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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Jul 3, 2015, 9:25 pm
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Fares Jul 3

Fares from LAX Jul 3
LAX Dep. 25,096 MQM
Fares from Google.com/flights

$928 ai 3.70 cpm October 5-8, 26-29, Nov 9-12, 23-26 Thanksgiving week Best FARE
$1018 ai 4.06 cpm Nov 2-5, Sep 28-October 1

Dates not given higher fares, fare has gone down for Thanksgiving week!
Please post comments or lower fares! Thanks!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 5, 2015, 9:19 am
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Because of my work schedule, my plan is to book a trip or two over weekends that allow a day or two in Singapore.

For a 9/3 Departure (Thurs) and 9/8 return (Tue), the price is $967

LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX

The last time I did this I was able to click through from Google to Delta and book it online. This time there is no option and I can't bring up the fare on Delta at all. I only get error messages that travel is not available.

Are others just calling in to Delta to book?
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Old Jul 5, 2015, 11:26 am
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Smile Got fares thru Kayak.com for your dates

Try kayak.com was able to get fare thru to DL this am but not on Google.com/flights and I don't know the reason. Has anyone else had that problem today? If so please let us know. If you have any problems let me know.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 5, 2015, 3:40 pm
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Thanks for the response. I hadn't used Kayak and didn't know about that feature. It worked perfectly.

You are always so helpful. Thanks Csfing1!
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Old Jul 7, 2015, 1:27 pm
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Smile Glad you were able to get the fare, enjoy your trip!

Glad you were able to get the fare. Let us know how the trip works out. I am still looking at a MR in Nov either Nov 9-12 or 23-26 if I am willing to spend Thanksgiving on the plane as I did last year. Will also be going to SIN in Aug and on to DPS (Bali). We are really looking forward to a RTW trip in Sep Oct in J booked with 280,000 RDM when that fare was available in 2014, 6 stops MEL HKG DXB (Dubai) FCO (Rome) LHR (London) EZE (Buenos Aires)

Have a Great Day and Super Week!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 12, 2015, 10:45 am
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Smile Fares on July for 12 LAX Dep

Fares on July 12
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFJ NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
Fares from Google.com/flights

$928 ai 3.70 cpm October 5-8, 19-22 Best Fare

$1018 ai 4.06 cpm Oct 12-15
$1167 ai 4.65 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1

Dates not given higher fares, fares change daily
Please post comments or lower fares! Thanks!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 9:39 am
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OK good folks, here is a decent option, get to booking!

[DL] Washington D.C. / Chicago - Singapore. $762 r/t.

I am living large so I booked it for $766.20. DC is home so I might miss playing in SF but I think I'll get over it (and go another time!).

Routing is DCA-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-MSP-DCA. The MSP/DTW connections are tight so let's hope no snow, but should the worst happen there is the MSP-NRT flight. This fare is valid Mon-Thu so I'm flying on Thanksgiving outbound 11/26 and returning Monday 11/30. Wanted some time on the ground in SIN so I can do some new things.

Comes out to 3.43cpm, $766.20 and 22,322 MQMs (and probably about 5 RDMs).

Now I have to mentally adjust to the fact that I can do 2 days in SF, 3.5 days in the air, and 2 days in SF. That part makes me sad. I think I can fix it by booking an independent trip to SF!

Happy travels folks, may all your fares be low! Edited to add I didn't bother even attempting to book this online. Multi-city has long been broken so I just did a search on ITA for DL+ and that worked. ATL and MSP were connecting options as well but those result in fewer MQMs and not being on a 747 upper deck.

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Old Jul 15, 2015, 12:38 am
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Smile Thanks for your post and info - Great price!

Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
OK good folks, here is a decent option, get to booking!

[DL] Washington D.C. / Chicago - Singapore. $762 r/t.

I am living large so I booked it for $766.20. DC is home so I might miss playing in SF but I think I'll get over it (and go another time!).

Routing is DCA-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-MSP-DCA. The MSP/DTW connections are tight so let's hope no snow, but should the worst happen there is the MSP-NRT flight. This fare is valid Mon-Thu so I'm flying on Thanksgiving outbound 11/26 and returning Monday 11/30. Wanted some time on the ground in SIN so I can do some new things.

Comes out to 3.43cpm, $766.20 and 22,322 MQMs (and probably about 5 RDMs).

Now I have to mentally adjust to the fact that I can do 2 days in SF, 3.5 days in the air, and 2 days in SF. That part makes me sad. I think I can fix it by booking an independent trip to SF!

Happy travels folks, may all your fares be low! Edited to add I didn't bother even attempting to book this online. Multi-city has long been broken so I just did a search on ITA for DL+ and that worked. ATL and MSP were connecting options as well but those result in fewer MQMs and not being on a 747 upper deck.
Enjoy your trip and thanks for your post, have to get my MQM to keep DM

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 15, 2015, 12:56 am
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Smile Fares on July 14 LAX and SFO Dep

LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

$922 ai 3.67 cpm Oct 5-8, 19-22. Best fare
$989 ai 3.94 cpm Dec 1-4
$1015 ai 4.04 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Nov 2-5
$1164 ai 4.63 cpm Oct 12-15, 26-29, Nov 9-12

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$939 ai 3.70 cpm Oct 19-22
$1082 ai 4.27 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Nov 2-5
$1215 ai 4.80 cpm Oct 5-8, 12-15, 26-29, Nov 9-12

Other dates higher
Happy Travels! Cheers!

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Old Jul 15, 2015, 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
OK good folks, here is a decent option, get to booking!

[DL] Washington D.C. / Chicago - Singapore. $762 r/t.

I am living large so I booked it for $766.20. DC is home so I might miss playing in SF but I think I'll get over it (and go another time!).

Routing is DCA-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-MSP-DCA. The MSP/DTW connections are tight so let's hope no snow, but should the worst happen there is the MSP-NRT flight. This fare is valid Mon-Thu so I'm flying on Thanksgiving outbound 11/26 and returning Monday 11/30. Wanted some time on the ground in SIN so I can do some new things.

Comes out to 3.43cpm, $766.20 and 22,322 MQMs (and probably about 5 RDMs).

Now I have to mentally adjust to the fact that I can do 2 days in SF, 3.5 days in the air, and 2 days in SF. That part makes me sad. I think I can fix it by booking an independent trip to SF!

Happy travels folks, may all your fares be low! Edited to add I didn't bother even attempting to book this online. Multi-city has long been broken so I just did a search on ITA for DL+ and that worked. ATL and MSP were connecting options as well but those result in fewer MQMs and not being on a 747 upper deck.
Can you post your exact flight info? I would love to book this as well!
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Old Jul 15, 2015, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Can you post your exact flight info? I would love to book this as well!
This fare was gone as of yesterday afternoon.
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Old Jul 22, 2015, 12:46 am
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Fares on Jul 21 LAX Dep

LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFL LAX
Fares from Google.com/flights

$ 921 ai 3.67 cpm Oct 5-8,12-15, 19-22 Best Price
$1019 ai 4.06 cpm Sep 7-10, Nov 2-5
$1065 ai 4.24 cpm Dec 1-4
$1107 ai 4.41 cpm Nov 16-19
$1180 ai 4.70 cpm Aug 31-Sep 3, Sep 28-Oct 1, 26-29, Nov 9-12
$1268 ai 5.05 cpm Nov 23-26

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 2:06 am
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Prices on Jul 26, 2015

Fares on Jul 27 LAX Dep
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFL LAX
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher fares

$ 921 ai 3.67 cpm Oct 5-8,12-15, 19-22 Best Price
$1014 ai 4.04 cpm Oct 26-29
$1019 ai 4.06 cpm Nov 30 - Dec 3
$1124 ai 4.48 cpm Nov 2-5

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 2:08 am
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Prices on Jul 26, 2015

Fares on Jul 27 LAX Dep
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFL LAX
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher fares

$ 921 ai 3.67 cpm Oct 5-8,12-15, 19-22 Best Price
$1014 ai 4.04 cpm Oct 26-29
$1019 ai 4.06 cpm Nov 30 - Dec 3
$1124 ai 4.48 cpm Nov 2-5

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 28, 2015, 10:21 pm
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Smile Prices on July 28 essentially the same

Prices on Jul 28, 2015
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFL LAX
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher fares

$ 921 ai 3.67 cpm Oct 5-8, 19-22, 26-29 Best Price
$933 ai 3.72 cpm Oct 11-14
$1014 ai 4.04 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 12-15
$1018 ai 4.06 cpm Sep 7-10
$1124 ai 4.48 cpm Nov 2-5

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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