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Wiki/How-To/FAQ: Start here if this is your first time visiting this thread
If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#841
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Utah
Programs: DL DM UA AA Hilton Starwood
Posts: 581
Have you had any issues with the DL website erroring out on a multi-city search? Can't get what I want and I don't feel like calling them. Doing SFO/SIN doesn't give me the connection cities I want and when I do a multi-city it's telling me "Travel for the date you selected is not offered or sold out," which of course is crap. Their website sucks so much. STILL.
Is everyone having these same issues?
#842
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
I been going ask this for some time also. I have not been able to do a simple multi-city search lately for a MR with anywhere near a quick turn at all. Always get the same error. If I stretch the days out for longer stays sometimes it will go through. It does not seem to matter if it is domestic or international. What is wrong? DUH, DL IT of course.
Is everyone having these same issues?
Is everyone having these same issues?
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#843
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Utah
Programs: DL DM UA AA Hilton Starwood
Posts: 581
Unfortunately you are correct. Since you are DM you can call but I usually start with Google.com/flights using the multi city tab and have the following city pairs eg LAX JFK, JFK SIN, SIN JFK, JFK LAX This will automatically route you thru NRT on the JFK SIN leg, you click on delta below and select your flights and than it transfers you to delta.com and you buy your tickets etc. This is the way I get the prices for these dates. Used to call the DM desk and they would do it for me, and would give them all the dates, they were very nice and would do it for me but using Google is much easier. If you still have trouble send me a PM with phone number and I will be happy to help you.
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Added SLC on front and back to position for this and came up with $1049 and 24k MQM's. Still would not ticket. Kept getting error.
Finally had to call. When I told her what I wanted and dates she was surprised at the fare also. She came up with $1055. That's why it would not ticket at DL.com. Told her it was just a mileage run, hence the quick turn.
Ended up with this, SLC-LAX-MSP-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-MSP-LAX-SLC for $1055. Leaving late evening 4/18, return all the way 4/21 to SLC.
#845
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
MR Thanksgiving week Nov 23-26 $921 LAX Dep
Have you had any issues with the DL website erroring out on a multi-city search? Can't get what I want and I don't feel like calling them. Doing SFO/SIN doesn't give me the connection cities I want and when I do a multi-city it's telling me "Travel for the date you selected is not offered or sold out," which of course is crap. Their website sucks so much. STILL.
Happy travels! Cheers!
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#846
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NoVa/DC
Programs: DL DM, Fairmont Platinum, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Disney Platinum ;)
Posts: 1,003
I just booked ex-BOS which is running $708 today for Labor Day weekend. Spending Saturday in Singapore. I count 21,538 MQMs @ 3.28cpm. Since I'm in DC BOS is much easier for positioning. Have to overnight in Buffalo but that's someplace new so I'm OK with that. There were a couple of other routing options back but they involved single-cabin aircraft. No thanks. On hold right now trying to see if I can get my last 2 legs included in the GUC...they are on a different calendar day (overnight in BUF) so we'll see. Haven't had to deal with that before.
The 747 legs to/from DTW cleared. I have 77 K/A for those segments. The J cabins NRT/SIN are wide-open but no upgrades right now. I guess now that they are 767s they don't hand them out as quickly.
For those using GUCs how often to you call or tweet to check on upgrade availability when you are waitlisted? I certainly don't trust Delta IT.
Update: All segments confirmed in first/business expect NRT/SIN segments. Hopefully those will clear before travel time. Now I have to figure out which seats I was in coach in case they don't clear. It's a 763 with 7 rows of business...I forget what the bulkhead is like on those. It would be so much easier on a 777!
The 747 legs to/from DTW cleared. I have 77 K/A for those segments. The J cabins NRT/SIN are wide-open but no upgrades right now. I guess now that they are 767s they don't hand them out as quickly.
For those using GUCs how often to you call or tweet to check on upgrade availability when you are waitlisted? I certainly don't trust Delta IT.
Update: All segments confirmed in first/business expect NRT/SIN segments. Hopefully those will clear before travel time. Now I have to figure out which seats I was in coach in case they don't clear. It's a 763 with 7 rows of business...I forget what the bulkhead is like on those. It would be so much easier on a 777!
Last edited by iamhereandthere; Mar 16, 2015 at 2:04 pm
#847
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Great price! Off to ATQ on TUE - SMF LAX ATL NRT SIN DEL ATQ
I just booked ex-BOS which is running $708 today for Labor Day weekend. Spending Saturday in Singapore. I count 21,538 MQMs @ 3.28cpm. Since I'm in DC BOS is much easier for positioning. Have to overnight in Buffalo but that's someplace new so I'm OK with that. There were a couple of other routing options back but they involved single-cabin aircraft. No thanks. On hold right now trying to see if I can get my last 2 legs included in the GUC...they are on a different calendar day (overnight in BUF) so we'll see. Haven't had to deal with that before.
The 747 legs to/from DTW cleared. I have 77 K/A for those segments. The J cabins NRT/SIN are wide-open but no upgrades right now. I guess now that they are 767s they don't hand them out as quickly.
For those using GUCs how often to you call or tweet to check on upgrade availability when you are waitlisted? I certainly don't trust Delta IT.
Update: All segments confirmed in first/business expect NRT/SIN segments. Hopefully those will clear before travel time. Now I have to figure out which seats I was in coach in case they don't clear. It's a 763 with 7 rows of business...I forget what the bulkhead is like on those. It would be so much easier on a 777!
The 747 legs to/from DTW cleared. I have 77 K/A for those segments. The J cabins NRT/SIN are wide-open but no upgrades right now. I guess now that they are 767s they don't hand them out as quickly.
For those using GUCs how often to you call or tweet to check on upgrade availability when you are waitlisted? I certainly don't trust Delta IT.
Update: All segments confirmed in first/business expect NRT/SIN segments. Hopefully those will clear before travel time. Now I have to figure out which seats I was in coach in case they don't clear. It's a 763 with 7 rows of business...I forget what the bulkhead is like on those. It would be so much easier on a 777!
Happy Travels. Have a Grat Day! Cheers!
#849
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Great Price from BOS
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#850
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: MSP
Programs: Delta PM, Marriott Plat, Hertz Pres
Posts: 3,649
#852
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares Mar 17 LAX DEP
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
$927 ai 3.69 com Oct 19-22, 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 23-26 Best Price
$957 ai 3.81 cpm Sep 7-10
$1028 ai 4.1 cpm Nov 16-19
$1042 ai 4.15 cpm Apr 20-23
$1088 ai 4.34 cpm Nov 30-Dec2
Happy Travels! Cheers! From SC in ATL.
$927 ai 3.69 com Oct 19-22, 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 23-26 Best Price
$957 ai 3.81 cpm Sep 7-10
$1028 ai 4.1 cpm Nov 16-19
$1042 ai 4.15 cpm Apr 20-23
$1088 ai 4.34 cpm Nov 30-Dec2
Happy Travels! Cheers! From SC in ATL.
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#853
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares Mar 18 SFO Dep
SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$967 ai 3.82 cpm Apr 20-23 Best Price
$1001 ai 3.95 cpm Oct 19-26, 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 23-26
$1014 ai 4.00 cpm Oct 5-8
$1062 ai 4.19 cpm Apr 6-9, 13-16,, May 11-14
$1081-1094 ai 4.27-4.32 cpm Sep 21-24, 28-Oct 1 Nov 16-19, 30-Dec 3
$1161 ai 4.59 cpm Sep 7-10
Happy Travels! Cheers! From ATL SC, off to NRT SIN DEL ATQ.
$967 ai 3.82 cpm Apr 20-23 Best Price
$1001 ai 3.95 cpm Oct 19-26, 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 23-26
$1014 ai 4.00 cpm Oct 5-8
$1062 ai 4.19 cpm Apr 6-9, 13-16,, May 11-14
$1081-1094 ai 4.27-4.32 cpm Sep 21-24, 28-Oct 1 Nov 16-19, 30-Dec 3
$1161 ai 4.59 cpm Sep 7-10
Happy Travels! Cheers! From ATL SC, off to NRT SIN DEL ATQ.
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#854
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
From SIN
Waiting to board plane for DEL and then on to ATQ on Air India. Have never tried Air India before. Good new got j UG from ATL NRT leg, thanks to Ged for his providences and blessings, which was almost 14 hours of flight time. Much easier to sleep in J than Y even if it takes me a few minutes to adjust the seat till it is comfortably flat for sleeping. Without DM, no UG.
Have a super weekend. If you get lower prices please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Have a super weekend. If you get lower prices please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
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