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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Dec 9, 2014, 1:23 am
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Originally Posted by kulin
I will stay in LA for 3 days and begin the return route on 7 Dec, arriving SIN on 9 Dec(midnight).
Have a great trip back, look us up when you return. We are at 798 Thomson Road, the Youngberg Wellness Center. The 10th is the last day of our program. Would enjoy meeting you. Leave for Malaysia on Dec 14. Send me a PM with phone number and will try to contact you. Have a great trip! Cheers!

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Old Dec 9, 2014, 8:06 pm
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Any good rates for jan/feb runs? Looking like im going to miss my target for this year so might as well pack in a few early next year.
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Old Dec 9, 2014, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Putt86
with delta's switch to $ instead of miles in 2015, and AS announcement on DL's V fare will earn only earn 50% miles... Would say that this run isn't gonna be useful next year . I was banking on some early year MR to SIN or BKK, and now have to look at other options...
Can someone clarify something for me?

I understand that the new DL miles will be awarded on money spent times your medallion standing.

But is the MQM miles still based on miles traveled?

I am a little disappointed that DL is not giving me as much miles to use for future travel, but in maintaining my Diamond status. So if I spend $1,100 on this "run" will I still get credit for the 22K miles for MQM but only 12K miles in the bank for award tickets?

I hope this makes sense and am sorry of this has been asked and answered...
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Old Dec 9, 2014, 10:49 pm
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MQM is still miles traveled on DL! RDM is a combination of miles traveled, status, DM, PM GM SM and cost of your ticket. With low cost tickets you won't be getting many RDM next year. This year SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO would give 25,318 MQM and same for next year but RDM this year for DM is about 56,699 for DM and 50,636 for PM and less for SM. Next year RDM would be much less on the fare we are posting. In many cases less than 10,000 RDM unless you have a high priced ticket. Next year MRnwill only be to keep my level and not RDM.

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Old Dec 17, 2014, 12:32 am
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Smile Back to SIN

Have been in rural Malaysia for past 4 days and not serviceable wifi or Internet. Leave tomorrow for PVG, will try to post some fares before dep. Looking forward to a flight on SQ A380 will be in Y class, can't afford suites.

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Old Dec 17, 2014, 8:16 am
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Old Dec 17, 2014, 8:28 am
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Smile Fares on Dec 18

LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
$982.00 ai 3.91 cpm Jan 12-15, Feb 2-5, 9-12, 23-26 BEST PRICE,
$992.00 ai 3.95 cpm Jan 26-29

Prices from Google.com/flights. Multi city. May very slightly from Delta.com but usually quite close

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Old Dec 23, 2014, 3:14 pm
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Smile Any MRers today SIN NRT LAX Last trip this year Dec 24

Great news, checked in and was UG as y was oversold. That will be nice between here and NRT, can only hope NRT LAX leg will be the same, are in 3B and C. Look for us in SC in NRT and LAX. Last stop will be SMF, home in time for Xmas? Spent last 5 days in China in Anji doing some work. Cold, nice to get warmed up in SIN. Flight between SIN PVG SIN was on SQ A380, great plane and great service as expected and great cabin crew, even help put your bags up in overhead bins. Great service and experience. Merry Christmas to all of you and thanks for your posts. How many readers made a MR this year after reading this thread!

Happy Travels! A Very Joyous and Merry Christmas to all of the readers and MRers! Cheers!
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 3:12 am
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Smile Fares Dec 28. Lowest fares from LAX 3.93 cpm

LAX DEP - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Fares from Google.com/flights
$987 ai 3.93 cpm Jan 12-15, 19-22, 26-29, Feb 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Mar 16-19, 23-26
$991 ai 3.95 cpm Apr 13-16, May 25-28
$1017 ai 4.05 cpm Feb 23-26
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Apr 27-30, May 4-7, 11-14, 18-21

SFO DEP - SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$998 ai 3.94 cpm May 25-28
$1061 ai 4.19 cpm Jan 12-15, 26-29, Feb 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, 23-26, Mar 16-19, 23-26, Apr 13-16, 20-23, 27-30, may 4-7, 11-14
$1065 ai 4.21 cpm Jan 19-22
$1147 ai 4.53 cpm Apr 6-9

SMF DEP - SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF 24,092 MQM
$1086 ai 4.5 cpm Jan 26-29, Feb 2-5
$1100 ai 4.56 cpm Apr 6-9
$1116 ai 4.63 cpm Jan 19-22
$1130 ai 4.69 cpm May 25-28
$1145 ai 4.75 cpm Apr 20-23, 27-30, Mat 4-7
$1161 ai 4.82 cpm Feb 16-19, Apr 13-16
$1202 ai 4.7 cpm Feb 9-12, Mar 16-19, 30-Apr 2
$1232 ai 5.1 cpm May 11-14
$1268 ai 5.26 cpm Jan 12-15

Dates not given, fares higher. Lowest fares from LAX at 3.93 cpm
Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! How many of those who have read this thread made a MR to SIN? Happy New Year! Cheers!

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Old Dec 28, 2014, 8:55 am
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Hi everyone

I am doing the MR to SIN tomorrow from JFK (JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK).on Delta. Has anyone done this run and then ventured into Singapore for a late dinner between 1AM and 5AM? Does anyone have any recommendations? Or do you advise against this? Thanks!
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by bricktop_za
Hi everyone

I am doing the MR to SIN tomorrow from JFK (JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK).on Delta. Has anyone done this run and then ventured into Singapore for a late dinner between 1AM and 5AM? Does anyone have any recommendations? Or do you advise against this? Thanks!
I have not.....though given the short arrival hour i wouldn't really recommend it. Dont imagine many places are open. Id say get a room in the transit hotel, shower and stretch out in a bed for a few hours, thats what i did
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 9:35 am
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can any of these MR's be done in 3 days? What is fastest turn around?
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by newfie
can any of these MR's be done in 3 days? What is fastest turn around?
The runs listed from LAX or SFO can be done in 72 hrs usually, dep on red eye and usually return in evening about 72 hrs later with 25,318 MQM from SFO and 25,096 MQM from LAX, easy run with a about 48-50 hrs of flying time and rest spent on layovers. Let me know if you have any more questions.
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by bricktop_za
Hi everyone

I am doing the MR to SIN tomorrow from JFK (JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK).on Delta. Has anyone done this run and then ventured into Singapore for a late dinner between 1AM and 5AM? Does anyone have any recommendations? Or do you advise against this? Thanks!
Depends how adventurous you are, lot of places to eat in town, ask your driver. There is a 50% surcharge on taxis between midnight and 6 am. Lots of places to eat in the airport and many shops open with lots to do in the different terminals from exercise, movies and orchid displays and koi ponds along with Christmas decorations, There are different lounges available, if you are in business class you will have access to the Skyview lounge in T1. If not you can go to lounge buddy which is a free ap and see what lounges are available, location and costs. If you have further questions send me a PM with phone number and I will be happy to call you. Enjoy your trip!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 3:33 pm
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Csfing1......thanks very helpful
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