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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Feb 1, 2017, 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO 24,634 MQM
Prices from Google.com/flights
Dates not given higher prices
Disclaimer, some fares may be E-class which are not upgradeable

$714-718 ai 2.91 cpm Feb 6-9, 13-16m 20-23, 27-Mar 2, 6-9, 13-16, Apr 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, May 1-4, 8-11, Jun 5-8 Best Price
$734 ai 2.98 cpm Mar 27--30
$814 ai 3.30 cpm May 15-18
$880-884 ai 3.59 cpm Mar 20-23, May 22-25
$939 ai 3.81 cpm Apr 24-27

LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX 24,248 MQM
$707 ai 2.92 cpm Feb 6-9, 20-23
$779 ai 3.21 cpm Mar 6-9
$789 ai 3.23 cpm May 1-3

Happy Travels! Please post lower prices and trip reports. Get your Flu shot! Blessings to all!
I haven't had time to do a lot of searches yet, but from the handful I did it appears that the SFO fares are hanging in there as V class fares. Most of the lowest LAX fares, however, are now E class. Thanks for mentioning the risk - now we all know to watch out for these.
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Old Feb 3, 2017, 5:47 am
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Feb 15th-19th $742 SFO-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN/SIN-NRT-ATL-SFO. Would give 2 full days in SIN
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Originally Posted by McMichaelNY
Delta JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN-ATL-JFK 21,172 MQM for $761.56 for Friday - Monday 6/9 - 6/12

I just booked this MR and added an additional day to see Singapore. This will be my second MR and looking forward to seeing the city this time.
Hey I might join you but thinking of doing 6/8- 6/13 JFK ATL DTW NRT SIN-NRT DTW ATL JFK $717 ON V CLASS MQMs 22160
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Old Feb 4, 2017, 10:16 pm
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Smile Welcome to FT

Originally Posted by Yidy
Hey I might join you but thinking of doing 6/8- 6/13 JFK ATL DTW NRT SIN-NRT DTW ATL JFK $717 ON V CLASS MQMs 22160
Welcome to FT and great to see your first post - please note fares in next post.
Enjoy your MR to SIN and if you can spend a few days and look around you will enjoy it. Worked there from 82-97 and usually go back multiple times a year for business and occas MR as that is where I can get the most miles in the least time at the lowest cost. Keep posting.

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Blessings!
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Old Feb 4, 2017, 11:04 pm
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Prices on evening of Feb 4 - SFO dep

SFO dep SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO - 24,634 MQM

Prices from Google.com/flights - disclaimer - some of them may be E-class fares which are not upgradeable. When I purchase my tickets I usually do it thru the DM desk, no extra charge and you have to give them the flight numbers which you can get from google.com/flights. I usually select the evening flight out of SFO so you don't have to overnite in ATL. Dates not given are usually higher prices and I didn't even bother to check in July or Aug which are usually high season and higher prices. Can't do multicity on DL.com

$705-710 ai 2.88 cpm Oct 16-19, 30-Nov 2, Dec 4-7, Sep 11-14, Oct 9-12 Lowest Price
$714 ai 2.90 cpm Feb 6-9, 12-15, 13-16, Mar 6-9, 13-16, Apr 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, May 1-4, 8-11, 15-18, Sep 25-28, Oct 2-5, 23-26, Nov 6-9 27-30 Great price!

$719-721 ai 2.93 cpm Feb 11-14, 27-Mar 2, 20-23, Apr 24-27, Jun 5-8, Nov 13-16
$724 ai 2.94 cpm Sep 18-21 Still great prices

$820 ai 3.33 cpm Mar 27-30
$880 ai 3.57 cpm Feb 20-23, May 22-25

In the weeks the prices are low, you can try other dates and often you will get similar prices, occasionally it will make a big difference and if you want to stay several nights put in dates which will go along with your wishes. I only stay if I have work to do and when it is a MR want a fast out and back. Any price under $750 is a great price and sometimes routing it through DTW will give a lower price which is what we did for Feb 13-16 and it gives a few more MQM as well. We are using my wife's GUC for this trip and have requested the DTW NRT and NRT DTW sectors and are waitlisted, once those are cleared then will apply for NRT SIN sectors. Will see how things go as there are a reasonable amount of seats in J and might even make UD on outbound as there were 5 seats left there 2 days ago and 16 on the LD. Will just have to wait and see what happens. We still with some of you would join us on the MR!

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Post lower prices and questions and comments. Blessings to all and have a great week! If you can join us for this run please do so SFO ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW ATL SFO

Last edited by Csfing1; Feb 5, 2017 at 1:26 pm Reason: Correct dates
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Old Feb 5, 2017, 12:12 am
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Originally Posted by Yidy
Hey I might join you but thinking of doing 6/8- 6/13 JFK ATL DTW NRT SIN-NRT DTW ATL JFK $717 ON V CLASS MQMs 22160
It would be nice to meet up with someone from the forums 😊
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Old Feb 5, 2017, 6:21 pm
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Trying to build it out in ITA. Anyone have link for April 10-13?

SFO-ATL 4/10
ATL-SIN 4/10
SIN-ATL 4/13
ATL-SFO 4/13

finding Delta at 6000+
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Old Feb 5, 2017, 7:08 pm
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Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
Trying to build it out in ITA. Anyone have link for April 10-13?
It comes up for me in ITA.

DL booking link generated w/userscript
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Old Feb 5, 2017, 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
Trying to build it out in ITA. Anyone have link for April 10-13?

SFO-ATL 4/10
ATL-SIN 4/10 CHANGE DATE TO 4/11
SIN-ATL 4/13
ATL-SFO 4/13

finding Delta at 6000+
SFO ATL 4/10
ATL SIN 4/11
SIN ATL 4/13
ATL SIN 4/13

Zorak is correct but you have to change date for ATL SIN to 4/11
I just did it as well. Price was $714 Since you are PM - call PM desk and have them book ticket for you there is no extra charge but you have to give them the flight number to get the price, make sure it is not an E fare. Try routing through DTW eg SFO ATL DTW SIN DTW ATL SFO (you automatically go thru NRT on outbound and inbound legs).

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Blessings to all and have a great week, someone join us Feb 13-16. Please post lower fares and questions and comments!

Last edited by Csfing1; Feb 5, 2017 at 9:33 pm Reason: Add information and price
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Old Feb 5, 2017, 10:03 pm
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I mentioned this to dinanm3atl already, but to repeat for anyone else considering a SIN run around those dates: the FlyerTalk Japan DO is going on from 4/13-15.

(I will also be in NRT on 4/12, arriving from TPE on the 2nd leg of a trip. I'm not going to the FT DO, just coincidentally arriving around the same time going on a land tour in Japan)
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Old Feb 5, 2017, 11:53 pm
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Smile Price for Feb 13-16 SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO & SFO ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW ATL SFO

Just called DM desk and was helped by Katy - she made some changes in reservations and I asked her to price out our itinerary and here is what she gave me

SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO 24,248 MQM - $719.46 ai 2.97 cpm
SFO ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW ATL SFO - 24,918 MQM - $723.96 ai 2.90 cpm which is only $.40 more than our price of $723.56

So if anyone wants to join us, please do so the price is great and you probably won't get any better prices for the rest of the year. Our upgrades have not cleared for DTW NRT or NRT DTW so will just have to wait and see. Once those clear will request NRT SIN legs.

Last edited by Csfing1; Feb 6, 2017 at 12:23 am Reason: Correct data
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Old Feb 6, 2017, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Just called DM desk and was helped by Katy - she made some changes in reservations and I asked her to price out our itinerary and here is what she gave me

SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO 24,248 MQM - $719.46 ai 2.97 cpm
SFO ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW ATL SFO - 24,918 MQM - $723.96 ai 2.90 cpm which is only $.40 more than our price of $723.56

So if anyone wants to join us, please do so the price is great and you probably won't get any better prices for the rest of the year. Our upgrades have not cleared for DTW NRT or NRT DTW so will just have to wait and see. Once those clear will request NRT SIN legs.
Wow, those prices are great!

My GUC's have cleared for the NRT / DTW legs both ways for my trip in March. I'm still waitlisted for the NRT / SIN / NRT legs as well as one of the domestic legs.
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Old Feb 6, 2017, 11:01 am
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Congratulations on UG clearing

How many seats were open when your UG cleared DTW NRT and NRT DTW? Have a great day!
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Old Feb 6, 2017, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
How many seats were open when your UG cleared DTW NRT and NRT DTW? Have a great day!
I didn't look up open seats by fare class so the seat map is the best info I have. The return flight just cleared last Thursday. Today, the seat map shows 24 open seats in Delta One for that one. The outbound cleared in early January (one week after I booked the flight). When I booked there were only 2 seats showing as occupied in Delta One.

Hope that helps.
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Old Feb 6, 2017, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Welcome to FT and great to see your first post - please note fares in next post.
Enjoy your MR to SIN and if you can spend a few days and look around you will enjoy it. Worked there from 82-97 and usually go back multiple times a year for business and occas MR as that is where I can get the most miles in the least time at the lowest cost. Keep posting.

Happy Travels! Get your Flu shot! Blessings!
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