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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Oct 9, 2013, 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Fares as of Oct 6 11:30 pm - same as last post, no changes

LAX Departures
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures
$1259.20 ai 25,318 MQM 5.01cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures
$1225.20 ai 24,542 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher

Enjoy the "game" but when the fare gets below 3.5 cpm if the date works for you, better get it before it goes up again and remember you have 24 hours to change your mind without penalty after you have made a reservation as some of the lower fares only last for a few days at best. Have MR Oct 7-8 SMF LAX DTW CAK DTW LAX SMF 5946 MQM for $191.40 at 3.22 cpm thanks to post by CokeandTaco - keep checking, if it works go for it! Happy travels! Cheers!

Fares as of Oct 8 11:30 pm - prices up by $0.50

LAX Departures + $0.50
$1225.70 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures + $0.50
$1259.70 ai 25,318 MQM 5.01cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures + $0.50
$1225.70 ai 24,542 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher

Completed MR - SMF LAX DTW CAK DTW LAX SMF 5946 MQM. Persuaded my wife to do this one with me, enjoyed her company but haven't been able to persuade her to join me for Nov 11-14 or 24-27 MR to SIN from LAX or SMF. UG for 3 of 4, my wife 2 of 4 with same reservation, she is PM, One was at gate, DTW CAK has no FC. KEEP checking, if it works go for it! Happy travels! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Oct 9, 2013 at 2:17 am Reason: Correct fares
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Old Oct 9, 2013, 2:25 am
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30,000 + MQM in 96 hours

Originally Posted by bartmas777
I am running this route this weekend... It's gonna be rough, my rear end hurts already.

DFW-CVG-LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX-CVG-DFW. Leaving Friday, get back to DFW Tuesday am. All in at about $1050. I grabbed this when they were on sale back in July. The $250 positioning flight (DFW-CVG-LAX; return same way) really brought my CPM up (3.31 to 3.49). Haha. Hoping for an OpUp somewhere along the line. My only UG so far is DFW-CVG on a CR9.

Anyone else going this weekend, let me know.
Hope someone can join Bartmas777 for at least part of his MR, over 30,000 MQM in 96 hours. Have a great MR, let us know how it goes! Cheers!
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Old Oct 9, 2013, 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Fares as of Oct 8 11:30 pm - prices up by $0.50

LAX Departures + $0.50
$1225.70 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures + $0.50
$1259.70 ai 25,318 MQM 5.01cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures + $0.50
$1225.70 ai 24,542 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher

Completed MR - SMF LAX DTW CAK DTW LAX SMF 5946 MQM. Persuaded my wife to do this one with me, enjoyed her company but haven't been able to persuade her to join me for Nov 11-14 or 24-27 MR to SIN from LAX or SMF. UG for 3 of 4, my wife 2 of 4 with same reservation, she is PM, One was at gate, DTW CAK has no FC. KEEP checking, if it works go for it! Happy travels! Cheers!
How can I book this on UA's website? When I try to pair these cities together using multi-city it doesn't come back with any results.
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Old Oct 9, 2013, 3:19 pm
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New to FT here.

Am I searching for prices on ITA correctly?

Departing from LAX
Routing Codes: JFK DL+
Destination SIN
Routing Codes: JFK DL+
Length of stay 0-6
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Old Oct 9, 2013, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by AeoNKiNG
How can I book this on UA's website? When I try to pair these cities together using multi-city it doesn't come back with any results.
Am not sure how to do on UA website as my routings were picked on DL.COM
You might try selecting flights by schedule rather than price if that option is available as it is on DL.COM, then I pick the routing that gives me the most miles for the lowest cpm cost. Try that and see how it goes. Happy travels! Cheers!
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Old Oct 9, 2013, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by WindingRoad
New to FT here.

Am I searching for prices on ITA correctly?

Departing from LAX
Routing Codes: JFK DL+
Destination SIN
Routing Codes: JFK DL+
Length of stay 0-6
Go to DL.COM and search using schedule, not price and after you pick the flight that goes from LAX JFK NRT SIN you will have to pick a return flight and you want to select the ones that goes from SIN NRT JFK LAX, that will give you the most miles. If you use the dates that I have listed hopefully you will get the same prices. I am going from LAX Nov 11-14 going out on the 9:30 pm flight, there is also a flight that leaves at 11:30 pm that has a shorter layover in JFK but I am hoping for an UG on flight to JFK and that one has the lay flat seat so I hope to sleep on the way out. If you have any problems let me know or send me a personal message with a phone number and I can call you.

Happy travels! Cheers!

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Old Oct 10, 2013, 2:09 am
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Originally Posted by WindingRoad
New to FT here.

Am I searching for prices on ITA correctly?

Departing from LAX
Routing Codes: JFK DL+
Destination SIN
Routing Codes: JFK DL+
Length of stay 0-6
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This was done at 0100 today, price is $1225.70

The following info is from DL.COM

OUTBOUND Mon, 11 Nov 2013 |9:30PM LAX to 1:20AM Thursday 14 Nov SIN | Multi-Stop |DL 1162 , DL 473 , DL 621

9:30PM LAX 1:20AM Thursday Nov 14 SIN
Multi-Stop 35 hr 50 min
JFK 6h 55m Layover NRT 2h Layover
DL 1162 Economy (V)
DL 473 Economy (V)
DL 621 Economy (V)

RETURN Thu, 14 Nov 2013 |5:45AMSIN to 7:01PM LAX | Multi-Stop |DL 622 , DL 172 , DL 417

5:45AM SIN 7:01PM LAX
Multi-Stop 29 hr 16 min
NRT 1h Layover JFK 2h 25m Layover
DL 622 Economy (V)
DL 172 Economy (V)
DL 417 Economy (V)

Upgrade to Business Class for just $3193.00 more per person each way*
*includes taxes and fees

Flex this fare for just $2419.00 more per person each way
Includes taxes & fees

PRICE PER PASSENGER: $806.00 (USD)
TAXES/CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES: $419.70 (USD)
SUBTOTAL PER PASSENGER: $1,225.70(USD)
TOTAL FOR ALL PASSENGERS(1): (INCLUDING TAXES/FEES)
This amount will appear in full on your statement. $1,225.70

Last edited by Csfing1; Oct 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm Reason: Delete extraneous information
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 1:29 am
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Happy travels

Originally Posted by bartmas777
I am running this route this weekend... It's gonna be rough, my rear end hurts already.

DFW-CVG-LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX-CVG-DFW. Leaving Friday, get back to DFW Tuesday am. All in at about $1050. I grabbed this when they were on sale back in July. The $250 positioning flight (DFW-CVG-LAX; return same way) really brought my CPM up (3.31 to 3.49). Haha. Hoping for an OpUp somewhere along the line. My only UG so far is DFW-CVG on a CR9.

Anyone else going this weekend, let me know.
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Happy travels, let us know how your trip goes and what you think of the terminals at Changi in SIN, hope you get some UG!

Cheers!
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 9:57 am
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Prices Oct 11 - prices lower, all about 4.6 cpm

LAX Departures - $16.00
$1209.70 25,096 MQM 4.62 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures - $95.00
$1264.70 ai 25,318 MQM 4.60 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures - $91.00
$1134.70 ai 24,542 MQM 4.62 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher

Will be down for a few days and than probably back up, depends on need to fill seats. Happy travels! Cheers!

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Old Oct 11, 2013, 2:48 pm
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Can someone clue me on how to get this to work at Delta.com?

I tried entering in all the from/to for:

LAX Departures
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 10-13

I just get a red message in the end: "Unable to process. Please call..."

I tried searching by both Price and Schedule. Same result.

Is there a trick to select what departure time for each leg or does that not matter?

Thanks!
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by richardinmotion
Can someone clue me on how to get this to work at Delta.com?

I tried entering in all the from/to for:

LAX Departures
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 10-13

I just get a red message in the end: "Unable to process. Please call..."

I tried searching by both Price and Schedule. Same result.

Is there a trick to select what departure time for each leg or does that not matter?

Thanks!
I just found the fare on Delta.com by entering LAX to SIN.

Don't have much time right now, but...on Delta.com, when you did your search, did you use the 'advanced' and select 'schedule' (near top of page)? That will give you a lot more options, and the JFK connections were quite a ways down the list.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by richardinmotion
Can someone clue me on how to get this to work at Delta.com?

I tried entering in all the from/to for:

LAX Departures
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 10-13.

I just get a red message in the end: "Unable to process. Please call..."

I tried searching by both Price and Schedule. Same result.

Is there a trick to select what departure time for each leg or does that not
matter?

Thanks!
Select flights by schedule and not price, had to try twice. Picked the 9:30 pm dep time and arrival time back at LAX would be at 7:01 pm. Price is $1209.70 If that date is not available try Nov 11-14. Am doing my run Nov 11-14. Good luck, Happy travels! Let me know if you make it. Cheers!

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Old Oct 12, 2013, 4:33 pm
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That helps a lot... found it. Thanks
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Old Oct 13, 2013, 12:25 am
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Originally Posted by richardinmotion
That helps a lot... found it. Thanks
Glad it worked out and you were able to get the fare. Happy travels! Cheers!
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 10:23 pm
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Prices the same as Oct 11, few more dates available, cost about 4.6 cpm

LAX Departures - same price
$1209.70 ai 25,096 MQM 4.62 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, 18-21, 24-27. Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures - same price
$1264.70 ai 25,318 MQM 4.60 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 17-20, 18-21, 24-27, 25-28. Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures - same price
$1134.70 ai 24,542 MQM 4.62 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher
Nov 18-21 is $15 higher at $1149.70 ai 4.68 cpm

DL having sale to Asia till Oct 19, don't know how long prices will be here, doubtful they will get much lower but that depends on load factor, how many empty seats. Fare pretty good week of Thanksgiving if you need a MR before end of year. Don't wait too long! Happy Travels! Have a great week! Cheers!
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