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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Oct 29, 2015, 11:31 pm
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Smile Prices Oct 29, 2015 LAX Dep

Lax Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM

$850 ai 3.39 cpm Nov 9-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST FARE GREAT PRICE
$1331 ai 5.30 cpm Nov 2-5
$1395 ai 5.56 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1400 ai 5.58 cpm Nov 23-26

Dates not given even higher prices, for those in other locations take positioning flights to LAX and get the red eye from LAX JFK. That will increase your cpm cost but if you need the miles, bite the bullet and get the $850 flights while they are still available! Please post any trip reports! Thanks to all who have!

Please post any good fares you get with dates, all comments welcomed!

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Old Oct 29, 2015, 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by CarmenOM
If one has flexibility on dates, there are <$1000 fares to SIN from several cities in November --- LAX, SEA, PDX, JFK. But my base airport of MSP has nothing under $1700. Actually, the price drops on Thanksgiving Day --- to $1,699.30! Itineraries starting from DTW or ATL are even more expensive.
Take a positioning flight to LAX, the flights leaving there are throughout day and I usually try for the red eye so I have less time to wait in JFK for flight to NRT SIN. If you take the ones posted for $850 and can get to LAX and back for <$850 you end up ahead plus you get the MQM from your positioning flight if you do it on DL. Try that and see what you get. There are 3 dates for $850 fare which is 3.39 cpm a great price Nov 9-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10.

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Old Oct 30, 2015, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by CarmenOM
If one has flexibility on dates, there are <$1000 fares to SIN from several cities in November --- LAX, SEA, PDX, JFK. But my base airport of MSP has nothing under $1700. Actually, the price drops on Thanksgiving Day --- to $1,699.30! Itineraries starting from DTW or ATL are even more expensive.
MSP based here as well and have done this run a few times already, a positioning flight to LAX is easy enough, or you can do just jfk-sin for $700, if positioning there is easier/cheaper.
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Old Oct 31, 2015, 11:38 am
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Side question: Has anyone had any luck finding a routing that goes through DTW somehow, on a 747? As I've said im trying to do one more run this year, would love to get a upper deck seat on the 747 vs going direct from JFK
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Old Oct 31, 2015, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Side question: Has anyone had any luck finding a routing that goes through DTW somehow, on a 747? As I've said im trying to do one more run this year, would love to get a upper deck seat on the 747 vs going direct from JFK
12/4-7 SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO for $980 on ITA right now, 23608 MQM
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Old Oct 31, 2015, 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
12/4-7 SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO for $980 on ITA right now, 23608 MQM
Thanks!!!
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Old Nov 1, 2015, 2:51 am
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Side question: Has anyone had any luck finding a routing that goes through DTW somehow, on a 747? As I've said im trying to do one more run this year, would love to get a upper deck seat on the 747 vs going direct from JFK
Am doing SMF LAX IND DTW NRT SIN with DTW NRT leg Dec 2 and it is on A330 not a 747, not sure about other dates in Dec but am guessing they will be A330. Don't know date for last 747 DTW NRT. Did get one HKG INC on Korean Air and got upper deck in J there were a few empty seats on upper deck.

Return Dec 18 SIN NRT PDX SMF get about 21,000 MQM with that routing thru SMF LAX IND DTW NRT SIN NRT PDX SMF was too expensive to go to ATL JFK DTW on return.

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Old Nov 1, 2015, 5:17 am
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Am doing SMF LAX IND DTW NRT SIN with DTW NRT leg Dec 2 and it is on A330 not a 747, not sure about other dates in Dec but am guessing they will be A330. Don't know date for last 747 DTW NRT.
If I'm reading the flight schedule correctly, Mon-Wed is a 332 and Thu-Sun is a 744. Per the wiki on the DL 747 fleet operation thread this is seasonal and returns to daily 744 in March?
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Old Nov 1, 2015, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
If I'm reading the flight schedule correctly, Mon-Wed is a 332 and Thu-Sun is a 744. Per the wiki on the DL 747 fleet operation thread this is seasonal and returns to daily 744 in March?
Too bad, missed the 744 by one day! Was hoping I would get it!

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Old Nov 1, 2015, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
12/4-7 SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO for $980 on ITA right now, 23608 MQM
Dont suppose your able to find any routings that have the tcons still? IE LAX-JFK-DTW-NRT? Id love to get D1 on virtually every single flight :P
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Old Nov 2, 2015, 12:25 pm
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Here, in post #10 on a parallel thread, is what I was able to work out for MSP<->SIN via JFK, earning just over 24,000 MQM for $1175:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...jfk-700-a.html
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Old Nov 3, 2015, 12:48 am
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Still avail for $1236.60 out Apr 1, ret Apr 4. Thrru ATL instead of JFK, about $800 more and 684 less miles, 24,634 MQM, Later in Apr price is about $3000 for same routing, Mar fares are more or less the same, high.

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Old Nov 3, 2015, 1:02 pm
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Just booked LAX-JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN turn 12/4-8. Not sure if im keeping it though as it turns out the GUCs wouldnt cover the two transcons, and no upgrades showing currently for DTW-NRT-SIN and back. Was really hoping to get D1 all the way through and get to ride up top on the 744....Still figuring out my MSP-LAX positioning

Edited to add:

My other option is to change the return, so fly outbound LAX-JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN, use 1 RUC for LAX-JFK and one GUC for JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN and hope those all clear. Change my return to SIN-NRT-JFK loosing out on the 747 return for a 777, BUT then i can fly back JFK-LAX 'same day' and thus it would all be included under the 1 GUC for that. Saving me 1 RUC....

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Old Nov 3, 2015, 4:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
12/4-7 SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO for $980 on ITA right now, 23608 MQM
I'm struggling with how to get this booked exactly. There's an easy way on Google.com/flights?
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Old Nov 3, 2015, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
12/4-7 SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO for $980 on ITA right now, 23608 MQM
Is there an easy way to find these on ITA? I'm having trouble... Google.com/flights any easier?
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