Even 10A, 12A were open.
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Old Nov 30, 2014, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Air Rarotonga
LX does not offer E+... ?
An incorrect deduction on my part. The first section of Y on my flight, LX's A333, was sparsely populated (rows 23-28). I couldn't really make out a difference in pitch, but assumed with the huge difference in headcount, the cabin wasn't just regular Y.
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Old Jul 11, 2015, 6:05 pm
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Anyone seen Thanksgiving fares for the upcoming 2015 Holidays yet?
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Old Jul 11, 2015, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Dieuwer
Anyone seen Thanksgiving fares for the upcoming 2015 Holidays yet?
August seems to be the time to look....

How low will pricing get this year?
My guess: $1200 East coast USA-->Europe (Ireland is usually lowest).
$1500 West coast USA-->Europe.
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Old Jul 11, 2015, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by CokeandTaco
August seems to be the time to look....

How low will pricing get this year?
My guess: $1200 East coast USA-->Europe (Ireland is usually lowest).
$1500 West coast USA-->Europe.
Would like to visit Israel during Thanksgiving. Do you think it will be included in the sale?
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Old Jul 11, 2015, 6:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Dieuwer
Would like to visit Israel during Thanksgiving. Do you think it will be included in the sale?
I have always thought of the "Thanksgiving" premium deals as being between the USA and Europe.

If Israel is your goal, have your CC ready while watching the next month or 2 and something could certainly pop up...
As a starter (baseline), ORD-TLV can be had on AA/US for ~$2100ai right now in November.
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Old Jul 11, 2015, 6:57 pm
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Originally Posted by CokeandTaco
I have always thought of the "Thanksgiving" premium deals as being between the USA and Europe.

If Israel is your goal, have your CC ready while watching the next month or 2 and something could certainly pop up...
As a starter (baseline), ORD-TLV can be had on AA/US for ~$2100ai right now in November.
I thought about Israel as a destination because El Al started flying to TLV from BOS on June 18. Maybe that makes the fares more competitive.
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Old Jul 11, 2015, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by CokeandTaco
August seems to be the time to look....

How low will pricing get this year?
My guess: $1200 East coast USA-->Europe (Ireland is usually lowest).
$1500 West coast USA-->Europe.
Hope you're right. A $1500 AF fare might be enough to get me to make a run at some better DL status, which is badly lagging this year so far.
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Old Jul 12, 2015, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by 110pgl
How do you know who was rev and who was non rev?

(Not doubting you at all, just curious.)
if you are in biz next to a non-rev, another fromY will appear, and start the conversation to the other, and where have you been, and where are you going? from there the small talk decrees to babble while the Y person hangs on until i ding for the FA to have them thrown them out.

some airlines require that non-revs dress in a tidy(? )manner.
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Old Jul 12, 2015, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by CokeandTaco
August seems to be the time to look....

How low will pricing get this year?
My guess: $1200 East coast USA-->Europe (Ireland is usually lowest).
$1500 West coast USA-->Europe.
That would be awesome. I think many felt disappointed with 2014 relative to 2013
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Old Jul 13, 2015, 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by FTstudent
That would be awesome. I think many felt disappointed with 2014 relative to 2013
Very disappointed, but the error fare of April 2014 ameliorated that.
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