Eagle2000

Surprise Surprise....

Visconti

So, Govt's recommendation is don't wear one until after one gets infected with something, at least a cold?

uanj

Was your friend seriously ill? Because maybe he was not but they are not taking any chances. I have any employee who went through a similar experience. Changed trains in Wuhan before the New Year and her husband developed a fever and diarrhea two days later. Both were quarantined and tested for three days straight. After three days of negative tests they were allowed to leave. She never even had any symptoms for anything.

Your friend probably did not test positive for coronavirus, if he did they would certainly have told him and he would not be out so fast. I think the numbers are low because they are only reporting positive test reports and many people have simply not been tested. Look at the case of Dr Li, he was hospitalized for two weeks before they tested him and they all knew full well he had contracted the virus. I view the data as confirmation of those who tested positive, but if everyone was tested the numbers would be far higher, more in line with epidemiologists' projections . I have heard anyone who died before being tested has a cause of death of pneumonia or flu and not coronavirus. Not a conspiracy as much as inefficiency and inaccuracy from an overwhelmed bureaucracy.

wrp96

Except that AA currently has labor issues with the pilots (and other work groups) which make them more pre-disposed to bring up anything as an issue, much more so than at DL & UA. It doesn't mean that there aren't a similar number of concerned crew members at DL & UA just that we can't extrapolate from AA's numbers.

anacapamalibu

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ay/4688785002/

A Chinese university says scientists identified the heavily trafficked pangolin as a possible intermediary host of the new coronavirus while the number of new virus cases declined for a second day.

The coronavirus from China is believed to have originated in bats and transferred to humans through some other animal, health officials say. The pangolin may be that key link, researchers at South China Agricultural University said Friday

The research team tested more than 1,000 samples from wild animals and a found a 99% match between the genome sequences of viruses found in pangolins and those in human patients, the AFP reported, citing Chinese state media.

Apparently the pangolin are prized for their scales in use for TCM. The pangolin appears to be the closest animal to resembling a dragon. Also prized for their golden scales are Asian arowana by wealthy fish keepers. Similarly fruit bats
that resemble flying dragons. Seems there is a connection between dragon like creatures demand and this virus.





The breeder of these ghostly mutants, a Malaysian entrepreneur named Alan Teo, claimed that a prominent member of the Chinese Communist Party had recently bought one for $300,000.
https://nypost.com/2016/06/05/this-f...-worth-300000/

MarkCron

I spoke today with a work colleague in Wuhu (not Wujan). He and his family have been confined to their apartment for the past 10 days, which will continue through the weekend. Barring government action, he will return to work on Monday (I could certainly see the government forbidding this for another week or more).
My customers are starting to ask for status on supply issues from our plant in Wuhu, and also for our products made in Mexico that utilize parts made in China. One very major concern from me is a supplier that is located in Wujan. Supposed to return to work Monday, but I find that really hard to believe. But if they do I suppose that is a good sign.
If not, there will be many interruptions in commerce rippling throughout the world over the next weeks and months.

anacapamalibu

Not sure if one of the requirements allowing workers to return on 2/10 is compulsory mask wearing.
Since there is a mask shortage and masks dont last forever...could be a stumbling block for return of workers.



Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. told employees at its Shenzhen facility not to return to work when the extended Lunar New Year break ends Feb. 10, according to a memo obtained by Bloomberg News.Electronics giant Foxconn, maker of the Apple iPhone, is taking the unusual step of switching part of its production to making surgical masks.

The firm is also pushing to be allowed to reopen its regular production lines making electronics, which have been closed due to the coronavirus.

invisible

Next several days in Singapore will be... interesting.
I and yosithezet will continue this thread entertained.

bambinomartino

A business associate of mine just told me what a close friend of hers told her yesterday.

The person was visiting parents in Shandong province, in a relatively small city. They have a round-trip ticket YEG - China - YEG. On the way to the airport, there was a checkpoint on the city's outskirts. They were not allowed to leave the city. No symptoms. Not coming in, but leaving the city. Forced to return home, after which the local authorities put up a conspicuous sign on that family's front door to the effect of "this person is trying to run away".

What.the.actual...

STS-134

I'm surprised that these harassers in these local police departments (especially the ones who took the now deceased Dr. Li in for "questioning") have not been doxxed yet. As for this particular case, what did they hope to possibly accomplish? Imply that someone who had to catch a flight was infected with the virus without any evidence whatsoever?

trueblu

New paper on potential in-hospital transmission.

All of the patients had confirmed pneumonia by CT. Astonishingly, 57/138 patients were healthcare workers and they were presumed to have been infected as part of their work...which is an extraordinary high rate. Several others were in hospital for other reasons initially and subsequently infected. Outcome data only available for 53 patients: 6 died and the rest recovered and discharged, which gives a mortality of ~11% of those either recovered or died, and overall mortality of 4% thus far. To put this in context, this is extremely similar mortality to those with proven pneumonia due to influenza, although to be fair, most of those (influenza) people would be much older. Another odd fact is that although 25% of the patients needed intensive care, only a small proportion needed high flow oxygen, so "ARDS" doesn't appear to be the major problem in some of these patients, although a lot of patients needed some oxygen therapy.

For sure, nCoV can cause a severe, life-threatening pneumonia. It's unclear at the moment what proportion of patients infected go on to get pneumonia. The general features of 'confirmed' cases suggests 20% of those in Hubei are "severe" and about 5-10% severe rest of mainland China. Less clear data on the ~300 patients overseas. I _suspect_ that when the dust is cleared, the overall mortality will be around 1% of all cases, or possibly even lower, since I suspect that the confirmed cases are biased towards more severe disease, but that's conjecture at this point.

tb

helvetic

Hubei reports another 81 dead and 2.8k new cases. Official numbers

nk15

"affected health professionals (40 [29%]) and hospitalized patients (17 [12.3%])."

41% total in hospital transmission indeed sounds very high, they need to do something about that, although these may be earlier data before they realized how easily it gets transmitted.

So, do the drugs do anything?

invisible

Singapore: last evening there was an email sent to every employee our corporate office in Singapore requesting to fill travel declaration form documenting recent (14 days) travel to/from China, including transit, for both business/leisure. In the corresponding email it was said that request came from ministry of health and it was sent to every employer in Singapore.

invisible

People on that floating petri dish won't be happy

People who are quarantined aboard the Diamond Princess in Japan have been wondering how long their isolation would last. On Friday, a health official gave an answer they might not like: the quarantine will be extended every time a new case of the Wuhan coronavirus is confirmed on the ship.