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Old May 19, 2020, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
The article from CDC:

How COVID-19 Spreads

How much confidence should this be given?
It depends, who wrote it, and who is editing that website...Also, was it edited with a sharpie, like the NOAA hurricane map?

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Old May 20, 2020, 12:01 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
The article from CDC:

How COVID-19 Spreads
How much confidence should this be given?
None if you're stricken with fear, and you feverishly wipe down every surface around you while wearing gloves.

If you're using your brain, you would know that a respiratory virus spreads by air... that's what "respiratory" means! The only reason this is news is because there are so many hysterical people out there wanting the whole world to be wiped down with sanitizer.

Unchecked fear is going to do far more damage than this virus.
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Old May 20, 2020, 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by Kevin AA
None if you're stricken with fear, and you feverishly wipe down every surface around you while wearing gloves.

If you're using your brain, you would know that a respiratory virus spreads by air... that's what "respiratory" means! The only reason this is news is because there are so many hysterical people out there wanting the whole world to be wiped down with sanitizer.

Unchecked fear is going to do far more damage than this virus.
It's called a respiratory virus because it affects the lungs, not because it spreads by air. That would be an airborne virus. There are indeed respiratory viruses that spread by other means than airborne - here's an overview if you want some bedtime reading: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...79625717301773

Let's keep the fact-based reporting threads full of facts, please.
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Old May 20, 2020, 12:12 am
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
It's called a respiratory virus because it affects the lungs, not because it spreads by air. That would be an airborne virus. There are indeed respiratory viruses that spread by other means than airborne - here's an overview if you want some bedtime reading: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...79625717301773

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Indeed, like the fact that coronavirus is spread through the air.
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Old May 20, 2020, 12:13 am
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Originally Posted by Kevin AA
Indeed, like the fact that coronavirus is spread through the air.
Correct - but that's not the nonsense that was your previous post.
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Old May 20, 2020, 2:05 am
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
Correct - but that's not the nonsense that was your previous post.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that coronavirus can be spread by surfaces? And if so, how does that compare to airborne transmission?

The Nevada Gaming Commission's regulations that casinos must check temperatures before entering and wipe down slot machines and chips is merely to make people feel better. It is not rooted in science.
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Old May 20, 2020, 2:32 am
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Originally Posted by Kevin AA
None if you're stricken with fear, and you feverishly wipe down every surface around you while wearing gloves.
Strange to find myself in a certain agreement with Kevin

There's a lot of hysterics and theatre going on - the worst is the spraying of disinfectants on the streets or army units in full ABC protective clothing disinfecting old peoples' homes aka senior assisted living facilities. Makes good PR, achieves nothing.
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Old May 20, 2020, 2:55 am
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...read-virus-all


That’s why in addition to R, scientists use a value called the dispersion factor (k), which describes how much a disease clusters. The lower k is, the more transmission comes from a small number of people. In a seminal 2005 Nature paper, Lloyd-Smith and co-authors estimated that SARS—in which superspreading played a major role—had a k of 0.16. The estimated k for MERS, which emerged in 2012, is about 0.25. In the flu pandemic of 1918, in contrast, the value was about one, indicating that clusters played less of a role.

Estimates of k for SARS-CoV-2 vary. In January, Julien Riou and Christian Althaus at the University of Bern simulated the epidemic in China for different combinations of R and k and compared the outcomes with what had actually taken place. They concluded that k for COVID-19 is somewhat higher than for SARS and MERS. That seems about right, says Gabriel Leung, a modeler at the University of Hong Kong. “I don’t think this is quite like SARS or MERS, where we observed very large superspreading clusters,” Leung says. “But we are certainly seeing a lot of concentrated clusters where a small proportion of people are responsible for a large proportion of infections.” But in a recent preprint, Adam Kucharski of LSHTM estimated that k for COVID-19 is as low as 0.1. “Probably about 10% of cases lead to 80% of the spread,” Kucharski says.
Interesting paper which partially agrees with Kevin AA (which is in itself is some sort of Christmas miracle). And this goes in the same direction: https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the...hem-avoid-them
This should help up shape our response in the months to come. Which
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Old May 20, 2020, 6:59 am
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Originally Posted by Kevin AA
Indeed, like the fact that coronavirus is spread through the air.
Sounds like you are on board with mandatory masks on airplanes and in most densely populated businesses.

It is droplet spread and droplets are heavy and spend very little of their lifetime in the air before they dry out and the virus becomes non-infectious.
Almost all viral load ORIGINATES in the air, but does not EXIST in the air.

Here is how long, and how much, infectious virus you can pick up from hard surfaces, and don't forget your own body, hair and clothing are surfaces.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...3Dihub#ecomp10
Click on the appendix to see the log data at each time frame for each surface.

CDC says 700k PFU gets a macaque an asymptomatic case and 2.6 million PFU gets a symptomatic case. So keeping your own personal dose minimized at any point in time matters in your case severity. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...2020_04_14.pdf
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Old May 20, 2020, 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Knowing what we know today exactly what is the right thing?
1) Listen to the real scientists. Both CDC and WHO made their share of mistake but both organizations, in particular CDC, have a number of highly experienced epidemiologists. CDC scientists developed a detailed re-opening plan a few months ago that's getting buried by the White House and CDC leadership. While slower than "let's just reopen and see what happens", it does offers a clear path to re-open the country.

2) Stop manipulating the numbers as we recently see in Georgia posting a bogus chart, Florida hiding the number of death, or the government falsely claiming that we have the same death rate compared to Germany. If you don't know where the problem is you can't fix it. It's funny that we accuse the Chinese government of hiding things when we do the same

3) Be humble and learn a few things from the countries that have the virus reasonably under control ... South Korea, Singapore and even China / Hong Kong. All of them have re-opened. How did they archive that while still keeping the infection number low?

4) and please drop the hydroxychloroquine thing. It's a distraction from tackling an already very difficult situation. Plus we don't need a wonder drug to re-open.
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Old May 20, 2020, 9:17 am
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I appreciate the answers to my question earlier in the thread, The problem, as I see it, is there are so many different points of view from so-called experts being made public that a regular person like myself doesn't know which ones to believe. In my opinion taking a more conservative approach to protecting myself while in public settings won't hurt anything and may well be the difference between staying healthy or getting sick.

I really appreciate the information that I have picked up in this thread. I think it gives a person a good starting point evaluating how to survive in today's world.
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Old May 20, 2020, 11:29 am
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Hey WHO, study proving immunity and no reinfection after clinical SARS-CoV2 infection in rhesus macaques: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc4776

And evidence of protection using a DNA vaccine in the same species: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc6284
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Old May 20, 2020, 11:37 am
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Originally Posted by FlyBitcoin
Hey WHO, study proving immunity and no reinfection after clinical SARS-CoV2 infection in rhesus macaques: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc4776

And evidence of protection using a DNA vaccine in the same species: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc6284
that's great news.
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Old May 20, 2020, 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by FlyBitcoin
Hey WHO, study proving immunity and no reinfection after clinical SARS-CoV2 infection in rhesus macaques: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc4776

And evidence of protection using a DNA vaccine in the same species: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc6284

So in the first study, they rechallenged rhesus macaques on day 35 after initial infection, using the same infection methods and amounts.

In the second study, they used DNA "prototype" vaccines on rhesus macaques. These were not any of the current vaccine candidates which are in development. It seems most of these have skipped animal trials and went directly to human trials? With the amount of money being poured in, why aren't they running concurrent animal trials? For one thing, they can more easily run challenge trials on animals than they could in humans.
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Old May 20, 2020, 11:47 am
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The finest summary of everything we know about this virus in one easy to read primer. https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?...2820%2930212-0
  • How it is spread
  • Our immune response
  • Target of infection
  • Treatment options
  • What happens in different case severity situations
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