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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#1846
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: PDX|AKL|AMS|GVA|AGP|CPT - or somewhere in between
Programs: DL DM; 2MM
Posts: 2,418
I've been monitoring these dates and fares until last night. Just checked again - ready to pull the trigger - and the price went up by approx $200 to $912/$916
#1847
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Book your flight as soon as you see a price you are willing to pay!
If you have any other questions, let me know. Thanks for your post and comments and I hope the fares come down, they did last week as they also went up and then came down. Just have to wait and see if you are blessed or fortunate depending on your point of view.
#1848
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: PDX|AKL|AMS|GVA|AGP|CPT - or somewhere in between
Programs: DL DM; 2MM
Posts: 2,418
That is as bit annoying, had reply for you and than it disappeared. Sorry you didn't get the flight at the price you wanted but when you see it and the price is ok, you need to commit and get your ticket. You can call the DM desk and they can book the ticket for you. I have not been able to do it any other way. Usually the price is within $30-$50 of google.com/flights and sometimes as good or lower. The folk at the DM desk are very nice, polite and helpful. I get the flights from google.com/flights and then give the DM desk the info including flight # and see what price they get making sure they are not E class fares which are not upgradeable and will usually get you a middle seat. It makes it a lot easier for them if you can give them the flight numbers. If you book after MN PST you will have almost 48 hrs to cancel which is how I did my booking on Thr night about 1 am, had until MN Sat to cancel if I wanted to but my wife agreed to go with me so no cancellation was made and we were going to use her GUC and save mine for later.
If you have any other questions, let me know. Thanks for your post and comments and I hope the fares come down, they did last week as they also went up and then came down. Just have to wait and see if you are blessed or fortunate depending on your point of view.
If you have any other questions, let me know. Thanks for your post and comments and I hope the fares come down, they did last week as they also went up and then came down. Just have to wait and see if you are blessed or fortunate depending on your point of view.
Thanks very much for your response and I really appreciate your encouragement !
Actually, I couldn't believe my eyes, but that has happened many a time with Delta
I've done this MR - actually more of a vaca-run - before, but for a much higher price.
So I was excited to pull up the fares that you quote so diligently every day and be able to actually book online.
The way I get my fares is by ItaMatrix, price out the desired itin and then take it over to "BookwithMatrix" and voilà, there's the link to "Bookwith Delta". That way I can use any credits or vouchers in my account and have complete oversight (avoid the nasty e-fare) without having to call the D-line.
I save my GUC's for the longhauls to SYD in Y that I make to get to New Zealand (where home is some of the time).
And in the meantime I've found a similar fare in the low $700's from LAX and LAS - no deterrent for me since I've got to make a positioning flight from PDX anyway.
Now I'll monitor SFO again with the confidence that what goes up, must come down (eventually)
Again, Many Thanks !
#1849
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Thanks for your post and information!
Thanks very much for your response and I really appreciate your encouragement !
Actually, I couldn't believe my eyes, but that has happened many a time with Delta
I've done this MR - actually more of a vaca-run - before, but for a much higher price.
So I was excited to pull up the fares that you quote so diligently every day and be able to actually book online.
The way I get my fares is by ItaMatrix, price out the desired itin and then take it over to "BookwithMatrix" and voilà, there's the link to "Bookwith Delta". That way I can use any credits or vouchers in my account and have complete oversight (avoid the nasty e-fare) without having to call the D-line.
I save my GUC's for the longhauls to SYD in Y that I make to get to New Zealand (where home is some of the time).
And in the meantime I've found a similar fare in the low $700's from LAX and LAS - no deterrent for me since I've got to make a positioning flight from PDX anyway.
Now I'll monitor SFO again with the confidence that what goes up, must come down (eventually)
Again, Many Thanks !
Actually, I couldn't believe my eyes, but that has happened many a time with Delta
I've done this MR - actually more of a vaca-run - before, but for a much higher price.
So I was excited to pull up the fares that you quote so diligently every day and be able to actually book online.
The way I get my fares is by ItaMatrix, price out the desired itin and then take it over to "BookwithMatrix" and voilà, there's the link to "Bookwith Delta". That way I can use any credits or vouchers in my account and have complete oversight (avoid the nasty e-fare) without having to call the D-line.
I save my GUC's for the longhauls to SYD in Y that I make to get to New Zealand (where home is some of the time).
And in the meantime I've found a similar fare in the low $700's from LAX and LAS - no deterrent for me since I've got to make a positioning flight from PDX anyway.
Now I'll monitor SFO again with the confidence that what goes up, must come down (eventually)
Again, Many Thanks !
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#1850
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: PDX|AKL|AMS|GVA|AGP|CPT - or somewhere in between
Programs: DL DM; 2MM
Posts: 2,418
February 20-23
LAS ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW ATL LAS - 24,088 MQM - $708.36 ai 2.94 cpm
LAS ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAS 23,804 MQM - $703.86 ai 2.96 cpm
LAX ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW ATL LAX 24,486 MQM - $734.36 ai 3.00 cpm
LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX 24,202 MQM - $729.86 ai 3.02 cpm
#1851
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares on Feb 8
Tonight there is only one fare at a reasonable price and that is $731 ai 3.01 cpm for Feb 20-23. LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX 24,248 MQM.
Fare from google.com/flights. Tried dates thru Apr with SFO and LAX dep and this was the only one under $800. Even tried this date for LAS and it was over $800. Keep checking and if you get any good fares, please post.
Fare from google.com/flights. Tried dates thru Apr with SFO and LAX dep and this was the only one under $800. Even tried this date for LAS and it was over $800. Keep checking and if you get any good fares, please post.
#1852
Join Date: Nov 2014
Programs: DL DM, UA, AA EXP, AS MVP75K GOLD, HHonors Diamond, BW Diamond, SPG Gold, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 382
Fares in October (2017)
Los Angeles
October 1 -3
LAX-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX - 23,485 MQM - $749.36 ai 3.18 cpm
October 10 -12
LAX-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX - 23,485 MQM - $749.36 ai 3.18 cpm
Las Vegas
October 13 -16
LAS-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAS - 23,019 MQM's - $706.40 ai 3.07 cpm
October 1 -3
LAX-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX - 23,485 MQM - $749.36 ai 3.18 cpm
October 10 -12
LAX-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX - 23,485 MQM - $749.36 ai 3.18 cpm
Las Vegas
October 13 -16
LAS-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAS - 23,019 MQM's - $706.40 ai 3.07 cpm
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#1853
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Good News
UG DTW NRT 1and 2 on UG list, there are 18 seats and one left on UD and already cleared UG NRT SIN. Also in J ATL DTW but not SFO ATL. Will see how trip goes and send reports. Not as many open seats on ret but are waitlisted NRT DTW. Will see how things go. Blessings and have a great week! John Delta thank you so much for posting the Oct fares, they are really great fares, if you get any others, please let us know!
#1854
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Waiting at SC in SFO
UG DTW NRT 1and 2 on UG list, there are 18 seats and one left on UD and already cleared UG NRT SIN. Also in J ATL DTW but not SFO ATL. Will see how trip goes and send reports. Not as many open seats on ret but are waitlisted NRT DTW. Will see how things go. Blessings and have a great week! John Delta thank you so much for posting the Oct fares, they are really great fares, if you get any others, please let us know!
#1855
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
On Board ATL DTW
6 min after landing is time to board, time to pick up paper in SC at A17 and than board at A20. Still 1 and 2 for UG DTW NRT with 17 spaces open! Happy Travels and Happy Valentines Day to all. At least my Valentine is with me today! Blessings to all!
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#1857
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
In Dnata lounge in SIN
So far so good, not sure about UG on return. Have tried to check in on line but haven't been able to do it so far. Want to see where we are on UG list NRT DTW as there are only a few spaces left. Tried in NRT and was not successful so will try again here. When are you doing your MR?
#1858
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Programs: Delta DM / 1M, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC, Emerald Club Exec
Posts: 500
So far so good, not sure about UG on return. Have tried to check in on line but haven't been able to do it so far. Want to see where we are on UG list NRT DTW as there are only a few spaces left. Tried in NRT and was not successful so will try again here. When are you doing your MR?
This will be my first one for the year since I didn't actually fly for the last one!
#1860
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
UG NRT DTW came thru
Got UG at gate, could have had UG SIN NRT as well if lady in SIN had better info as she said there was no J open NRT DTW and there were 5 seats open and she could have given us UG SIN NRT but I chose not to use GUC for only that leg. With more accurate info I might have accepted that. Arrival at NRT confirmed 5 seats and we were 3&4 on UG list. Nothing open in J for DTW ATL SFO but those are short compared to SIN NRT DTW with time of almost 20 hrs out and 17:23 in. Clearing immig, customs and security was a breeze with GOES, CLEAR, Prechek in DTW. Got CLEAR in DTW for my wife on way out and used on return opting to exit after customs as TSA there has no PreChek. Go outside and upstairs and do security with CLEAR and PreChek in minutes. If you are a DM it is free for a year, another useful benefit of DM. This MR will add 24,918 MQM to our totals for the year at a cost of 2.90 cpm. All in all the FA were very helpful and gracious and one of them on NRT DTW seg remembered us from DTW NRT on Tue. Happy Travels! Post reports and lower prices and any comments, enjoy your MR and do them early. Don't wait till Dec, plan ahead! 🙂 🙂 Blessings to all. Enjoy and be thankful for the privilege of travel!
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