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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Mar 16, 2017, 6:55 pm
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Nichelle - NICE

And Vegas is usually a pretty cheap positioning flight.... hmmmm
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Old Mar 16, 2017, 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by bretthexum
Nichelle - NICE

And Vegas is usually a pretty cheap positioning flight.... hmmmm
Exactly.... hmmmm! Another flyer talker is doing a run on Memorial Day weekend. They're staying a day or two, however. I looked at doing a quick turn over the same weekend. And since the return leg can route through MSP, one can do the full run or stop then.

There are quite a few possibilities. Were you looking to spend some time in Singapore? I can't recall.
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Old Mar 17, 2017, 7:45 am
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nichelle, I'd like to spend at least a few days there if I can. Maybe I'll go twice this year though...
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Old Mar 18, 2017, 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by nichelle
There are good prices out of Vegas for the month of May for quick turns.

Example for 5/10 departure:

LAS/ATL/DTW/NRT/SIN/NRT/PDX/MSP/LAS

Price: $699

There are quite a few different routes with multiple departure dates around $700
Booked! Thanks Nichelle.

Flying out 5/10, returning 5/16.
Going LAS-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-MSP-LAS.

$710.06. 23,620 MQM - 3.00 cpm.
Applied GUC to DTW-NRT and NRT-DTW - waitlisted.
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Old Mar 18, 2017, 11:58 pm
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Originally Posted by kxc262
Booked! Thanks Nichelle.

Flying out 5/10, returning 5/16.
Going LAS-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-MSP-LAS.

$710.06. 23,620 MQM - 3.00 cpm.
Applied GUC to DTW-NRT and NRT-DTW - waitlisted.
You're welcome Have a great trip (hopefully in D1)!
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Old Mar 23, 2017, 9:51 am
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I'll run this in July.

Need to be in KUL July 17-20.

1 person would be flying from ATL the other from SFO.

Tips welcome. I'll be looking at prices the next few days!
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 11:24 am
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Just booked my first MR, and I'm staying a couple of days. Thanks Nichelle.

Flying out 5/10, returning 5/15.
I live in Detroit (DTW) but >$1000 out of DTW and my companies HQ is in Chicago so this will work out nicely.

Going MDW-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-(MDW, will get off at DTW on the way back)

$624.06. 20,442 MQM - 3.05 cpm.
Only Gold currently so no GUCs.

kxc262 - I will see you in Detroit on the 10th.

Now time to do more research on where to stay. Was thinking one night @ the Sands (I want a picture from the pool) and then another night at Hotel Boss, but I am open to the best food and nightlife areas (more bars and lounges, not clubs) so I'd love some assistance in those areas for the well traveled in Singapore.
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Old Mar 26, 2017, 1:58 am
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Smile Summer months unfortunately are usually higher fares

Originally Posted by Myopia
I'll run this in July.

Need to be in KUL July 17-20.

1 person would be flying from ATL the other from SFO.

Tips welcome. I'll be looking at prices the next few days!
Unfortunately the prices are a lot higher during the month of July. Try and see what you get. It is worthwhile to visit SIN anytime of the year but during the summer and holidays you will have to pay higher prices. Let us know what you find. You can try various combinations as your starting point but that will require a positioning flight from wherever you start. Usually but not always prices are lower from the West Coast, try different cities including LAS. You can search with google.com/flights Let us know what you get and if you have any questions.
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Old Mar 26, 2017, 9:29 am
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HOU-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-ATL-HOU $732 r/t 5/17-19/17; 5/21-23/17
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Old Mar 26, 2017, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by AdamY
Just booked my first MR, and I'm staying a couple of days. Thanks Nichelle.

Flying out 5/10, returning 5/15.
I live in Detroit (DTW) but >$1000 out of DTW and my companies HQ is in Chicago so this will work out nicely.

Going MDW-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-(MDW, will get off at DTW on the way back)

$624.06. 20,442 MQM - 3.05 cpm.
Only Gold currently so no GUCs.

kxc262 - I will see you in Detroit on the 10th.

Now time to do more research on where to stay. Was thinking one night @ the Sands (I want a picture from the pool) and then another night at Hotel Boss, but I am open to the best food and nightlife areas (more bars and lounges, not clubs) so I'd love some assistance in those areas for the well traveled in Singapore.
Well, that certainly did work out nicely! Have a great trip
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Old Mar 27, 2017, 1:03 am
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Nichelle - thank you

. Nichelle, thank you for your posts and helping answer questions that readers ask. To all MRers please post your reports and comments and anyone with questions or comments please post and especially if you have lower fares! Have a wonderful day and great Week! Blessings!
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Old Mar 28, 2017, 9:27 am
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Final Leg Drop?

Originally Posted by AdamY
Just booked my first MR, and I'm staying a couple of days. Thanks Nichelle.

Flying out 5/10, returning 5/15.
I live in Detroit (DTW) but >$1000 out of DTW and my companies HQ is in Chicago so this will work out nicely.

Going MDW-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-(MDW, will get off at DTW on the way back)

$624.06. 20,442 MQM - 3.05 cpm.
Only Gold currently so no GUCs.

kxc262 - I will see you in Detroit on the 10th.

Now time to do more research on where to stay. Was thinking one night @ the Sands (I want a picture from the pool) and then another night at Hotel Boss, but I am open to the best food and nightlife areas (more bars and lounges, not clubs) so I'd love some assistance in those areas for the well traveled in Singapore.
Maybe a noob question, but I have read horror stories of people MRing, jumping off a leg early to reposition home, and losing all mileage credit for the preceding legs....Maybe this is only with certain airlines? Figured I would mention it just in case....Cheers!
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Old Mar 28, 2017, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by creasekeeper
Maybe a noob question, but I have read horror stories of people MRing, jumping off a leg early to reposition home, and losing all mileage credit for the preceding legs....Maybe this is only with certain airlines? Figured I would mention it just in case....Cheers!

Thanks for pointing that out as it may be valid with some airlines. I've done this a couple times with Delta and haven't lost anything besides the leg I didn't take. I will research it again before I leave as I can get an ORD/MDW-> for ~10K FF miles.
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Old Mar 28, 2017, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by creasekeeper
Maybe a noob question, but I have read horror stories of people MRing, jumping off a leg early to reposition home, and losing all mileage credit for the preceding legs....Maybe this is only with certain airlines? Figured I would mention it just in case....Cheers!
I've also jumped off a leg early with Delta - a couple times - and everything I actually flew posted correctly.

I've heard people suggest claiming sudden illness if ever challenged. I think if it is just a single occurrence, or a few widely spaced occurrences, there shouldn't be a problem.

THE LEG I SKIPPED WAS THE FINAL VERY LAST LEG.

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Old Mar 28, 2017, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by Romelle
I've also jumped off a leg early with Delta - a couple times - and everything I actually flew posted correctly.

I've heard people suggest claiming sudden illness if ever challenged. I think if it is just a single occurrence, or a few widely spaced occurrences, there shouldn't be a problem.
Awesome! Great to know for future reference! Thanks!

Originally Posted by AdamY
Thanks for pointing that out as it may be valid with some airlines. I've done this a couple times with Delta and haven't lost anything besides the leg I didn't take. I will research it again before I leave as I can get an ORD/MDW-> for ~10K FF miles.
That is GREAT to know! I've run a few extra legs at times since I was worried my entire itinerary would be canceled due to missing a segment.

Thanks so much for the reply, and Happy Running!

Originally Posted by Romelle
I've also jumped off a leg early with Delta - a couple times - and everything I actually flew posted correctly.

I've heard people suggest claiming sudden illness if ever challenged. I think if it is just a single occurrence, or a few widely spaced occurrences, there shouldn't be a problem.
Fantastic info, thanks for posting!!!

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