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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#136
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Prices as of 7/22/2013 11:15 pm PDT
Prices as of 7/21/2013 1:00 am PDT $1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm for LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX on Nov 11-14, 18-21, 25-28. Mon out Thr return
Prices for Nov 4-7 and Dec 2-5 much higher
1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.18 cpm for SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO on Nov 11-14 and 18-21 best prices for these routes tonight. Will be on Nov 11-14 from LAX but got much lower price a few weeks ago. Happy travels!
Cheers!
Prices for Nov 4-7 and Dec 2-5 much higher
1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.18 cpm for SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO on Nov 11-14 and 18-21 best prices for these routes tonight. Will be on Nov 11-14 from LAX but got much lower price a few weeks ago. Happy travels!
Cheers!
Fare for Nov 18-21 now higher
Prices for Nov 4-7, 18-21 and Dec 2-5 much higher
Prices from SFO still the same at $1310.40 as below
1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.18 cpm for SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO on Nov 11-14 and 18-21 best prices for these routes tonight.
Will be on Nov 11-14 from LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX but got ticket for $787.30 ai 3.14 cpm, a few weeks ago.
Happy travels!
#137
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares at 10 pm PDT Jul 24 - still the same for given dates
Fare. Prices as of 7/24/2013 11 pm PDT $1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm for LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX on Nov 11-14, 25-28. Mon out Thr return
Fare for Nov 4-7, 18-21 and Dec 2-5 higher
Prices from SFO still the same at $1310.40 as below
1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.18 cpm for SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO on Nov 11-14 and 18-21 best prices for these routes tonight. A few more miles from SFO and slightly higher fares.
Join me on a MR - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX Nov 11-14 1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm, might get lower fare if you wait till Sep.
Will be at JFK from 6 am to noon on Nov 12 if anyone is going to be in the Sky Club. Have a great week! Cheers
Fare for Nov 4-7, 18-21 and Dec 2-5 higher
Prices from SFO still the same at $1310.40 as below
1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.18 cpm for SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO on Nov 11-14 and 18-21 best prices for these routes tonight. A few more miles from SFO and slightly higher fares.
Join me on a MR - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX Nov 11-14 1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm, might get lower fare if you wait till Sep.
Will be at JFK from 6 am to noon on Nov 12 if anyone is going to be in the Sky Club. Have a great week! Cheers
#138
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NoVa/DC
Programs: DL DM, Fairmont Platinum, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Disney Platinum ;)
Posts: 1,003
When they were cheap a couple of weeks ago I booked 11/24-11/29 (2 nights in SIN). LAX via JFK. Have to reposition from WAS which I'm doing via JFK both directions--burning some miles, only 25k. Spending a couple of nights in LA before I head to SIN. Hope everything works out right on the return. Supposed to get to LAX at 7p then I head out at 1130p.
Traveled around the same time last year except no nights in LA and only 1 night in SIN. Paid $817 less $200 TCV...happy with that for 25096 MQM.
Traveled around the same time last year except no nights in LA and only 1 night in SIN. Paid $817 less $200 TCV...happy with that for 25096 MQM.
#139
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
When they were cheap a couple of weeks ago I booked 11/24-11/29 (2 nights in SIN). LAX via JFK. Have to reposition from WAS which I'm doing via JFK both directions--burning some miles, only 25k. Spending a couple of nights in LA before I head to SIN. Hope everything works out right on the return. Supposed to get to LAX at 7p then I head out at 1130p.
Traveled around the same time last year except no nights in LA and only 1 night in SIN. Paid $817 less $200 TCV...happy with that for 25096 MQM.
Traveled around the same time last year except no nights in LA and only 1 night in SIN. Paid $817 less $200 TCV...happy with that for 25096 MQM.
#140
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares on Jul 29, 2013 at 11 pm
LAX Departures
$1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX for Nov 11-14, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 2014, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.17 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 10-13,17-20, Mar 3-6, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Still hoping they will be lower after Labor Day! Cheers!
$1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX for Nov 11-14, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 2014, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.17 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 10-13,17-20, Mar 3-6, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Still hoping they will be lower after Labor Day! Cheers!
#141
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares as of Aug 4 10:30 pm PDT
LAX Departures
$1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX for Nov 11-14, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 2014, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.17 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 10-13,17-20, Mar 3-6, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Still hoping they will be lower after Labor Day! Cheers!
$1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX for Nov 11-14, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 2014, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.17 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 10-13,17-20, Mar 3-6, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Still hoping they will be lower after Labor Day! Cheers!
LAX Departures - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1266.70 ai 25096 MQM 5.05 cpm on Nov 11-14, 25-28
$1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm for Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6, 2014, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.17 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 18-21, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, Feb 17-20, Mar 3-6, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Still hoping they will be lower after Labor Day! Cheers!
#142
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices as of Aug 12
Prices slightly lower on following dates
LAX Departures
$1245.70 ai 25,096 MQM 4.98 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1294.70ai 25,318 MQM 5.11 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Less dates than last week and only a few dollars less.
Will see if prices go down in a few weeks, sure hope so!
LAX Departures
$1245.70 ai 25,096 MQM 4.98 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1294.70ai 25,318 MQM 5.11 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, 2014, other dates fare higher!
Less dates than last week and only a few dollars less.
Will see if prices go down in a few weeks, sure hope so!
#144
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Thanks for your response and noticing. Am doing MR Nov 11-14 LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX if anyone is interested in joining me. Out DL1162, 173, 621 Ret DL 622, 172, 1163. DL 1162 is the 9:30 dep from LAX, there is a 11:30 pm dep with 2 hrs less layover time at JFK but this flight doesn't have the lie flat seats in FC which makes it easier to sleep.
Have another MR Aug 26, 27 SMF ATL CVG LGA ATL LAX SMF
Have a great day! Cheers!
Have another MR Aug 26, 27 SMF ATL CVG LGA ATL LAX SMF
Have a great day! Cheers!
#145
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Atlanta, GA
Programs: Delta Diamond Medallion, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Silver, Hertz 5 Star, IHG Platinum
Posts: 14
I am doing this mileage run (ATL-LAX-NRT-SIN-NRT-LAX-ATL) in November and I'm very anxious about the long coach flights. I will hit Diamond at the end of this month, so I'm hoping to get an upgrade for the ATL-LAX legs, but LAX-NRT has me anxious.
What are the odds of getting upgraded as a Diamond on this leg? If the seats are available would they upgrade you to sell more coach seats?
This is going to be a challenge for me because I hate overnight flights without lie-flat seats. Upgrading to first with SWU is extremely costly and kinda defeats the purpose of the mileage run. Any advice?
What are the odds of getting upgraded as a Diamond on this leg? If the seats are available would they upgrade you to sell more coach seats?
This is going to be a challenge for me because I hate overnight flights without lie-flat seats. Upgrading to first with SWU is extremely costly and kinda defeats the purpose of the mileage run. Any advice?
#146
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New York, NY
Programs: AA ExPl, DL PM, UA Silver, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, probably some others
Posts: 4,105
I am doing this mileage run (ATL-LAX-NRT-SIN-NRT-LAX-ATL) in November and I'm very anxious about the long coach flights. I will hit Diamond at the end of this month, so I'm hoping to get an upgrade for the ATL-LAX legs, but LAX-NRT has me anxious.
What are the odds of getting upgraded as a Diamond on this leg? If the seats are available would they upgrade you to sell more coach seats?
This is going to be a challenge for me because I hate overnight flights without lie-flat seats. Upgrading to first with SWU is extremely costly and kinda defeats the purpose of the mileage run. Any advice?
What are the odds of getting upgraded as a Diamond on this leg? If the seats are available would they upgrade you to sell more coach seats?
This is going to be a challenge for me because I hate overnight flights without lie-flat seats. Upgrading to first with SWU is extremely costly and kinda defeats the purpose of the mileage run. Any advice?
#147
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Upgrades on international flights
There are no complimentary upgrades for DMs on fares from the US to Japan. The only upgrade would come if economy was oversold and they needed to create space. Not really much advice to offer beyond, in the future, do your mileage runs in the US and other locations (Bermuda, Canada, The Caribbean, Mexico, and flights to South America that aren't on BE).
Agree that MR in US if you are DM, you will be upgraded most of the time.
Good luck and pleasant travels!
#148
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 791
Thanks for your response and noticing. Am doing MR Nov 11-14 LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX if anyone is interested in joining me. Out DL1162, 173, 621 Ret DL 622, 172, 1163. DL 1162 is the 9:30 dep from LAX, there is a 11:30 pm dep with 2 hrs less layover time at JFK but this flight doesn't have the lie flat seats in FC which makes it easier to sleep.
Have another MR Aug 26, 27 SMF ATL CVG LGA ATL LAX SMF
Have a great day! Cheers!
Have another MR Aug 26, 27 SMF ATL CVG LGA ATL LAX SMF
Have a great day! Cheers!
#149
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices on Aug 18
Prices as of Aug 18
Prices slightly higher than last week on following dates
LAX Departures
$1306.10 ai 25,096 MQM 5.2 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1357.10 ai 25,318 MQM 5.36 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, 2014, other dates fare higher!
One more date than last week and higher fares
SMF Departures
$1318.10 ai 24,542 MQM 5.37 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF
for Nov 11-14, 18-21, Jan 27-30
Will see if prices go down in a few weeks, sure hope so!
Prices slightly higher than last week on following dates
LAX Departures
$1306.10 ai 25,096 MQM 5.2 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, higher on other dates.
SFO Departures
$1357.10 ai 25,318 MQM 5.36 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 11-14, 25-28, Jan 20-23, 27-30, 2014, other dates fare higher!
One more date than last week and higher fares
SMF Departures
$1318.10 ai 24,542 MQM 5.37 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF
for Nov 11-14, 18-21, Jan 27-30
Will see if prices go down in a few weeks, sure hope so!
#150
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices unchanged so far
No change in prices yet. Doing a MR next Mon SMF ATL CVG LGA ATL LAX SMF 6372 MQM in 24 hrs. Have a great day, if there are price changes will post, should happen in the next couple of weeks! Cheers