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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Nov 6, 2013, 8:13 am
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....and as further data points, here's some info on East coast DL fares to SIN:

DL: JFK-SFO-NRT-SIN for $1051 ~22,000 miles at 4.8 CPM

Also available:
DL: JFK-SFO-NRT-HKG for $914 ~19,000 miles at 4.8 CPM

(better mileage and CPM are probably possible with more involved routings; i.e. through ATL or MSP)

Last edited by pfbloom; Nov 6, 2013 at 9:45 am Reason: Corrected for SIN, plus HKG
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Old Nov 6, 2013, 8:36 am
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Thanks for your post and info

Originally Posted by Dalat767
Thanks, Csfing1. Here is another option from LAX,
LAX departures:
$1071.40 ai 25,274 MQMs LAX JFK MSP NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX Nov 15-20. This itinerary requires a long layover in MSP.

I don't mean to steal your thunder Csfing1.
Thanks for the posting, how did you make the reservation or get the itinerary? If anyone finds other MR, please post. Have no thunder to steal. Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Nov 6, 2013, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
If my comments about flu shots help even one person avoid the getting the flu, my objective is accomplished and of course if it helps more avoid the flu, even better!
While this is not a medical forum, I am squarely with Csfing1 on this. This is a travel forum, and sadly, the flu is a travel issue.

During the 2009 swine flu pandemic, I caught the flu on a flight. I spent two weeks in isolation while doctors and the state epidemiologist attempted to determine what was making me ill, further complicated by an initial faulty test. My fever regularly spiked to 105-106F until I was correctly diagnosed and successfully treated.

It is easy to say "it's just the flu" until it hits you.
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Old Nov 6, 2013, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Thanks for the posting, how did you make the reservation or get the itinerary? If anyone finds other MR, please post. Have no thunder to steal. Happy Travels! Cheers!
Here is the itinerary from DL.com.
LAX-JFK DL1262 11/15
JFK-MSP DL2922 11/16
MSP-SIN DL621 11/17
SIN-JFK DL622/DL172 11/20
JFK-LAX DL477 11/20
A total is $1071.40. Happy Travels!
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Old Nov 6, 2013, 9:57 am
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Thanks Much, good price!

[QUOTE=Dalat767;21738293]Here is the itinerary from DL.com.
LAX-JFK DL1262 11/15
JFK-MSP DL2922 11/16
MSP-SIN DL621 11/17
SIN-JFK DL622/DL172 11/20
JFK-LAX DL477 11/20
A total is $1071.40. Happy Travels![/

Thanks very much for your work and effort, great price!

Get your flu shots! Note earlier comments by ecaarch in post 228! Prevention is always better than a cure! Happy Travels. Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Nov 6, 2013 at 1:35 pm Reason: Giving number for post 228
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Old Nov 6, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Thanks for your post!

Originally Posted by pfbloom
....and as further data points, here's some info on East coast DL fares to SIN:

DL: JFK-SFO-NRT-SIN for $1051 ~22,000 miles at 4.8 CPM

Also available:
DL: JFK-SFO-NRT-HKG for $914 ~19,000 miles at 4.8 CPM

(better mileage and CPM are probably possible with more involved routings; i.e. through ATL or MSP)
Flights from JFK are not full and they have a 747 to fill so that helps to keep prices down, great information. All posts for MR are appreciated, have usually worked with SIN as that gives the most miles but the cpm cost is what makes your MR worth time and cost. Happy travels! Get your flu shots! Cheers!
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Old Nov 10, 2013, 3:23 am
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MR Nov 11-14 LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

Less than 44 hrs till MR - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. If anyone is on this run, let me know. It is still avail for $1316.30 ai 25,096 MQM at 5.24 cpm, not a good price but fair for this late date. Looks like UG poss on 9:30 pm flight is very remote and much better on 11:30 pm flight to JFK so will see if it is poss to change to later flight and that will shorten layover in JFK from 7 to 5 hrs if it is poss. Will see how it works out with DM desk.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Nov 11, 2013, 9:56 am
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Start of the MR - Repositioning

Originally Posted by Csfing1
Less than 44 hrs till MR - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. If anyone is on this run, let me know. It is still avail for $1316.30 ai 25,096 MQM at 5.24 cpm, not a good price but fair for this late date. Looks like UG poss on 9:30 pm flight is very remote and much better on 11:30 pm flight to JFK so will see if it is poss to change to later flight and that will shorten layover in JFK from 7 to 5 hrs if it is poss. Will see how it works out with DM desk.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
Now off to LAX, get to spend some time with family and then begin tonight. Have a wonderful week! Get your flu shots! If you don't think it makes a difference, read post 128 by ecaarch! Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Nov 11, 2013, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Now off to LAX, get to spend some time with family and then begin tonight. Have a wonderful week! Get your flu shots! If you don't think it makes a difference, read post 128 by ecaarch! Happy Travels! Cheers!
Thanks for keeping this fare updated Csfing1!

Hope you have a good trip and looking forward to comments or TR of your travels or time in SIN...
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Old Nov 11, 2013, 5:06 pm
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Smile Need a Delta run out of ATL for 28,777 MQM

Originally Posted by Csfing1
The run is available from ATL but the prices are much higher $1480+ or higher! Take a repositioning flight to LAX or SFO and prices are better but cost of those flights will definitely run up your cpm cost. How many miles do you need?

Happy Travels! Cheers!
Hello, new to the mileage run game. Checking this out for my boss who is Diamond this year and wants to maintain status. I spoke with Delta today and they said the last two years they offered an option to purchase up to 10,000 MQM. They can't guarentee it will be offered this year but they think likely. Even purchasing 10K MQM and with his 30K MQM on Amex Reserve Card need additional 28,777 MQM to reach Diamond. Need help planning a mileage run.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
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Old Nov 11, 2013, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by pfbloom
Thanks for keeping this fare updated Csfing1!

Hope you have a good trip and looking forward to comments or TR of your travels or time in SIN...
Well, it's off to a great start thanks to the wonderful and helpful girls at the DM desk, Carol and her supervisor who made it work. It pays to pray, be DM and be polite and to have some helpful service oriented girls and supervisor who handle our requests and make things happen. The request was a later dep at 1130 pm rather than 930 pm which would give me more time with my family and less time at JFK shortening the layover by 2 hrs. Space was available and they made it work. Thanks to The Lord, Carol and her supervisor and Delta who made it possible.

The opportunity for UG will be better as well as FC was completely full on the 930 pm flight. Carol noted that I got a very good fare $780 and I wasn't spending much time in SIN, about 4.5 hrs to be more precise. Are you on a MR? YES! She also reads Flyer Talk, that is how they know what is happening and what you are saying about DL.

By the end of this year I will stii be DM and my wife will remain PM. She agrees it is worth a few MR as most of the time in US she gets her UG. Next year we are thinking about a RTW in business class and also have trips to Australia, NZ China and possibly Rumania. If any of you are sick and tired of being sick and tired and are interested in a Wellness Program in SIN, let us know as we are doing one this Dec and probably next year as well. Great destination for MR and improve your health as well if you come to our program.

For DL Flyers, read Delta Points by Rene. Interesting, informative, tips and some great MR as well. Used one of his tips from SMF PHL to make sure my wife kept her PM. Advantage of US MR is that if you plan them correctly you will get UG for most while intl ones won't be without an M class fare which is considerably higher, 2-4x, than the x or v fares for most MR, try to keep your cpm cost <3.5 cpm. Lower is better in this case!

If anyone will be at JFK tomorrow from 8-11 am, let me know, will probably be at the SC for most of the time between flights but will do some walking for exercise as well.

Get your flu shots! Happy Travels! Cheers!.

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Old Nov 11, 2013, 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by pjaysam
Hello, new to the mileage run game. Checking this out for my boss who is Diamond this year and wants to maintain status. I spoke with Delta today and they said the last two years they offered an option to purchase up to 10,000 MQM. They can't guarentee it will be offered this year but they think likely. Even purchasing 10K MQM and with his 30K MQM on Amex Reserve Card need additional 28,777 MQM to reach Diamond. Need help planning a mileage run.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
If he is on the East coast take a positioning flight to LAX or SFO and go LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX which is worth 25,096 MQM if in economy or if from SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO that is worth 25,318 MQM. From ATL he should be able to get the last 3500 MQM with a positioning flight to LAX or SFO plus the MR to SIN. If he is willing to pay for FC or business class he can pick up the miles faster but the cost will be higher.

Hope this info helps.

Get your flu shots! Happy travels! Cheers!

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Old Nov 11, 2013, 11:50 pm
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Thank You Carol, DL DM Desk

More time with family, PreChk at security makes it a breeze, from drop off Thru security in less than 5 min. Check SC what number is on UG list. Was 2 at home with at least 5 spaces left. "You have it" and new BP printed, so definitely the change was worth it with help of Carol at the DM Desk. Thank you, Carol!! Boarding soon. Get your Flu shots. Happy Travels! Cheers!
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You may consider the Trip Report forum for some of your missive.
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Old Nov 12, 2013, 9:42 am
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Waiting for boarding to finish. Not as good as the lie flat seats on the 767 with aisle access for all seats but the next best and definitely better than the EC where I would have been on the earlier flight. Will need all the rest I can get as the marathon begins LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX in 67.5 hrs. Looking forward to the journey as this isn't the first and not the last time either. More from JFK later.

JFK Snowing on arrival, SC great, spacious and not crowded as many of thm are but outside terrace closed due to weather. Showers available if desired. Walking tour of terminal, flights departing as usual. Emirates 380 will be leaving sometime this am, my flight not till 1240 pm.

Flight times JFK NRT 13:55. 2:20 layover in NRT
NRT SIN 6:45. 4:20 layover in SIN

Boarding for NRT. Have a great day. Get your Flu shot Happy Travels! Cheers!
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