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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#961
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 337
Yea, perhaps thats possible, maybe not, either way for 500 MQM's not worth the time honestly. Will keep in mind for future if difference is more substantial.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ge-policy.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ge-policy.html
#962
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Yea, perhaps thats possible, maybe not, either way for 500 MQM's not worth the time honestly. Will keep in mind for future if difference is more substantial.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ge-policy.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ge-policy.html
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#963
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NoVa/DC
Programs: DL DM, Fairmont Platinum, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Disney Platinum ;)
Posts: 1,003
I was bumped twice on Friday in ATL (ATL-MCO) so I have 2 $600 vouchers to burn. Not in a rush to use them. Will use them for SIN, HKG, or PVG sometime in 2016. SO happy, I never get bumped (or when I can be bumped I don't have the time).
#964
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Would like to have the same happen when I have the time to be bumped. Enjoy your flights!
Happy Travels! Cheers! ^
#965
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Flights Aug 25 LAX Dep
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Book using Kayak
$849 ai 3.39 cpm Oct 5-8, 19-22
$860 ai 3.43 cpm Nov 15-18
$939 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Nov 9-12
$1029 ai 4.1 cpm Oct 26-29
$1044 ai 4.16 cpm Nov 16-19
$1143 ai 4.55 cpm Sep 6-9, 7-10, Oct 12-15
$1311 ai 5.22 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1364 ai 5.44 cpm Nov 23-26
If you get lower fares please post! Comments welcomed!
Happy Travels! Cheere!
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Book using Kayak
$849 ai 3.39 cpm Oct 5-8, 19-22
$860 ai 3.43 cpm Nov 15-18
$939 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Nov 9-12
$1029 ai 4.1 cpm Oct 26-29
$1044 ai 4.16 cpm Nov 16-19
$1143 ai 4.55 cpm Sep 6-9, 7-10, Oct 12-15
$1311 ai 5.22 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1364 ai 5.44 cpm Nov 23-26
If you get lower fares please post! Comments welcomed!
Happy Travels! Cheere!
#967
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices posted are for 2015 MR
Correct, prices were posted Aug 25, 2015 and are for 2015. The low prices won't last long and if you are going to make a MR on DL, better get your e-ticket soon!
If you get lower prices or have comments or questions, please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
If you get lower prices or have comments or questions, please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#968
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: MLB
Programs: DL DM/2.9M, AA EXP, *A Gold
Posts: 245
Dude, you pulled this quote from Jan 17, 2013.... Why would you have a need to do this? I'm pretty sure we all know what year it is now. Adam's post was not only correct when he posted it, but it was also relevant to the discussion that was taking place at the time (unlike your post...)
#969
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Atlanta, GA & Milan, Italy
Posts: 2
How do you get Google flights to show more than 5 legs?
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Book using Kayak
$849 ai 3.39 cpm Oct 5-8, 19-22
$860 ai 3.43 cpm Nov 15-18
$939 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Nov 9-12
$1029 ai 4.1 cpm Oct 26-29
$1044 ai 4.16 cpm Nov 16-19
$1143 ai 4.55 cpm Sep 6-9, 7-10, Oct 12-15
$1311 ai 5.22 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1364 ai 5.44 cpm Nov 23-26
If you get lower fares please post! Comments welcomed!
Happy Travels! Cheere!
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Book using Kayak
$849 ai 3.39 cpm Oct 5-8, 19-22
$860 ai 3.43 cpm Nov 15-18
$939 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Nov 9-12
$1029 ai 4.1 cpm Oct 26-29
$1044 ai 4.16 cpm Nov 16-19
$1143 ai 4.55 cpm Sep 6-9, 7-10, Oct 12-15
$1311 ai 5.22 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1364 ai 5.44 cpm Nov 23-26
If you get lower fares please post! Comments welcomed!
Happy Travels! Cheere!
How do you get Google flights to show more than 5 legs? And how do you compute time zone changes when looking at flights?
Thanks!
Steve
ST
#970
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Programs: Delta Diamond, Delta 2MM, HHonors Gold, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 693
I'm doing this run in a few days. I'm staying 1 night in Singapore but the midnight arrival will be way too early to check in to my hotel. Is there an arrival lounge I can use my SkyClub membership for? A couple years ago, I had to use Priority Pass and pay something like $28 to hang in the SkyView lounge overnight.
Anything change in the past few years?
Anything change in the past few years?
#971
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices on Aug 30
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Book using Kayak
PRICES GOING UP!
$854 ai 3.40 cpm Sep 27-30 BEST PRICE
$939 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 19-22, Nov 9-12
$955 ai 3.81 cpm Oct 4-7
$1139 ai 4.54 cpm Sep 6-9, .Oct 26-29
$1244 ai 4.96 cpm Nov 2-5
$1369 ai 5.46 cpm Sep 7-10
If you get lower fares please post! Comments welcomed!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Fares from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Book using Kayak
PRICES GOING UP!
$854 ai 3.40 cpm Sep 27-30 BEST PRICE
$939 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 19-22, Nov 9-12
$955 ai 3.81 cpm Oct 4-7
$1139 ai 4.54 cpm Sep 6-9, .Oct 26-29
$1244 ai 4.96 cpm Nov 2-5
$1369 ai 5.46 cpm Sep 7-10
If you get lower fares please post! Comments welcomed!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#972
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
I'm doing this run in a few days. I'm staying 1 night in Singapore but the midnight arrival will be way too early to check in to my hotel. Is there an arrival lounge I can use my SkyClub membership for? A couple years ago, I had to use Priority Pass and pay something like $28 to hang in the SkyView lounge overnight.
Anything change in the past few years?
Anything change in the past few years?
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#973
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Can't help you get more than 5 flights on Google, don't know if Kayak will do it but you might try!
Cheers! Happy Travels!
#974
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Programs: Delta Diamond, Delta 2MM, HHonors Gold, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 693
Unfortunately no free lounge available unless you are in business class but there are lounges for a fee, check out Lounge Buddy which is a free ap, there is a sleeping area in terminal 1, you will have to ask where it is at the information desk. Am leaving SIN Aug 31 to return to SMF. Enjoy your trip! They are having elections here on Sep 11.
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
If I do get upgraded to biz, I can use the lounge on arrival at no charge?
Thanks, and safe travels back to SMF
#975
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NoVa/DC
Programs: DL DM, Fairmont Platinum, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Disney Platinum ;)
Posts: 1,003
Hey Mileage Lover what day are you in SIN? I'm also there for a day. I booked the transit hotel (T2 this time) for the night I arrive. I sleep there and then grab the train in after that. I'm in SIN on Saturday 9/5 with my return to the states on 9/6.
I'm waitlisted for SIN-NRT for this run and for my Thanksgiving run. All other segments have cleared (except one domestic segment and that's a whole other story). Thankfully my SIN-NRT shows 10 seats open in J. It was 11 until yesterday. No window seats. But I'll take a middle in J over any seat in Y. Hoping I clear prior to check-in but if I don't I can still use the lounge with my PP Select.
Now if I just didn't have to sit in DTW for 4 hours coming home. I'm going DTW-NYC and overnighting in NYC before my final leg (I'm very creative!). Staying with friends near LGA. But with schedule changes there is no way I'll make an earlier flight unless the earlier LGA flight is delayed (it happens). I'll happily sit in coach DTW-LGA if I can get out earlier. Can't wait. I start on Wednesday...repositioning to BOS ($747 ex-BOS fare!).
I'm waitlisted for SIN-NRT for this run and for my Thanksgiving run. All other segments have cleared (except one domestic segment and that's a whole other story). Thankfully my SIN-NRT shows 10 seats open in J. It was 11 until yesterday. No window seats. But I'll take a middle in J over any seat in Y. Hoping I clear prior to check-in but if I don't I can still use the lounge with my PP Select.
Now if I just didn't have to sit in DTW for 4 hours coming home. I'm going DTW-NYC and overnighting in NYC before my final leg (I'm very creative!). Staying with friends near LGA. But with schedule changes there is no way I'll make an earlier flight unless the earlier LGA flight is delayed (it happens). I'll happily sit in coach DTW-LGA if I can get out earlier. Can't wait. I start on Wednesday...repositioning to BOS ($747 ex-BOS fare!).