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Old Oct 28, 2014, 2:19 pm
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This thread is to discuss the historically annual premium class fare sales that occur for travel (mostly TATL) during the US Thanksgiving holiday period.

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Q: When is Thanksgiving? What travel dates are covered in the Thanksgiving Day sales?
A: Thanksgiving in the United States is observed on the 4th Thursday of November.

The week of Thanksgiving and the weekend after are considered to be the busiest period for US domestic air travel due to large numbers of people traveling to spend the holiday with loved ones. As a result business travel demand, especially for international business travel, is unusually weak. This drop in demand is believed to be the origin for the Thanksgiving holiday international business class fares.

Typically these fares are offered for travel outbound from the US in the period from the Sunday before to the day after Thanksgiving. Return travel is usually valid for the day after Thanksgiving to the following Wednesday.

Q: When do the Thanksgiving fare sales start?
A: Sometime in the summer with an average start date of Aug 4.
The first reports, by year, posted on the message boards of Thanksgiving holiday sales are as follows:

2015: Jul 25**
2014: Aug 9
2013: Jun 18
2012: Jul 11
2011: Aug 8
2010: Aug 18
2009: Aug 11
2008: Jul 2
2007: Sep 22

**In 2015, on Sep 30 OW initiated a very brief 2nd round of discounted fares. It only lasted about 18 hours.

Q: How good are the Thanksgiving sales? What are some typical prices?
A: Many times the Thanksgiving airfare deals are the lowest TATL premium class fares offered the entire calendar year.

The lowest prices reported to the board each year are as follows:

Note: All prices from here on out are all-in round-trip/return prices in J unless otherwise noted.
2015: $1608 NYC-LIS on OW
2014: $1625 JFK-MAD on a combination of US/AY. Sample dates: 11/27-12/02
2013: $1400~ NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN on UA/DL/AF/KL
2012: $854 EWR-DUB on US
2011: $1380 NYC-DUB on *A
2010: $1272 EWR-LHR on CO
2009: $1309 EWR-OSL on CO
2008: $1560 PIT-FRA on AA
2007: $1100~ EWR-ZRH on UA


Some other notable deals reported:

2015
$1795 NYC-LIS on ST

2014
$1700 JFK-ARN on AY
$1800 JFK-BCN/MAD on ST/OW
$1940 MIA-MAD/MAD-JFK on OW/*A
$1950 MCI-MAD/BCN on OW
$2050 EWR-OSL/ARN on *A
$2000-$2100 BOS-MAD/ARN
$2074-$2120 MIA-MAD/BCN on ST/OW/*A
$2088 BOS-MAD
$2100 NYC-OSL on ST
$2157 DFW-MAD on OW
$2800 LAX/SFO-MAD/BCN

2013
$1417 JFK-LHR/DUB-JFK on ST
$1444 PHL-FRA/MUC on US
$1448 JFK-LHR/LIS-JFK on ST
$1486 EWR-BRU on *A (+9W)
$1500 JFK-LHR on VS
$1514 JFK-LHR/BCN-JFK on ST
$1519 JFK-LHR/MAD-JFK on ST
$1537 JFK-LHR/BSL-JFK on ST
$1539 JFK-LHR/GVA-JFK on ST
$1544 JFK-LHR/BRU-JFK on ST
$1563 JFK-LHR/DUB-BOS (booked Oct 30)
$1600+ NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA on *A
$1612 JFK-LON (booked Sep 19)
$1613 NYC-LHR on *A
$1629 JFK-BCN
$1673 EWR-AMS (booked Jun 30)
$1753 LGA-AMS on *A
$1900 RSW-LIS/CPH/LHR/OSL on *A
$1965 JFK-CDG on ST
$1986 BOS-VIE on *A (booked Sep 15)
$2025 IAH-LHR on OW/ST/*A
$2050 NYC-IST
$2115 JFK-MLA on *A?
$2120 AGS-LHR/AMS-SFO on ST
$2200-$2300 LAX/SFO/SEA-???
$2237 IAD-FCO on *A
$2344 MIA-LED on ST
$2400~ DEN-TXL on *A
$2464~ SFO-LHR
$2500-2600 LAS-LHR/CDG
$2566 SAN-AMS on ST
$2605 LAX-CDG on ST
$3000~ ORD-LHR on *A in F
$3663 SFO-LHR in F
$3666 SFO-LHR on UA in F

2012
$1050 BOS-DUB on *A
$1085 LGA-MAD on *A
$1250 JFK-LHR on VS
$1270 ORD-DUB on *A
$1659 JFK-BRU on *A/ST
$1696 AGS-LHR/AMS-JFK on *A/ST
$1754 BOS-LHR on ST/VS
$1936 LAX/SFO(?)-MAD
$1960 RDU-FCO on ST
$1977 RST-LHR on ST
$2000- AGS/BHM/CAE/CHA/GSP/SAV-LHR on ST
$2000+ LAX/SFO(?)-FCO/CDG/ATH
$2100~ MSY-OSL on ST
$2300~ SFO-LHR/FRA on *A
$2427 CMH-LHR on OW in F
$2540 JFK-IST on ST
$2571 ATL-LHR on ST
$2662 BOS-IST on ST? (booked Jul 31)
$3600 LAX-LHR on *A in F

2011
$1400 JFK-LHR/BRU/CDG on ST
$1414 JFK-BRU on OW
$1475 EWR-LHR on *A
$1491 JFK-BCN on OW
$1500- NYC-BRU/CDG/LIS/MAD/FRA/DUB/AMS/VIE/MAN/OSL/SNN/GVA/CPH/MUC on *A
$1650 EWR-FCO on *A
$1668 IAD-CDG on *A
$1700 IAH-DUB on *A
$1717 DCA-MAD on OW
$1860 CMH-MAD on *A
$1900 WAS-LHR on UA
$1907 BNA-BCN on ST
$2035 FNT-FCO on ST
$2033 BNA-FCO on ST
$2258 LAX/SAN-BRU on ST
$2285~ DEN/LAX/SFO-LHR on *A
$2297 SFO-MUC on OW
$2400 JFK-MUC on *A in F
$2916 WAS-LHR on *A in F
$3640 SFO-LHR on *A in F
$3740~ SFO-FRA/MUC on *A in F
$4000~ LAX-LHR on *A in F
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Thanksgiving premium fare discussion

Old Aug 9, 2014, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by dieuwer2
What do you mean "just $500 less than x-mas"?
the std x-mas fares are $2.5k and this year they have been mostly advertising x-mas = Thxgiving. Some airlines have a$2k fare for both now (which is cheap for x-mas) but some still have $2k for thxgiving and $2.5k for x-mas.
Don't think this will incentivize pax enough to make another trip for thxgiving is they charge $2k.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
My guess is this will be coming down further as planes remain empty.
How do you know planes are empty? I just looked at the seat maps of the example DL itinerary I posted and it seems 40% of the J seats are taken.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by dieuwer2
How do you know planes are empty? I just looked at the seat maps of the example DL itinerary I posted and it seems 40% of the J seats are taken.
depending on the route. I have been looking at thxgiving options and I see lots of empty planes of course realizing that seat maps don't show the actual load. Why would this year be any different than last year? Business travel picked up in 2014 but that is exactly what we don't have around thxgiving. My guess is they will come down further; FRA @ $1700 or so.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
depending on the route. I have been looking at thxgiving options and I see lots of empty planes of course realizing that seat maps don't show the actual load. Why would this year be any different than last year? Business travel picked up in 2014 but that is exactly what we don't have around thxgiving. My guess is they will come down further; FRA @ $1700 or so.
Fair enough. I am looking to go to LIS this year. Airfare seems to be around $2200 ai. Prefer BA. You think it will drop <<$2K?
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 4:25 pm
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I've set up alerts for Thanksgiving week (Nov 24-29) from NYC for several European cities (LON, PAR, BER, PRG, HEL, MAD, BUD, LIS, MAN) and the first one that dropped below $2k was Madrid this morning at around $1820 from NYC.

I'm with cfischer and want something around $1500 so wondering if we'll go anywhere this year. I started looking at packages to Iceland [in coach ] but still hoping something pops up.

I'm actually doing it for a vacation and not a MR so don't even care what carrier as long as it's lie flat.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
depending on the route. I have been looking at thxgiving options and I see lots of empty planes of course realizing that seat maps don't show the actual load. Why would this year be any different than last year? Business travel picked up in 2014 but that is exactly what we don't have around thxgiving. My guess is they will come down further; FRA @ $1700 or so.
For what it's worth, United seems to be redeploying a lot of international capacity on domestic routes for the Thanksgiving travel period ... or at least more than is usual for that weekend. There are a number of domestic 777, 767, and 787 routes that aren't normally on the schedule. I still think that we'll get a sale, but it feels like United, at least, is taking aggressive steps to manage capacity during that period.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Sykes
For what it's worth, United seems to be redeploying a lot of international capacity on domestic routes for the Thanksgiving travel period ... or at least more than is usual for that weekend. There are a number of domestic 777, 767, and 787 routes that aren't normally on the schedule. I still think that we'll get a sale, but it feels like United, at least, is taking aggressive steps to manage capacity during that period.
I think the question is what the European carriers will do. Considering the worsening state of their economy, the problems with Russia and new entrants like TK (at least at BOS), their loads must be hurting.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by dieuwer2
I think the question is what the European carriers will do. Considering the worsening state of their economy, the problems with Russia and new entrants like TK (at least at BOS), their loads must be hurting.
And the continued growth of EK, EY, and QR in the home markets of those European carriers. EK/EY/QR are less of a threat to North American carriers due to distance.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by dieuwer2
I think the question is what the European carriers will do. Considering the worsening state of their economy, the problems with Russia and new entrants like TK (at least at BOS), their loads must be hurting.
Hmmm... not really (at least for the moment).
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by rmc1
I've set up alerts for Thanksgiving week (Nov 24-29) from NYC for several European cities (LON, PAR, BER, PRG, HEL, MAD, BUD, LIS, MAN) and the first one that dropped below $2k was Madrid this morning at around $1820 from NYC.
Yes, NYC-MAD/BCN dropped this morning to about $1800ai. I was actually searching this morning and noticed the fares dropping.

Actually a lot of ex-US fares to MAD/BCN did the same. MIA/FLL/DFW > MAD/BCN are at $2300-$2400ai. LAX/SFO > MAD/BCN are about $2800.

Not great, but if you get creative with routing you can get down to 12 or 13 cpEQM/cpMQM.

For SkyTeam flyers, try routing through FCO.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 5:50 pm
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Just for historical comparisons of when good Thanksgiving sales began:

In 2013, I purchased on Jun 20 (East Coast>Europe>West Coast for $2200)
In 2012, I purchased on Jul 21 (East Coast>Europe>NYC for $1700)
In 2011, I purchased on Nov 10 (EastCoast>Europe>East Coast $2200)
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I booked my Thanksgiving 2013 fare on September 19th. JFK-YYZ-LHR//LCY-SNN-JFK. Rerouted due to weather to become EWR-LHR//LCY-SNN-JFK. Set me back $1611.80.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 7:07 pm
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Looks like we have been given a discussion thread.

Has anything in F ever come down to a good level over Thanksgiving? Hoping something closer to $3k but I'm guessing that is unlikely. Anything under $4k occur recently?
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 8:00 pm
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The lowest "Thanksgiving" fare out of AUS, for me, was around $1500 on CO and that was to OSL. For the last few years, the price has been going up and we've upgraded a coach leg and upgraded a J leg - still didn't pay less than $1600 pp. So I will call BS on $1500 fares - unless they are from NYC. Expect $2K range and you'll be ok.

Regardless, I'd love to be proven wrong with some $1500 J fares from anywhere. I don't think that will happen though.
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I didn't see Thanksgiving 2013 fares show up, really, until the end of August. I booked on 10/30, JFK-ATL-DTW-LHR//DUB-ATL-BOS for $1563.
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