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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#751
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: PIT-SCE-AOO-PHL-NYC-WAS
Programs: free agent
Posts: 1,036
with delta's switch to $ instead of miles in 2015, and AS announcement on DL's V fare will earn only earn 50% miles... Would say that this run isn't gonna be useful next year . I was banking on some early year MR to SIN or BKK, and now have to look at other options...
#753
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Upstate, NY
Posts: 3,359
For anyone with this trip to SIN coming up in the near future....some suggestions/observations:
-Transit Hotel in Terminal 1 has a gym which costs $13.91 (Singaporean) to use. It is a one USE cost but they don't care how long you spend in there and that price includes use of a shower! After a long flight, and before a long return, it feels nice to just get some circulation going! One word of warning, the Changi wifi does NOT cover the gym!
-The foot/calve massagers are really nice but are intense!
-As you leave the Delta gate and head toward the main terminal 1 mall/shopping area...right between Marc Jacobs and Swarovski Crystals (they will be on your left and closed) is a hallway that leads to the 7/11 Convenience store that is open 24/7. Right there is also very large and VERY nice public restrooms.
-If you leave the 7/11 and restrooms and go STRAIGHT (crossing the walkway you came from) you will head to a small shopping area and internet point. There is a counter with lines of nice stools on either side. The counter has computers on one side AND an automated machine where you can get internet passwords. You just slide your passport in and it displays a code. The counter has universal outlets so you can plug in your laptop without needing a converter. (It is amusing to watch people plug their laptop into a converter, then plug the converter into the universal outlet out of habit!)
-On your return, both the Changi security and the Narita security people have a strange preoccupation with scissors. They pulled my luggage aside for an inspection based on my nose hair scissors AND my TINY sewing kit scissors! Do yourself a favor, if you have those types of scissors leave them home OR at least put them in a little plastic bag and take it out when you take your bag of fluids out. That way they can inspect the scissors without going through your whole bag.
-If you will be at Changi around 8:30-9 am or 3:30-4 pm....I definitely recommend visiting the Koi ponds! The best ones are probably the two small ones hidden away in the back corners of terminal 2. If you are there around those times you can watch them FEED the fish! Better you they will let YOU feed the fish! It is cool/unique experience!
So those are just some tips form my recent experience at Changi.... hope people find them helpful....If people have questions post them and I'm sure someone will have an answer!
-Transit Hotel in Terminal 1 has a gym which costs $13.91 (Singaporean) to use. It is a one USE cost but they don't care how long you spend in there and that price includes use of a shower! After a long flight, and before a long return, it feels nice to just get some circulation going! One word of warning, the Changi wifi does NOT cover the gym!
-The foot/calve massagers are really nice but are intense!
-As you leave the Delta gate and head toward the main terminal 1 mall/shopping area...right between Marc Jacobs and Swarovski Crystals (they will be on your left and closed) is a hallway that leads to the 7/11 Convenience store that is open 24/7. Right there is also very large and VERY nice public restrooms.
-If you leave the 7/11 and restrooms and go STRAIGHT (crossing the walkway you came from) you will head to a small shopping area and internet point. There is a counter with lines of nice stools on either side. The counter has computers on one side AND an automated machine where you can get internet passwords. You just slide your passport in and it displays a code. The counter has universal outlets so you can plug in your laptop without needing a converter. (It is amusing to watch people plug their laptop into a converter, then plug the converter into the universal outlet out of habit!)
-On your return, both the Changi security and the Narita security people have a strange preoccupation with scissors. They pulled my luggage aside for an inspection based on my nose hair scissors AND my TINY sewing kit scissors! Do yourself a favor, if you have those types of scissors leave them home OR at least put them in a little plastic bag and take it out when you take your bag of fluids out. That way they can inspect the scissors without going through your whole bag.
-If you will be at Changi around 8:30-9 am or 3:30-4 pm....I definitely recommend visiting the Koi ponds! The best ones are probably the two small ones hidden away in the back corners of terminal 2. If you are there around those times you can watch them FEED the fish! Better you they will let YOU feed the fish! It is cool/unique experience!
So those are just some tips form my recent experience at Changi.... hope people find them helpful....If people have questions post them and I'm sure someone will have an answer!
#754
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
#755
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Arrival in LAX
Have arrived in LAX, have one more leg to complete tomorrow LAX SMF and that will be completed by 12:30 pm. Iamhereandthere (looked for you in SC at JFK) went to SFO and one continued on LAX ATL tonight and last run tomorrow ATL CVG and works tomorrow afternoon. Comments from MRers from this trip will appear when they make a post.
We had a great time getting acquainted and even are considering doing another one next year. Month of choice would be Nov and purpose would be MQM as we wouldn't get many RDM.
Please let us know if you (if you haven't already) made a MR because of reading this thread! If you want RDM do this year not 2015 and rollover your MQM. K
Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
We had a great time getting acquainted and even are considering doing another one next year. Month of choice would be Nov and purpose would be MQM as we wouldn't get many RDM.
Please let us know if you (if you haven't already) made a MR because of reading this thread! If you want RDM do this year not 2015 and rollover your MQM. K
Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
#756
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Google.com/flights good for multi city booking
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#757
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
#758
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
End of MR
Have arrived at SMF, great run. One of group won't get home until Sun evening. Great to do with others with common interests. Cabin crews were great on all legs. Everyone else should be home by now. Will post some fares later.
Cheers!
Cheers!
#759
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: DTW, LAX, MBJ
Programs: AA, Delta Kryptonium (DM) Hyatt Diamond IHG Fake Plat (Ambassador), HH Gold
Posts: 832
Making a run Dec 12 LAX-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX
Priced on ITA at 1349 U fares outbound V fares return.
THe Diamond Desk said they see it but vould only book it at a Q fare 1800+ (ouch) Can anyone help?
Asked to use my GUC's looking at my reservation, not sure she did it right
Also how soon should I make a reservation at the transit hotel? Which one? Which Terminal/
Thanks in advance. I aapreciate any help and insight.
Maps
Priced on ITA at 1349 U fares outbound V fares return.
THe Diamond Desk said they see it but vould only book it at a Q fare 1800+ (ouch) Can anyone help?
Asked to use my GUC's looking at my reservation, not sure she did it right
Also how soon should I make a reservation at the transit hotel? Which one? Which Terminal/
Thanks in advance. I aapreciate any help and insight.
Maps
#760
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Dec 8-11 for $1039! 4.14 cpm
Making a run Dec 12 LAX-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX
Priced on ITA at 1349 U fares outbound V fares return.
THe Diamond Desk said they see it but vould only book it at a Q fare 1800+ (ouch) Can anyone help?
Asked to use my GUC's looking at my reservation, not sure she did it right
Also how soon should I make a reservation at the transit hotel? Which one? Which Terminal/
Thanks in advance. I aapreciate any help and insight.
Maps
Priced on ITA at 1349 U fares outbound V fares return.
THe Diamond Desk said they see it but vould only book it at a Q fare 1800+ (ouch) Can anyone help?
Asked to use my GUC's looking at my reservation, not sure she did it right
Also how soon should I make a reservation at the transit hotel? Which one? Which Terminal/
Thanks in advance. I aapreciate any help and insight.
Maps
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#761
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Making a run Dec 12 LAX-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX
Priced on ITA at 1349 U fares outbound V fares return.
THe Diamond Desk said they see it but vould only book it at a Q fare 1800+ (ouch) Can anyone help?
Asked to use my GUC's looking at my reservation, not sure she did it right
Also how soon should I make a reservation at the transit hotel? Which one? Which Terminal/
Thanks in advance. I aapreciate any help and insight.
Y
Maps
Priced on ITA at 1349 U fares outbound V fares return.
THe Diamond Desk said they see it but vould only book it at a Q fare 1800+ (ouch) Can anyone help?
Asked to use my GUC's looking at my reservation, not sure she did it right
Also how soon should I make a reservation at the transit hotel? Which one? Which Terminal/
Thanks in advance. I aapreciate any help and insight.
Y
Maps
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#762
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego
Programs: IHG Spire Amb, HH Diamond, DL Diamond and 1MM
Posts: 3,611
Well yes and no. I have four Delta GPU's. Wife wants to go to Borobudur this summer, and I can go most of the way there on Delta to SIN. Haven't called Delta Reservations yet to see if any USA-NRT transpac flights have immediate upgrade availability. So other than GPU-use, I see less value to this run, which is miserable in coach.
#763
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Last chance for this year! Fares on Dec 2
Last chance for this year LAX (better) and SFO Dep
$1044.50 ai 25,096 MQM 4.16 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1122.50 ai 25,518 MQM 4.43 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Other dates higher. If you need MQM this will probably be your last opportunity to get a MR at a reasonable cost for these itn.
Get fares on Google.com/flights, multi city, there will be 4 legs, LAX JFK, JFK SIN, SIN JFK, JFK LAX, pick flights, buy on Delta.com. Happy Travels!
Our last trip to SIN this year starts tomorrow evening, for work, Dec 3-24, SMF LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT LAX SMF, couldn't ret thru ATL and get home before Christmas.
Happy Travels! Have a Great week! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
$1044.50 ai 25,096 MQM 4.16 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1122.50 ai 25,518 MQM 4.43 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Other dates higher. If you need MQM this will probably be your last opportunity to get a MR at a reasonable cost for these itn.
Get fares on Google.com/flights, multi city, there will be 4 legs, LAX JFK, JFK SIN, SIN JFK, JFK LAX, pick flights, buy on Delta.com. Happy Travels!
Our last trip to SIN this year starts tomorrow evening, for work, Dec 3-24, SMF LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT LAX SMF, couldn't ret thru ATL and get home before Christmas.
Happy Travels! Have a Great week! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
#764
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: SZX(HKG), SFO
Programs: UA1K, AAEXP, CZ G, MU PLT, CA PLT, Hyatt D, Hilton D, Marriott PP
Posts: 45
another MR is coming
For anyone with this trip to SIN coming up in the near future....some suggestions/observations:
-Transit Hotel in Terminal 1 has a gym which costs $13.91 (Singaporean) to use. It is a one USE cost but they don't care how long you spend in there and that price includes use of a shower! After a long flight, and before a long return, it feels nice to just get some circulation going! One word of warning, the Changi wifi does NOT cover the gym!
-The foot/calve massagers are really nice but are intense!
-As you leave the Delta gate and head toward the main terminal 1 mall/shopping area...right between Marc Jacobs and Swarovski Crystals (they will be on your left and closed) is a hallway that leads to the 7/11 Convenience store that is open 24/7. Right there is also very large and VERY nice public restrooms.
-If you leave the 7/11 and restrooms and go STRAIGHT (crossing the walkway you came from) you will head to a small shopping area and internet point. There is a counter with lines of nice stools on either side. The counter has computers on one side AND an automated machine where you can get internet passwords. You just slide your passport in and it displays a code. The counter has universal outlets so you can plug in your laptop without needing a converter. (It is amusing to watch people plug their laptop into a converter, then plug the converter into the universal outlet out of habit!)
-On your return, both the Changi security and the Narita security people have a strange preoccupation with scissors. They pulled my luggage aside for an inspection based on my nose hair scissors AND my TINY sewing kit scissors! Do yourself a favor, if you have those types of scissors leave them home OR at least put them in a little plastic bag and take it out when you take your bag of fluids out. That way they can inspect the scissors without going through your whole bag.
-If you will be at Changi around 8:30-9 am or 3:30-4 pm....I definitely recommend visiting the Koi ponds! The best ones are probably the two small ones hidden away in the back corners of terminal 2. If you are there around those times you can watch them FEED the fish! Better you they will let YOU feed the fish! It is cool/unique experience!
So those are just some tips form my recent experience at Changi.... hope people find them helpful....If people have questions post them and I'm sure someone will have an answer!
-Transit Hotel in Terminal 1 has a gym which costs $13.91 (Singaporean) to use. It is a one USE cost but they don't care how long you spend in there and that price includes use of a shower! After a long flight, and before a long return, it feels nice to just get some circulation going! One word of warning, the Changi wifi does NOT cover the gym!
-The foot/calve massagers are really nice but are intense!
-As you leave the Delta gate and head toward the main terminal 1 mall/shopping area...right between Marc Jacobs and Swarovski Crystals (they will be on your left and closed) is a hallway that leads to the 7/11 Convenience store that is open 24/7. Right there is also very large and VERY nice public restrooms.
-If you leave the 7/11 and restrooms and go STRAIGHT (crossing the walkway you came from) you will head to a small shopping area and internet point. There is a counter with lines of nice stools on either side. The counter has computers on one side AND an automated machine where you can get internet passwords. You just slide your passport in and it displays a code. The counter has universal outlets so you can plug in your laptop without needing a converter. (It is amusing to watch people plug their laptop into a converter, then plug the converter into the universal outlet out of habit!)
-On your return, both the Changi security and the Narita security people have a strange preoccupation with scissors. They pulled my luggage aside for an inspection based on my nose hair scissors AND my TINY sewing kit scissors! Do yourself a favor, if you have those types of scissors leave them home OR at least put them in a little plastic bag and take it out when you take your bag of fluids out. That way they can inspect the scissors without going through your whole bag.
-If you will be at Changi around 8:30-9 am or 3:30-4 pm....I definitely recommend visiting the Koi ponds! The best ones are probably the two small ones hidden away in the back corners of terminal 2. If you are there around those times you can watch them FEED the fish! Better you they will let YOU feed the fish! It is cool/unique experience!
So those are just some tips form my recent experience at Changi.... hope people find them helpful....If people have questions post them and I'm sure someone will have an answer!
My next MR will start on 4 Dec from SIN, any one together? SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX
#765
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041