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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!

Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Dec 11, 2013, 7:10 pm
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Found a similar routes from PVG to SJU in late Apr. but it's gone fast.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 7:27 pm
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well, i thought Csfing was crazy for doing these, but with AS75K in my sights for next year i may need to do one of these runs if the fares stay reasonable into Q2-3 timeframe. no MQ$ makes me a happy dude.
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Old Dec 14, 2013, 3:18 am
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Home Run Sun Dec 15 - SIN NRT ATL SMF

Returning home tomorrow. If anyone is at any of airports along the way, would be happy to meet you. Let us know. Only 2 more flights this year. One for my wife to make 75,000 and PM. Flight on AS SMF SEA on Dec 17. Will have about 4-5 hrs there, was hoping to get my GOES interview during that time but no appointments available than or on Dec 15 in ATL which is a Sun.

Will have most time in ATL from 1330 to 1930 and will probably be at SC most of time. If you are interested in meeting there send me a PM with your CP and I can call you once we clear immigration/customs etc.

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
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Old Dec 14, 2013, 10:31 pm
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Post from NRT

Flight uneventful, check in at SIN Smooth and efficient. Knew that we had 5 bags to check and allowance is 4 unless business class which we are not. Checked with office in SIN and was told that they didn't have authority to do anything but to ask at check in. Request made politely, not demanding acknowledging fact that limit was 4 and that we had 5. Agent was very polite and stated that since we were good customers that he could do that for us and we thanked him and wished him a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and were on our way. The staff has been super helpful since my wife has had to use a wheelchair and can't walk long distances. With the longest line that I have ever seen for security in NRT CSR politely says excuse me and heads to the front of the line. We are very grateful for their assistance and kindness at every stop.

We are currently in SC at NRT and will leave in a few min.

Happy Travels. Cheers! Get your Flu shot!
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Old Dec 15, 2013, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Bob, thanks very much for you post and info and taking the time to read!
That is true for SM but if you calculate cpm for MQM the cost is much higher. The fares that I post the cpm cost is based on MQM.

This is what I was able get this am SIN time before DL.com wouldn't give me any more fares.

LAX departures LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6 $1174.55 ai 25,096 MQM 4.68 cpm
Feb 10-13 1293.30 ai 25,096 MQM 5.15 cpm
Feb 17-20, 24-27 $1169.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.66 cpm
Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20 $1174.55 ai 25,096 MQM 4.68 cpm
Mar 24-27 $1169.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.65 cpm

SMF Departures SMF JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SMF
Jan 27-30 $1282.30 ai 25,974 MQM 4.94 cpm
Feb 3-6 $1224.90 ai 25,852 MQM 4.74 cpm SMF ATL JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK ATL SMF

SFO Departure SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6 $1201.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.74 cpm
Feb 10-13 $1276.30 ai 25,318 MQM 5.04 cpm
Feb 17-20 $1274.20 ai 25,318 MQM 5.03 cpm
Feb 24-27 $1201.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.74 cpm
Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27 $1207.75 ai 25,318 MQM 4.77 cpm

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
Awesome, thanks! Sorry about the confusion. Still might make a ex-JFK run.

FYI there are several same-day turns ex-NYC that are a back-breaking $1,012 for 22,446mi (4.5 cpm) (bouncing around the East coast, e.g. EWR-DTW-LAX-NRT-SIN and back)

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Old Dec 15, 2013, 5:45 pm
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Report from ATL

Originally Posted by BobRoss
Awesome, thanks! Sorry about the confusion. Still might make a ex-JFK run.

FYI there are several same-day turns ex-NYC that are a back-breaking $1,012 for 22,446mi (4.5 cpm) (bouncing around the East coast, e.g. EWR-DTW-LAX-NRT-SIN and back)
Bob, Thanks for your post, price is good for this time of year. If you need the miles, go for it and be sure to give a report of your trip!

SIN NRT - FT 5:51 NRT ATL - FT 11:47 Only 4:37 of FT ATL SMF. Plane full NRT ATL. CSR waiting with WC as you exit plane. No wait to clear immigration, 5 min wait for bags to clear customs. CSR was very helpful and attentive. Always enjoy having my wife travel with me, especially on longer trips and she doesn't complain about our flying around the zoo to increase MQM. SC in T-F excellent as usual, showers nice after long flight, they have a Sky Porch but didn't go out as weather too cool today. Nice to be back in US, enjoy traveling but is always good to come home.

This trip will be worth 21,506 MQM and 48,388 SM with DM bonus.

Only two more trips this year, all short, SMF LAX and SMF SEA.

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!

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Old Dec 16, 2013, 10:23 pm
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End of MR report and Fares for LAX and SFO

Last leg ATL SMF short 4:39 with an empty seat between us, good to be home. Last MR of the year tomorrow SMF SEA on AS, out and back.

Summary for those who like details, others please skip

SMF SIN Dec 4-15

Dec 4 DL 4670 SMF LAX 1:03:51.91 0936 1040 all local times
Dec 4 DL 283 LAX NRT 11:04:02.58 1225 1644
Dec 5 DL 621 NRT SIN 07:02:52.78 1900 0103
Dec 15 DL 622 SIN NRT 05:51:54.03 0610 1302
Dec 15 DL 296 NRT ATL 11:47:05.28 1600 1349
Dec 15 DL 736 ATL SMF 4:39:26.91 2000 2140

Total Flight time 41:30

Fares as of Dec 16
LAX Departures LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM $1169.20 at 4.66 cpm, best price, cpm
For following dates: Jan 20-23, 27-30, February 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, 31-Apr 3

SFO Departures SFO JFK, NRT, SIN, NRT, JFK SFO
$1201.20 25,318 MQM 4.74 cpm for Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6, 24-27
$1212.83 4.79 cpm Feb 17-20, Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 31-Apr 3

Other dates higher, very difficult to get multi city fares for SMF thru ATL or JFK. They are generally higher if I can get them. If I get any worth posting, will do so.

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
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Old Dec 17, 2013, 4:30 pm
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Fares for SMF for Dec 17

SMF Departures SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF 24,542 MQM
$1177.87 4.80 cpm Feb 3-5, 10-13, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1169.20 4.76 cpm Mar 24-27, 31- Apr 3
$1186.10 4.90 cpm Feb 17-20

Earlier and later dates higher.

Can probably get similar dates from JFK and ATL but won't get as many MQM and price in cpm may be higher!

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!

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Old Dec 22, 2013, 12:17 pm
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All

Thanks for all your posts and comments: Elichante, Unavaca, ScatterX, havepointswilltravel, milesnmilesaway, 34inAustin, 1Banker, Uncle Lars, UKBritt, Dalat767, Bartmas777, eCaarch, pjaysam, privacylawyer and many others and especially to those who tried a MR to SIN.

All of your comments helped to make the thread interesting and readable. The champion MR for this thread for most miles in shortest time was Bartmas777 who did DFW ATL LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX ATL DFW for 30,018 MQM in 96 hrs for $1050 at 3.5 cpm, outstanding value, see posts 180 and 197. You might consider RobbyBobby's strategy, see post 63, 10 MR of 6000 MQM for about $200 per run. Please read eCaarch's post 228, if you have any doubt about getting a Flu shot which I encourage all to do especially MR. Be prepared, minimize risks. Thanks to UKBritt who also shared observations on MR to SIN. pjaysam did your boss make his goal of DM?

If anyone is in the SMF area would be privileged to meet with you, let me know and possibly we could arrange a meeting! Leaving for LAX Dec 24, ret Jan 2, to be with family.

Comments and ideas are welcome! How many made a MR to SIN this year?
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and may all your MR be enjoyable? comfortable? pleasant? good ones, worth it (of course or you wouldn't be doing it)? and may you get your UG on your MR!

Will post some prices in next day or so, not as good a value as last week. LAX Dep eg Jan 27-30 $1274.20 25,096 MQM 5.2 cpm.

Here are your Christmas Eve fares for LAX, SFO and SMF Dep
Best prices cpm from LAX but differences are insignificant from 5.1 to 5.3 cpm from SMF. All higher than I would want for a MR

LAX Dep
$1274.40 5.08 cpm Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 10-13, 17-20
$1288.79 5.14 cpm Mar 3-6, 31-Apr 3, 7-10
$1295.79 5.16 cpm Apr 14-17

SFO Dep
$1322.40 5.22 cpm Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6, 24-27
$1328.40 5.25 cpm Feb 17-20, Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27

SMF Dep
$1295.81 5.28 cpm Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6, 10-13, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1286.40 5.24 cpm Mar 31-Apr 3
$1303.30 5.31 cpm Feb 17-20, Mar 24-27

Now you can begin to plan for 2014!

A Very Merry and Blessed Christmas! Happy Travels! Get your Flu Shot! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Dec 24, 2013 at 2:36 am Reason: Add fares on Dec 24
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Old Dec 25, 2013, 10:30 am
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Merry Christmas and Happy Travels to All!

May all your MR be great and the cost low. Have a wonderful day!

For prices on Dec 24 see last post!
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Old Dec 26, 2013, 4:08 pm
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Question: So this MR is spend $1200 to get ~25kmiles?

Can anyone tell me why this is a good deal? I'm new to flyertalk(just created an account today). I did read the sticky notes and to my understand...MR deals are mainly for people that want to get status on an airline right?

It's not an actual airfare deal is it?
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Originally Posted by BobRoss
FYI - I can get same day turns for $991 JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK; with PM bonus takes it to about 2.5 CPM
What dates were you looking at?
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Old Dec 27, 2013, 2:50 pm
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Question: So this MR is spend $1200 to get ~25kmiles?

Can anyone tell me why this is a good deal? I'm new to flyertalk(just created an account today). I did read the sticky notes and to my understand...MR deals are mainly for people that want to get status on an airline right?

It's not an actual airfare deal is it?
Thanks for your question. It is not really a good deal unless you need lots of miles in a short time and have limited dates for travel. If you plan ahead you can get MR for <3.5 cpm. Found one in Jul that got me 25,092 MQM for 3.15 cpm for a flight in early Nov when I was able to travel. Hopefully that may be available again in 2014 but you won't know unless you check regularly or find someone who does. We try to check prices once a week and occasionally more often and post the results. The best prices for MR are usually for travel dates mid Jan thru Mar and mid Sep thru mid Nov before Thanksgiving and again for a few dates in early Dec. The times these fares are posted are from 1.5 to 4 mo before travel dates but these are only rough guidelines. The airlines continually change when and what they post and prices really depend on load factors. Lots of empty seats prices lower, as seats fill and around any holidays prices are higher. Most of this you probably already knew. If you have other questions, please let me know. Thanks for your post and questions.

Happy Travels! Cheers! Get your Flu shot!
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Old Dec 29, 2013, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by BobRoss
FYI - I can get same day turns for $991 JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK; with PM bonus takes it to about 2.5 CPM
What dates were you looking at?

The fares for this post are no longer available and the 2.5 cpm cost is based on the SM total which includes a 100% bonus as a PM. The cost in cpm that I state are based on the MQM total, not the SM total. Thanks for your question. The low fares don't last very long, so if you see a good one and you are happy with the price, you have 24 hrs to cancel if you get the trip om DL.com

Happy a Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 29, 2013, 3:10 am
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Fares on Dec 29, not very good

Prices on Dec 29

These are the fares, not very good, missing dates in Jan and Apr are even higher and are not listed. Prices from 5.1 - 5.49 cpm, too high for MR.

LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,092 MQM
$1345.70 ai 5.36 cpm Jan 20-23
$1298.99 5.18 cpm Feb 3-6
$1273.70 ai 5.08 cpm Jan 27-30, Feb 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1280.70 ai 5.10 cpm Mar 24-27, 31-Apr 3
$1295.09 ai 5.16 cpm Apr 7-10,
$1305.70 ai 5.15 cpm Apr 14-17 25,346 MQM thru DTW
$1378.70 ai 5.49 cpm Apr 21-24

SFO Dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$1321.70 ai 5.22 cpm Jan 20-23, Apr 7-10, 14-17
$1271.70 ai 5.02 cpm Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6
$1327.70 ai 5.24 cpm Mar 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, 31-Apr 3

SMF Dep SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF 24,542 MQM
$1285.70 ai 5.24 cpm Feb 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, Mar 17-20, 24-27
$1293.70 ai 5.27 cpm Feb 24-27
$1295.11 ai 5.28 cpm Mar 3-6, 10-13

Happy Travels! Get your Flu Shot! Cheers!
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