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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Jun 25, 2013, 3:08 am
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Prices on Jun 23 - lower

Originally Posted by stevenryals
unfortunately i'm not getting anything decent on the dates I need.. that happens frequently this time of year when i'm about out of vacation.. i can't be as flexible as i want to be.. oh well.. next time..
Sorry things didn't work out, prices this week are lower.
Cheers, good travels!

$1311.90 SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28.
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

$1311.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, 23-26, 30-Oct 3, Oct 7-10, 14-17, 21-24
24,976 MQM at 5.25cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 2:05 am
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Fares as of Jun 30 - minimal change, $1.30 less but some dates not available as a week earlier for same fare!

$1310.60 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28.
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

$1310.60 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, 30-Oct 3, Oct 7-10, 21-24
24,976 MQM at 5.25 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates

Check out thread on flights from LAX ATL AMS DOH MCT DOH AMS LAX $742.50 for 18,768 MQM at 4cpm, a few dates Nov 21-25 and later returns for a few days.
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Old Jul 7, 2013, 4:23 am
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Much better fares now from LAX to SIN - just booked following tonight
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX $787.30 ai 25,096 MQM at 3.14 cpm, a good MR
Is also available Nov 18-21 and 25-28. Mon out back on Thr
Tried from SFO and price is much higher, about $1310 more or less.
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Old Jul 7, 2013, 8:49 am
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DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

I booked one for nov 23 returning 1st dec
Lax-atl-nrt-sin and sin-nrt-DTW-atl-lax for $809 for total 24336 miles
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Old Jul 8, 2013, 12:23 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Much better fares now from LAX to SIN - just booked following tonight
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX $787.30 ai 25,096 MQM at 3.14 cpm, a good MR
Is also available Nov 18-21 and 25-28. Mon out back on Thr
Tried from SFO and price is much higher, about $1310 more or less.
Still available for Nov 25-28 but not for other dates at $787.30. Didn't check any dates in 2014, Dec also higher.
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Old Jul 8, 2013, 12:36 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Still available for Nov 25-28 but not for other dates at $787.30. Didn't check any dates in 2014, Dec also higher.
If you can get DL 1162 and 1163 between LAX and JFK and you get upgraded, you will get the lie flat seats, a good way to start and finish a long MR and you want EC for the intl portion which is free for PM and DM.
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Old Jul 8, 2013, 12:49 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Much better fares now from LAX to SIN - just booked following tonight
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX $787.30 ai 25,096 MQM at 3.14 cpm, a good MR
Is also available Nov 18-21 and 25-28. Mon out back on Thr
Tried from SFO and price is much higher, about $1310 more or less.
Try adding LAX-SMF/SFO/SJC/OAK at the end of your trip, looks like it adds about $60-80 for this segment, which is slightly cheaper than booking a one-way trip back to your point of origin Doesn't work though if you add the reverse at the beginning of this trip.
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Old Jul 8, 2013, 4:24 pm
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Thanks for suggestion

Originally Posted by wp_kid
Try adding LAX-SMF/SFO/SJC/OAK at the end of your trip, looks like it adds about $60-80 for this segment, which is slightly cheaper than booking a one-way trip back to your point of origin Doesn't work though if you add the reverse at the beginning of this trip.
Thanks for the suggestion, have already checked on DL and Southwest and tickets are about $100 each way but there will probably be a sale if I am patient and wait. Fares already higher to SIN and can't get as good today as 2 days ago.
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Old Jul 9, 2013, 1:44 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Still available for Nov 25-28 but not for other dates at $787.30. Didn't check any dates in 2014, Dec also higher.
Price up $40 to $827.30 ai 3.3 cpm as of Jul 9! Still a good price if you want to spend your Thanksgiving on a MR.
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Old Jul 11, 2013, 2:33 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Price up $40 to $827.30 ai 3.3 cpm as of Jul 9! Still a good price if you want to spend your Thanksgiving on a MR.
No more dates for 2013 but have 3 dates for 2014, probably others as well if you want to check. $827.30 ai 3.3 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX ON 1/27-30, 2/24-27, 3/3-6, 2014. Probably a few other dates as well but didn't check for them.

Happy travels!
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Old Jul 11, 2013, 6:49 pm
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Fares change daily -as of 5 pm PDT on DL.com

2 dates for $827.10 ai 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 1/27-30 and 3/3-6, checked other dates thru mid Mar and all higher even during same weeks and can't always get return thru JFK. If you make 4 of these runs for $3308.40 and another 25,000 MQM and spend $25,000 on a DL AMEX card you will have your DM for 2015!

Plan ahead, lots of good MR to pick from! Cheers
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 12:14 am
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Lowest cpm thru LAX for given dates. Fares current on Jul 14

Prices from LAX consistently lower for Nov than SFO with best price for Nov 11-14

$971.10 ai 25,096 MQM 3.9 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX Nov 11-14
$1019.10 ai 25,096 MQM 4.0 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
Nov 25-28 on 2 of 3 flights, early and late one, thru JFK

Flights thru SFO higher best $1350.10 ai 25,318 MQM 5.33 cpm
on Nov 11-14 other dates higher
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 1:12 pm
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Unfortunately, at this time prices are up from both LAX and SFO, have checked multiple dates but typically they come down some the last week of Aug and first week of Sep after Labor Day, not sure if you will be able get it much below 5 cpm but if you don't check and keep looking you will never know. I try to check prices several times a week and if something shows up will post results. Usually try for routes thru JFK and or ATL as that way you get more MQM but sometimes the price is too high and it may be better to do a MR in US if you can get the cost low enough. Have a good summer and keep checking, will post whatever I find as soon as it is found. If good run found, be quick, it may not last long!
Cheers!
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 1:20 pm
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Old Jul 21, 2013, 2:12 am
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Smile 1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

Originally Posted by Csfing1
Unfortunately, at this time prices are up from both LAX and SFO, have checked multiple dates but typically they come down some the last week of Aug and first week of Sep after Labor Day, not sure if you will be able get it much below 5 cpm but if you don't check and keep looking you will never know. I try to check prices several times a week and if something shows up will post results. Usually try for routes thru JFK and or ATL as that way you get more MQM but sometimes the price is too high and it may be better to do a MR in US if you can get the cost low enough. Have a good summer and keep checking, will post whatever I find as soon as it is found. If good run found, be quick, it may not last long!
Cheers!
Prices as of 7/21/2013 1:00 am PDT $1279.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.1 cpm for LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX on Nov 11-14, 18-21, 25-28. Mon out Thr return
Prices for Nov 4-7 and Dec 2-5 much higher

1310.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.18 cpm for SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO on Nov 11-14 and 18-21 best prices for these routes tonight. Will be on Nov 11-14 from LAX but got much lower price a few weeks ago. Happy travels!
Cheers!
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