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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#256
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Finishing up MR - SMF PHL
The rest of 2013 not good prices for MR, too late if you haven't already planned your MR. Plan ahead. Halfway thru a MR with my wife. MR info courtesy of Rene at Delta Points, a great blog for Delta Flyers. Thanks, Rene
Have 2 more for the rest of the year, a long one Nov 24-27 SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF for 24,542 MQM at 0 cpm as ticket purchased with FlexPerk points, only cost will be parking, about $30. If anyone doing a MR to SIN at same time ,let me know.
Prices on Nov 19
Unable to get the longer runs thru JFK or ATL, best that could be done is thru MSP
LAX Departures
LAX MSP NRT SIN NRT MSP LAX $1086.30 ai 21,184 MQM 5.13 cpm
Jan 27-29, Feb 10-12, 17-19, 24-26, Mar 3-5, 10-12
SMF Departures
SMF MSP NRT SIN NRT MSP SMF $1086.30 ai 21,148 MQM 5.14 cpm
Jan 27-29, Feb 10-12, 17-19,24-26, Mar 3-5
Mar 10-12 $1139.30 ai 5.38 cpm
SFO Departures
SFO MSP NRT SIN NRT MSP SFO $1118.30 ai 21,290 MQM 5.25 cpm
Jan 27-29, Feb 10-12, 17-19, 24-26, Mar 3-5, 10-12
Get your Flu shots! Happy Travels! Cheers!
Have 2 more for the rest of the year, a long one Nov 24-27 SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF for 24,542 MQM at 0 cpm as ticket purchased with FlexPerk points, only cost will be parking, about $30. If anyone doing a MR to SIN at same time ,let me know.
Prices on Nov 19
Unable to get the longer runs thru JFK or ATL, best that could be done is thru MSP
LAX Departures
LAX MSP NRT SIN NRT MSP LAX $1086.30 ai 21,184 MQM 5.13 cpm
Jan 27-29, Feb 10-12, 17-19, 24-26, Mar 3-5, 10-12
SMF Departures
SMF MSP NRT SIN NRT MSP SMF $1086.30 ai 21,148 MQM 5.14 cpm
Jan 27-29, Feb 10-12, 17-19,24-26, Mar 3-5
Mar 10-12 $1139.30 ai 5.38 cpm
SFO Departures
SFO MSP NRT SIN NRT MSP SFO $1118.30 ai 21,290 MQM 5.25 cpm
Jan 27-29, Feb 10-12, 17-19, 24-26, Mar 3-5, 10-12
Get your Flu shots! Happy Travels! Cheers!
This is written tonight on the last leg of MR - SMF ATL DTW PHL MSP LAX SMF, 6191 MQM for 20,000 FlexPerks points and $12 for parking.
Kudos to DL as our last transfer at LAX was from terminal 6 to 5 and only 45 min to accomplish this when my wife is needing a wheel chair and we are trying to figure out how to get down to tunnel and ride cart between terminals and back upstairs to the gate in time to make our flight. As we exit the plane a DL CSR is standing there with my name on a sign as my wife slowly exits the plane. They are very solicitous and helpful and inquire if my wife can make it down the stairs to a waiting Porsche Cayenne SUV to take us to terminal 5. Short drive over with two other passengers transferring to a flight to SYD. It is nice to know that DL does notice and make appropriate arrangements for the transfer. They were very nice and thanked us for our business.
Will see how they treat her tomorrow on her MR SMF LAX CVG PHL ATL LAX SMF. She is an awesome and wonderful wife to put up with my MR and even take her own MR. But even more important than that, is the fact that with God's blessing and help and her love and patience we raised 5 wonderful children. We are looking forward to a RTW award ticket in BC next year or so before they raise the award fares any more. Have to decide where to make our stops.
Get your flu shots! Happy Travels! Cheers!
#257
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Have a great week! Get you flu shot! Happy Travels! Cheers!
#258
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: ATL
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 8
Booked ATL-NRT-HKG-NRT ATL departs Nov. 24
Booked ATL-NRT-HKG-NRT-ATL departing Nov. 24 12:15 pm and returns to ATL Nov. 26 1:34 pm. Miles are 17,344 and cost was $1,167.60. CPM = 6.7.
He has been to both airports in the last year so a good place to start with a MR.
However, he may pull the plug tomorrow as he expects to get upgraded. I've explained no Medallion Status upgrades internationally and no miles upgrades unless book international trips in Y, B or M which defeats low CPM. Not able to get EC seats either at this late date. Expectations are unreasonable so may not happen. But with a short trip to NYC in mid-Dec and Cancun at end-Dec should reach DM.
I've tried to explain if MR's were easy everyone would be doing them
He has been to both airports in the last year so a good place to start with a MR.
However, he may pull the plug tomorrow as he expects to get upgraded. I've explained no Medallion Status upgrades internationally and no miles upgrades unless book international trips in Y, B or M which defeats low CPM. Not able to get EC seats either at this late date. Expectations are unreasonable so may not happen. But with a short trip to NYC in mid-Dec and Cancun at end-Dec should reach DM.
I've tried to explain if MR's were easy everyone would be doing them
#259
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: ATL
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 8
ATL NRT - you may be on the same flight#
Hey, maybe you guys will meet. Let me know.
He is booked as follows -
Nov. 24 LV ATL 12:15 pm AR NRT 4:35 pm - DL 295 Layover 2 hr 20 mins
NRT Layover 2 hr 5 mins prior to Nov. 26 LV 3:20 pm AR 1:34 pm - DL 296
Thanks!
He is booked as follows -
Nov. 24 LV ATL 12:15 pm AR NRT 4:35 pm - DL 295 Layover 2 hr 20 mins
NRT Layover 2 hr 5 mins prior to Nov. 26 LV 3:20 pm AR 1:34 pm - DL 296
Thanks!
#260
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Sun Nov 24 DL 736 SMF ATL 1055 pm 0606 am
Mon Nov 25 DL 295 ATL NRT 1215 pm 4:35 pm
Tue Nov 26 DL 621 NRT SIN 6:35 pm 0120 am
Wed Nov 27 DL 622 SIN NRT 0545 am 1:30 pm
Wed Nov 27 DL 296 NRT ATL 3:20 pm 1:34 pm
Wed Nov 27 DL 736 ATL SMF 7:42 pm 9:55 pm
If anyone will be at one of the airports when I am there, let me know, I would enjoy meeting you.
Get your Flu Shot! Happy Travels! Cheers!
#261
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
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Posts: 1,041
Here are my flights and times, I think that I am at NRT on Nov 26 from 4:35 pm to 6:35 pm and Nov 27 from 1:30 pm to 3:20 pm, so he has already left at 3:20 pm before I arrive on Nov 26. Maybe we can meet on another MR.
Sun Nov 24 DL 736 SMF ATL 1055 pm 0606 am
Mon Nov 25 DL 295 ATL NRT 1215 pm 4:35 pm
Tue Nov 26 DL 621 NRT SIN 6:35 pm 0120 am
Wed Nov 27 DL 622 SIN NRT 0545 am 1:30 pm
Wed Nov 27 DL 296 NRT ATL 3:20 pm 1:34 pm
Wed Nov 27 DL 736 ATL SMF 7:42 pm 9:55 pm
If anyone will be at one of the airports when I am there, let me know, I would enjoy meeting you.
Get your Flu Shot! Happy Travels! Cheers!
Sun Nov 24 DL 736 SMF ATL 1055 pm 0606 am
Mon Nov 25 DL 295 ATL NRT 1215 pm 4:35 pm
Tue Nov 26 DL 621 NRT SIN 6:35 pm 0120 am
Wed Nov 27 DL 622 SIN NRT 0545 am 1:30 pm
Wed Nov 27 DL 296 NRT ATL 3:20 pm 1:34 pm
Wed Nov 27 DL 736 ATL SMF 7:42 pm 9:55 pm
If anyone will be at one of the airports when I am there, let me know, I would enjoy meeting you.
Get your Flu Shot! Happy Travels! Cheers!
Get your Flu shot! Happy Travels! Cheers!.
#263
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Location: SMF
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Posts: 1,041
Note from NRT
ATL NRT I was 13:50 and 105 miles and 26 min longer at 6850 further than JFK NRT on Nov 12 13:14 and 6745 miles. Long flights not my favorite thing. Both flights in 747-400. Will be in SIN in about 8 more hours.
Have a a great day. Happy Travels! Cheers
Have a a great day. Happy Travels! Cheers
#264
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Location: SMF
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Report from SIN
Have arrived a few min late at 0130 local time, return departs at 0545, 12,271 MQM so far. Will take some time and explore terminals and take some pix.
Info on flights so far is below for those who are interested, if not please ignore!
DL 36 2086 MQM SMF ATL 4:00:22.69 0658 2258
DL 295 6850 MQM ATL NRT 13:49:54.85 1239 1629
DL 621 3328 MQM NRT SIN 7:10:31.91 1918 0129
ATL NRT is 105 miles farther at 6850 than JFK NRT at 6745 and flight time was a 26 more minutes, 13:50 vs 13:14 on the days I flew.
Have a wonderful day. By now you should have your flu shot, if not please get it! Happy Travels! Cheers!
More later
Info on flights so far is below for those who are interested, if not please ignore!
DL 36 2086 MQM SMF ATL 4:00:22.69 0658 2258
DL 295 6850 MQM ATL NRT 13:49:54.85 1239 1629
DL 621 3328 MQM NRT SIN 7:10:31.91 1918 0129
ATL NRT is 105 miles farther at 6850 than JFK NRT at 6745 and flight time was a 26 more minutes, 13:50 vs 13:14 on the days I flew.
Have a wonderful day. By now you should have your flu shot, if not please get it! Happy Travels! Cheers!
More later
#266
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A lot to do/see at Changi! I would definitely recommend the butterfly gallery/atrium and maybe a movie if you are bored.... They have FREE movies!
#267
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Sent from SIN
Happy Travels! Get your Flu Shot. Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Nov 26, 2013 at 10:07 pm Reason: Editorial correction
#268
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SIN and NRT report
One other comment about Skyview lounge in SIN, showers available and they have vegetarian food which is my preference and is not always available in the cooked food in Asia.
Happy Thanksgiving! Get your Flu shot! Happy Travels and Cheers!
#269
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MR completed Happy Thanksgiving to all
Completed, Happy Thanksgiving to all. May all your runs be pleasant and enjoyable. Glad to be at home. Will work on price updates in next few days. For those of you who have runs between now and the end of the year, enjoy them and plan ahead.
Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers! Thanks for reading and all your comments and help! Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers! Thanks for reading and all your comments and help! Happy Thanksgiving!
#270
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Trip Report and fares for LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
Trip summary for those who are interested and for those who are not, please skip
Got UG for first and last legs SMF ATL ATL SMF
Fares from LAX SIN at end
On arrival in ATL on return, checked to see if earlier flight was available and could have shaved about 2 hours off and arrived at 7:30 pm but only had a middle seat in back on ATL MSP leg and aisle in front coach for MSP SMF so I decided to spend more time in ATL and be more comfortable on flight. Not a difficult choice for me.
Had requested non dairy vegetarian meal as this UG was cleared 5 days before but was informed by FA that it was not available. Will check and see what happened as I have been told by FA to make that request if you have at least 24 hrs till departure.
Had aisle EC bulkhead seats for most of the trip and an empty seat beside me on long runs from ATL NRT and NRT ATL which were about 13:50 and 11:58 for flight times, and also from SIN NRT. Seats need more cushioning or I could gain more weight which is not an option so may have to consider taking a cushion or pad to sit on as suggested by UKbritt in post 265. Showers in SC in terminal F ATL are very nice and CSR very nice and helpful. Shower available in Skyview lounge in SIN as well but not as nice as ATL or JFK!
Summary Flight time Dep Arr (local time)
2086 MQM SMF ATL 4:00:22.69 2258 0658
6850 MQM ATL NRT 13:49:54.85 1239 1629
3328 MQM NRT SIN 7:10:31.91 1918 0129
3328 MQM SIN NRT 6:01:56.92 0547 1249
6850 MQM NRT ATL 11:57:44.61 1543 1341
2086 MQM ATL SMF 4:38:10.57 2002 2141
24,542 MQM 47:38:41.55 flight time 515.16 MPH
Total time about 70:43 calculated from take off to touch down
Layover time approx 23:05 (total time - flight time)
SC visited ATL NRT SIN (Skyview, had vegetarian udon noodles)
Fares from LAX SIN, have to use multi city choice to get these fares as they no longer come up for me when I select fares by schedule and it takes much more time and you need to be familiar enough with schedule to make appropriate date and time selections.
Here is fare info for LAX SIN for late Jan and early Mar
Routing is LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Jan 27-30 $1169.50 ai 4.66 cpm
Feb 2-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6 $1108.50 ai 4.42 cpm
Mar 10-13 $1129.50 ai 4.5 cpm
Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Travels! Cheers!
Got UG for first and last legs SMF ATL ATL SMF
Fares from LAX SIN at end
On arrival in ATL on return, checked to see if earlier flight was available and could have shaved about 2 hours off and arrived at 7:30 pm but only had a middle seat in back on ATL MSP leg and aisle in front coach for MSP SMF so I decided to spend more time in ATL and be more comfortable on flight. Not a difficult choice for me.
Had requested non dairy vegetarian meal as this UG was cleared 5 days before but was informed by FA that it was not available. Will check and see what happened as I have been told by FA to make that request if you have at least 24 hrs till departure.
Had aisle EC bulkhead seats for most of the trip and an empty seat beside me on long runs from ATL NRT and NRT ATL which were about 13:50 and 11:58 for flight times, and also from SIN NRT. Seats need more cushioning or I could gain more weight which is not an option so may have to consider taking a cushion or pad to sit on as suggested by UKbritt in post 265. Showers in SC in terminal F ATL are very nice and CSR very nice and helpful. Shower available in Skyview lounge in SIN as well but not as nice as ATL or JFK!
Summary Flight time Dep Arr (local time)
2086 MQM SMF ATL 4:00:22.69 2258 0658
6850 MQM ATL NRT 13:49:54.85 1239 1629
3328 MQM NRT SIN 7:10:31.91 1918 0129
3328 MQM SIN NRT 6:01:56.92 0547 1249
6850 MQM NRT ATL 11:57:44.61 1543 1341
2086 MQM ATL SMF 4:38:10.57 2002 2141
24,542 MQM 47:38:41.55 flight time 515.16 MPH
Total time about 70:43 calculated from take off to touch down
Layover time approx 23:05 (total time - flight time)
SC visited ATL NRT SIN (Skyview, had vegetarian udon noodles)
Fares from LAX SIN, have to use multi city choice to get these fares as they no longer come up for me when I select fares by schedule and it takes much more time and you need to be familiar enough with schedule to make appropriate date and time selections.
Here is fare info for LAX SIN for late Jan and early Mar
Routing is LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Jan 27-30 $1169.50 ai 4.66 cpm
Feb 2-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27, Mar 3-6 $1108.50 ai 4.42 cpm
Mar 10-13 $1129.50 ai 4.5 cpm
Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Nov 29, 2013 at 12:51 am Reason: Correct price for cpm for Mar 10-13