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Old Oct 28, 2014, 2:19 pm
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This thread is to discuss the historically annual premium class fare sales that occur for travel (mostly TATL) during the US Thanksgiving holiday period.

FAQ

Q: When is Thanksgiving? What travel dates are covered in the Thanksgiving Day sales?
A: Thanksgiving in the United States is observed on the 4th Thursday of November.

The week of Thanksgiving and the weekend after are considered to be the busiest period for US domestic air travel due to large numbers of people traveling to spend the holiday with loved ones. As a result business travel demand, especially for international business travel, is unusually weak. This drop in demand is believed to be the origin for the Thanksgiving holiday international business class fares.

Typically these fares are offered for travel outbound from the US in the period from the Sunday before to the day after Thanksgiving. Return travel is usually valid for the day after Thanksgiving to the following Wednesday.

Q: When do the Thanksgiving fare sales start?
A: Sometime in the summer with an average start date of Aug 4.
The first reports, by year, posted on the message boards of Thanksgiving holiday sales are as follows:

2015: Jul 25**
2014: Aug 9
2013: Jun 18
2012: Jul 11
2011: Aug 8
2010: Aug 18
2009: Aug 11
2008: Jul 2
2007: Sep 22

**In 2015, on Sep 30 OW initiated a very brief 2nd round of discounted fares. It only lasted about 18 hours.

Q: How good are the Thanksgiving sales? What are some typical prices?
A: Many times the Thanksgiving airfare deals are the lowest TATL premium class fares offered the entire calendar year.

The lowest prices reported to the board each year are as follows:

Note: All prices from here on out are all-in round-trip/return prices in J unless otherwise noted.
2015: $1608 NYC-LIS on OW
2014: $1625 JFK-MAD on a combination of US/AY. Sample dates: 11/27-12/02
2013: $1400~ NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN on UA/DL/AF/KL
2012: $854 EWR-DUB on US
2011: $1380 NYC-DUB on *A
2010: $1272 EWR-LHR on CO
2009: $1309 EWR-OSL on CO
2008: $1560 PIT-FRA on AA
2007: $1100~ EWR-ZRH on UA


Some other notable deals reported:

2015
$1795 NYC-LIS on ST

2014
$1700 JFK-ARN on AY
$1800 JFK-BCN/MAD on ST/OW
$1940 MIA-MAD/MAD-JFK on OW/*A
$1950 MCI-MAD/BCN on OW
$2050 EWR-OSL/ARN on *A
$2000-$2100 BOS-MAD/ARN
$2074-$2120 MIA-MAD/BCN on ST/OW/*A
$2088 BOS-MAD
$2100 NYC-OSL on ST
$2157 DFW-MAD on OW
$2800 LAX/SFO-MAD/BCN

2013
$1417 JFK-LHR/DUB-JFK on ST
$1444 PHL-FRA/MUC on US
$1448 JFK-LHR/LIS-JFK on ST
$1486 EWR-BRU on *A (+9W)
$1500 JFK-LHR on VS
$1514 JFK-LHR/BCN-JFK on ST
$1519 JFK-LHR/MAD-JFK on ST
$1537 JFK-LHR/BSL-JFK on ST
$1539 JFK-LHR/GVA-JFK on ST
$1544 JFK-LHR/BRU-JFK on ST
$1563 JFK-LHR/DUB-BOS (booked Oct 30)
$1600+ NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA on *A
$1612 JFK-LON (booked Sep 19)
$1613 NYC-LHR on *A
$1629 JFK-BCN
$1673 EWR-AMS (booked Jun 30)
$1753 LGA-AMS on *A
$1900 RSW-LIS/CPH/LHR/OSL on *A
$1965 JFK-CDG on ST
$1986 BOS-VIE on *A (booked Sep 15)
$2025 IAH-LHR on OW/ST/*A
$2050 NYC-IST
$2115 JFK-MLA on *A?
$2120 AGS-LHR/AMS-SFO on ST
$2200-$2300 LAX/SFO/SEA-???
$2237 IAD-FCO on *A
$2344 MIA-LED on ST
$2400~ DEN-TXL on *A
$2464~ SFO-LHR
$2500-2600 LAS-LHR/CDG
$2566 SAN-AMS on ST
$2605 LAX-CDG on ST
$3000~ ORD-LHR on *A in F
$3663 SFO-LHR in F
$3666 SFO-LHR on UA in F

2012
$1050 BOS-DUB on *A
$1085 LGA-MAD on *A
$1250 JFK-LHR on VS
$1270 ORD-DUB on *A
$1659 JFK-BRU on *A/ST
$1696 AGS-LHR/AMS-JFK on *A/ST
$1754 BOS-LHR on ST/VS
$1936 LAX/SFO(?)-MAD
$1960 RDU-FCO on ST
$1977 RST-LHR on ST
$2000- AGS/BHM/CAE/CHA/GSP/SAV-LHR on ST
$2000+ LAX/SFO(?)-FCO/CDG/ATH
$2100~ MSY-OSL on ST
$2300~ SFO-LHR/FRA on *A
$2427 CMH-LHR on OW in F
$2540 JFK-IST on ST
$2571 ATL-LHR on ST
$2662 BOS-IST on ST? (booked Jul 31)
$3600 LAX-LHR on *A in F

2011
$1400 JFK-LHR/BRU/CDG on ST
$1414 JFK-BRU on OW
$1475 EWR-LHR on *A
$1491 JFK-BCN on OW
$1500- NYC-BRU/CDG/LIS/MAD/FRA/DUB/AMS/VIE/MAN/OSL/SNN/GVA/CPH/MUC on *A
$1650 EWR-FCO on *A
$1668 IAD-CDG on *A
$1700 IAH-DUB on *A
$1717 DCA-MAD on OW
$1860 CMH-MAD on *A
$1900 WAS-LHR on UA
$1907 BNA-BCN on ST
$2035 FNT-FCO on ST
$2033 BNA-FCO on ST
$2258 LAX/SAN-BRU on ST
$2285~ DEN/LAX/SFO-LHR on *A
$2297 SFO-MUC on OW
$2400 JFK-MUC on *A in F
$2916 WAS-LHR on *A in F
$3640 SFO-LHR on *A in F
$3740~ SFO-FRA/MUC on *A in F
$4000~ LAX-LHR on *A in F
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Thanksgiving premium fare discussion

Old Oct 4, 2014, 3:17 pm
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Is anyone tracking which flights? It would be nice to fly lay flat on domestic routes

Originally Posted by Sykes
For what it's worth, United seems to be redeploying a lot of international capacity on domestic routes for the Thanksgiving travel period ... or at least more than is usual for that weekend. There are a number of domestic 777, 767, and 787 routes that aren't normally on the schedule. I still think that we'll get a sale, but it feels like United, at least, is taking aggressive steps to manage capacity during that period.
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Old Oct 7, 2014, 2:08 am
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DL matches OSLO deals from NYC

It appears Delta has matched on the NYC -> OSL route during Thanksgiving. ~$2100 in Business Class
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Old Oct 7, 2014, 6:32 am
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JFK-OSL/HEL is a pretty great deal BA F for $1800.
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Old Oct 7, 2014, 6:40 pm
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Originally Posted by tangel
JFK-OSL/HEL is a pretty great deal BA F for $1800.
It sure is! But, we will see if you really are seated in F on the BA transatlantic flight. I know the big O says you will be - but I have my doubts. I could not get the seat map to display when I was on the big O earlier today. BA is quoting a fare in the $2500 range for F (still a really good deal IMO), I must admit I did not look at the US Air site.

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Old Oct 7, 2014, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by RobertH
It sure is! But, we will see if you really are seated in F on the BA transatlantic flight. I know the big O says you will be - but I have my doubts. I could not get the seat map to display when I was on the big O earlier today. BA is quoting a fare in the $2500 range for F (still a really good deal IMO, I must admit I did not look at the US Air site.
If you booked the right fare, it's F. I verified. Unfortunately, there is no way for us to know for sure if you booked the right thing on O.
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Old Oct 7, 2014, 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by RobertH
It sure is! But, we will see if you really are seated in F on the BA transatlantic flight. I know the big O says you will be - but I have my doubts. I could not get the seat map to display when I was on the big O earlier today. BA is quoting a fare in the $2500 range for F (still a really good deal IMO, I must admit I did not look at the US Air site.
I've booked this fare.

usair.com says First Class and shows a ticket number.

ba.com says First Class, A fares, lets me select seats, provides details on the Concorde lounge, and shows a link to book a spa treatment at the lounge.

I don't have the slightest doubt that I'm confirmed in F.
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Old Oct 7, 2014, 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Pat+
I've booked this fare.

usair.com says First Class and shows a ticket number.

ba.com says First Class, A fares, lets me select seats, provides details on the Concorde lounge, and shows a link to book a spa treatment at the lounge.

I don't have the slightest doubt that I'm confirmed in F.
I do hope you actually FLY in F. Please tell us after the 27th. By the way, I just checked again on the BA website - it looks like F fares are in the $5000 range on those dates IF booked on ba.com. I just hope BA doesn't say a mistake was been made during the booking process and BA didn't make the mistake so you get to fly in ??.
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Old Oct 7, 2014, 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by RobertH
I do hope you actually FLY in F. Please tell us after the 27th. By the way, I just checked again on the BA website - it looks like F fares are in the $5000 range on those dates IF booked on ba.com.
The fare requires ticketing on US Airways--BA does not sell it directly. As a travel agent who has direct access to the airline booking system, I am 100% sure that I will travel on F (assuming a) they don't cancel the ticket before I travel, and b) I actually choose to travel on the ticket--I'm still on the fence as I don't place a meaningful premium on BA over J). I can't speak, however, for anyone else's tickets.

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Old Oct 7, 2014, 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by RobertH
I do hope you actually FLY in F. Please tell us after the 27th. By the way, I just checked again on the BA website - it looks like F fares are in the $5000 range on those dates IF booked on ba.com. I just hope BA doesn't say a mistake was been made during the booking process and BA didn't make the mistake so you get to fly in ??.
Your skepticism is awkward. Have you never booked a mistake fare? They do get cancelled occasionally, in which case you know about it plenty early. I'm not rushing to get hotels, etc. (although in this specific instance DOT protection should apply.) Once you're at the airport, the likelihood of being downgraded is pretty darn close to zero. The fare rules do call out first class very explicitly.
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Old Oct 8, 2014, 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by Pat+
Your skepticism is awkward. Have you never booked a mistake fare? They do get cancelled occasionally, in which case you know about it plenty early. I'm not rushing to get hotels, etc. (although in this specific instance DOT protection should apply.) Once you're at the airport, the likelihood of being downgraded is pretty darn close to zero. The fare rules do call out first class very explicitly.
You are correct - I am skeptical. When BA realizes they have no seats left to sell in F on those flights I think they will look into it and probably figure out what happened. If that happens, it will be interesting to see what BA does. I suppose it comes down to the number of tickets sold at the "mistake" price. If it is only a few, BA may decide just to not worry about it. If it is in the thousands (as was the case with the BA tickets for $40 from the USA to India back in ? they might cancel which I seem to remember they did - granted with lots of notice.) I do hope the people who bought BA F tickets do indeed get to fly on BA in F. I guess we will all have to wait and see what happens.
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Old Oct 8, 2014, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by Pat+
I've booked this fare.

usair.com says First Class and shows a ticket number.

ba.com says First Class, A fares, lets me select seats, provides details on the Concorde lounge, and shows a link to book a spa treatment at the lounge.

I don't have the slightest doubt that I'm confirmed in F.


Same experience here, F showing on US, BA, and AA
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Old Oct 9, 2014, 5:48 am
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so what site did you use to book these? I'm somewhat new to this forum's lingo and not sure if "the big O" and "O" refers to Orbitz or something else. I looked for Nov 24-29 and didn't find anything a few days ago.
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Old Oct 9, 2014, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by rmc1
so what site did you use to book these? I'm somewhat new to this forum's lingo and not sure if "the big O" and "O" refers to Orbitz or something else. I looked for Nov 24-29 and didn't find anything a few days ago.
Yep, Big O is Orbitz.
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Old Oct 17, 2014, 12:11 pm
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I guess no joy this thanksgiving?

It's getting kind of late and still no real bargain thanksgiving business class fares to europe this year. Looks like the airline mergers are working great for the average consumer!
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Old Oct 17, 2014, 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by fedupwithAC
It's getting kind of late and still no real bargain thanksgiving business class fares to europe this year. Looks like the airline mergers are working great for the average consumer!
yup, no joy this year. There some o.k. fares in the $2k range but these are the same fares they have for x-mas and the summer ... no extra Thanksgiving discount anymore
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