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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Dec 3, 2013, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
My experience in NRT was similar connecting to JFK, though lines at security were not long for that transfer but were on transfer to ATL several weeks later. When I go thru security in NRT I pick whichever line is shorter, on connection to ATL had more time and was able to go to SC and even had time to walk around airport to one of other terminals to get my exercise. Really appreciate you taking the time to post your report on your trip. Hope your next trip is not as long as this one was. How many MQM did you end up with? Should be close to 25,000 MQM. Did it take much time at JFK for US Passport clearance? Have seen a few comments where after you have been thru kiosk, if there aren't enough personnel to verify your form it can back up but when I went through they had multiple agents so there was no back up. SIN is very fast but MNL is terribly slow 30-45 min or more in Jan. Happy Travels! Cheers!
Seeing as I was travelling back on the Monday after Thanksgiving, it was very fast..sorry have not been able to post a more detailed report, but I only took my Ipad with me, and without its bluetooth keyboard, I am pigeon typing.. all the best on your next run..
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Old Dec 3, 2013, 11:35 am
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That has never been a problem but you may not have much time in the SC, sometimes my wife asks me why bother going but I usually do unless the time is really short. Have never missed a plane in NRT because of short transfer times although if plane is delayed significantly it could be a problem but if it is close they usually help expedite clearance thru security as they don't want you to miss your next flight!

Going out on Wed SMF LAX NRT SIN, if you are on that flight let me know. Don't have a lot of time to transfer from T5 to T6, will see what happens. A few weeks ago had the reverse from T6 to T5 and only 45 min and my wife needs a wheel chair for that distance but DL was ahead of the game and as we exited the plans a CSR was there waiting for us with my name on a sign and we were transferred in a Porsche Cayenne SUV along with two others who were heading for SYD. KUDOES to DL and they thanked us for our business and we thanked them got taking good care of us!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
3rd trip in a month? More power to you...^I could prob do 3 in a year, it will prob take me a few days to recover from this one...
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Old Dec 3, 2013, 12:40 pm
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Welcome Home and Thanks for your posts!

Originally Posted by UKbritt
3rd trip in a month? More power to you...^I could prob do 3 in a year, it will prob take me a few days to recover from this one...
Welcome home, get some well deserved rest and thanks very much for your posts. You do marvelously well with your iPad without the keyboard. Anytime you have other comments about your trip or other trips please post! What was your MQM total for your trip? Enjoy your next trip, hope it isn't as long. Just finished checking in and we have bulkhead EC seats with an empty between us on LAX NRT leg but not as fortunate on NRT SIN leg, still have bulkhead. Bulkhead seats are just a bit narrower than the others but is nice to have nothing in front.

DL informed us that we need to go from T5 to T6 and we have 73 min for this, will see if they do as well as our last transfer from T6 to T5, since we have a little more time they may not do as well as the Porsche Cayenne. Will see tomorrow.

Happy Travels! Enjoy your rest till your next trip and keep posting, any additional comments are welcome! Cheers!
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Old Dec 3, 2013, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl22
if I have read upthread correctly, this is your third SMF-SIN run in less than a month? when are you coming back?
Technically no, but won't make the trip back until Dec 15 as we have some work to do on this trip. First trip, Nov 11-14 from LAX, second Nov 24-27, present Dec 4-15. If anyone is going out tomorrow let us know! SMF LAX NRT SIN, the flight from SMF leaves at 920 am and arrives at LAX at 1046 an with LAX NRT dep at 1159 am. Run Nov 11-14 was LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. Couldn't work in outbound thru ATL at a reasonable price for this one that is why thru LAX and we will meet someone there joining us for outbound as well as two others in SIN joining us from YYZ and SLC.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 3, 2013, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Welcome home, get some well deserved rest and thanks very much for your posts. You do marvelously well with your iPad without the keyboard. Anytime you have other comments about your trip or other trips please post! What was your MQM total for your trip? Enjoy your next trip, hope it isn't as long. Just finished checking in and we have bulkhead EC seats with an empty between us on LAX NRT leg but not as fortunate on NRT SIN leg, still have bulkhead. Bulkhead seats are just a bit narrower than the others but is nice to have nothing in front.

DL informed us that we need to go from T5 to T6 and we have 73 min for this, will see if they do as well as our last transfer from T6 to T5, since we have a little more time they may not do as well as the Porsche Cayenne. Will see tomorrow.

Happy Travels! Enjoy your rest till your next trip and keep posting, any additional comments are welcome! Cheers!
I am working from home the rest of the week until I leave for my next trip,so recovery isn't to bad. Just one last thing, I did all EC bulkhead, and also slipped a little collapsible stool in my carry-on...the kind you would use for hiking or gardening, after takeoff, it did allow me to rest pretty much with my feet up..for much of the flights. 21087 miles total..would have got more if I could have routed via ATL...but didn't see any EC seating Asking me to sit in a reg coach middle seat, is like asking me drive 55mph..lol!

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Old Dec 3, 2013, 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by UKbritt
I am working from home the rest of the week until I leave for my next trip,so recovery isn't to bad. Just one last thing, I did all EC bulkhead, and also slipped a little collapsible stool in my carry-on...the kind you would use for hiking or gardening, after takeoff, it did allow me to rest pretty much with my feet up..for much of the flights. 21087 miles total..would have got more if I could have routed via ATL...but didn't see any EC seating Asking me to sit in a reg coach middle seat, is like asking me drive 55mph..lol!
Thanks for that suggestion, have seen an inflatable one on my last trip, what interests me the most is a cushion to sit on as the seats are not soft enough for me. Thx much if you think of something else let me know? Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 3, 2013, 6:02 pm
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Thanks for that suggestion, have seen an inflatable one on my last trip, what interests me the most is a cushion to sit on as the seats are not soft enough for me. Thx much if you think of something else let me know? Happy Travels! Cheers!
Had Amazon shipped me this this a day before travel with prime shipping, but I have now seen similar products also in Healthy Back stores or Bed Bath and Beyond stores if you those near you..
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Old Dec 4, 2013, 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by UKbritt
Had Amazon shipped me this this a day before travel with prime shipping, but I have now seen similar products also in Healthy Back stores or Bed Bath and Beyond stores if you those near you..
MR are easy compared to packing for work and friends, only need carry on. Will check 6 plus our two carry on and large computer case. Is your cushion one with "memory" or a special one that I have seen advertised in Magellan catalog? I have a regular one that would fit in my large computer case along with other stuff. Will try that tomorrow and see if it is better. This one is short compared to last week, must enjoy flying in a long tube filled with people. Have a great week and enjoy your next trip. Happy Travels! Cheers!

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Old Dec 4, 2013, 4:51 am
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Originally Posted by jrl22
if I have read upthread correctly, this is your third SMF-SIN run in less than a month? when are you coming back?
Originally Posted by Csfing1
Technically no, but won't make the trip back until Dec 15 as we have some work to do on this trip. First trip, Nov 11-14 from LAX, second Nov 24-27, present Dec 4-15. If anyone is going out tomorrow let us know! SMF LAX NRT SIN, the flight from SMF leaves at 920 am and arrives at LAX at 1046 an with LAX NRT dep at 1159 am. Run Nov 11-14 was LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. Couldn't work in outbound thru ATL at a reasonable price for this one that is why thru LAX and we will meet someone there joining us for outbound as well as two others in SIN joining us from YYZ and SLC.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
ah so

apparently we won't cross paths in LAX today since I don't get there early enough ... I'm spending the much of the next four days DMQM-ing SEA-LAX-OAK/SJC-LAX-SEA (plus some transcon time and a Friday meeting in SEA) ... safe travels, I admire your endurance to do ~60K BIS in a month
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Old Dec 4, 2013, 1:00 pm
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The Journey has started

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ah so

apparently we won't cross paths in LAX today since I don't get there early enough ... I'm spending the much of the next four days DMQM-ing SEA-LAX-OAK/SJC-LAX-SEA (plus some transcon time and a Friday meeting in SEA) ... safe travels, I admire your endurance to do ~60K BIS in a month
SMF LAX uneventful, fortunately no terminal change. Sitting on board in EC bulkhead so adequate room. If anyone is in NRT let us know?

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 5, 2013, 5:06 pm
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SIN arrival at 0103 touchdown, at gate a few min later

Safe arrival in SIN ahead of schedule. DL aid with wheelchair for my wife was excellent with all persons involved present and most helpful and attentive. Transfers take longer in NRT as you have to wait till all people on that flight who need aid are out and then to security but they take you to the front of line and are very solicitous and efficient. Easier for a short solo visit to SC in NRT for a few min. In LAX no time for visit to SC as it was time for preboarding by the time we arrived at gate and didn't have to change terminals.

Arrival in SIN, had to wait for a friend in SC (Skyview lounge)who was arriving at T3 on UA from HKG and his flight was 20 min late and there was some delay getting to Skyview lounge in T1 as he was not familiar with airport and shuttles aren't operating at that time although there were many flights dep after 2400. Personnel and amenities are excellent at SC and very few people at that time of day. Transfer desk doesn't open till 0300 and we were gone before that so did not get to meet someone who was boarding at SIN. Passport control and customs is always fast and all bags arrived safely even with a late arrival at SMF to start journey. Planes quite full but not full enough for UG to BC. EC bulkhead seats so plenty of leg room. Will get some fares posted in the next few days. Ret home Dec 15 SIN NRT ATL SMF.

Get your Flu shot! Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 7, 2013, 1:23 pm
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Fare LAX SIN for 2014

Fares LAX SIN

$1174.55 Jan 27-30 25,096 MQM 4.68 cpm LAXJFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1215.69 Feb 3-6 25,107 MQM 4.84 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT MSP JFK LAX
$1293.30 Feb 10-13 26,096 MQM 5.15 cpm

Best fare 4.66 cpm
$1169.30 Feb 17-20, 24-27, Mar 10-13, 17-20, 24-27 25,096 MQM 4.66 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

$1174.55 Mar 3-6 25,096 4.68 cpm

Happy Travels! Cheers!.
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Old Dec 8, 2013, 7:26 pm
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Read comments of DLDiamond2013 in thread "MR gone bad" to see how DL treats you on a MR that doesn't make connections. Very informative and a good post.

Will have update on fares later today but flights from SMF are definitely higher cost than from SFO or LAX,

Please continue to post any comments on your MR on these routings, thanks.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 3:25 pm
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FYI - I can get same day turns for $991 JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK; with PM bonus takes it to about 2.5 CPM
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 5:10 pm
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Originally Posted by BobRoss
FYI - I can get same day turns for $991 JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK; with PM bonus takes it to about 2.5 CPM
Bob, thanks very much for you post and info and taking the time to read!
That is true for SM but if you calculate cpm for MQM the cost is much higher. The fares that I post the cpm cost is based on MQM.

This is what I was able get this am SIN time before DL.com wouldn't give me any more fares.

LAX departures LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6 $1174.55 ai 25,096 MQM 4.68 cpm
Feb 10-13 1293.30 ai 25,096 MQM 5.15 cpm
Feb 17-20, 24-27 $1169.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.66 cpm
Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20 $1174.55 ai 25,096 MQM 4.68 cpm
Mar 24-27 $1169.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.65 cpm

SMF Departures SMF JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SMF
Jan 27-30 $1282.30 ai 25,974 MQM 4.94 cpm
Feb 3-6 $1224.90 ai 25,852 MQM 4.74 cpm SMF ATL JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK ATL SMF

SFO Departure SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Jan 27-30, Feb 3-6 $1201.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.74 cpm
Feb 10-13 $1276.30 ai 25,318 MQM 5.04 cpm
Feb 17-20 $1274.20 ai 25,318 MQM 5.03 cpm
Feb 24-27 $1201.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.74 cpm
Mar 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27 $1207.75 ai 25,318 MQM 4.77 cpm

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!

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