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#3706
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Houston company claims to have created a vaccine and hopes to have it available by end of year.
Let’s hope they are right.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-p...accine-greffex
Let’s hope they are right.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-p...accine-greffex
#3707
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It's also possible the rise in temperatures helped and is helping.
Made a quick chart showing temps in Wuhan, China (taking data from weather.com from Dec 1, 2019 to Mar 9, 2020, averaging daily high and daily low, red line is added "by hand"):
#3708
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Projections aren't panic, but there's a wide parabolic range. Thus far, the contrast on this thing's progression between SE Asia and Italy are, to me, stunning. So, it's important to monitor the growth rate here, and be mindful of where we are on those projections, and, more importantly, where they're headed.
Vigorous mitigation is up to each individual based on his/her respective decisions made hopefully with the most up to date and accurate information available. In my view, the information contained in this thread by the Pros have been world class.
Vigorous mitigation is up to each individual based on his/her respective decisions made hopefully with the most up to date and accurate information available. In my view, the information contained in this thread by the Pros have been world class.
#3709
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As posted above, we do know, or have a reasonable estimate, because we can extrapolate the number of COVID cases in the US from the number of COVID deaths in the US. The majority of deaths from COVID symptoms are being tested. Right?
#3710
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Forget reporting it every year.
I am just thinking how people would react if there was a daily (or multiple times daily) update released on number of flu patients diagnosed and subsequebt fatalities.
If there actually were 20,000 flu related fatalities this season, you would see dozens of deaths reported every single day and hundreds of positive cases
I am just thinking how people would react if there was a daily (or multiple times daily) update released on number of flu patients diagnosed and subsequebt fatalities.
If there actually were 20,000 flu related fatalities this season, you would see dozens of deaths reported every single day and hundreds of positive cases
#3711
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Santa Clara County has banned all social gatherings of more than 1000 people, starting at midnight tonight, and said that this is enforceable by Sheriff's deputies and police. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coro...death/2251123/
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...elivery-fears/
EDIT: This is actually across the country, dozens of universities are moving to online only, or are on the verge of making the decision in the last 24 hours...Many of the Ivies are going online, and many on the west coast, east coast, Florida, and even Ohio State.
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#3712
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China's measures helped control the spread for sure.
It's also possible the rise in temperatures helped and is helping.
Made a quick chart showing temps in Wuhan, China (taking data from weather.com from Dec 1, 2019 to Mar 9, 2020, averaging daily high and daily low, red line is added "by hand"):
It's also possible the rise in temperatures helped and is helping.
Made a quick chart showing temps in Wuhan, China (taking data from weather.com from Dec 1, 2019 to Mar 9, 2020, averaging daily high and daily low, red line is added "by hand"):
However, increasing e.g. doubling rate from 3 days to 7 days (which would be a conceivable knock-on from a weather effect) would be _really_ useful if you have a baseline of 1000 cases nationally, or even 10k cases. If you have 100k cases, then the amount of time it buys you before your hospitals are full is not that great (although anything is better than nothing).
Importantly, I've been plotting log-linear curves of growth rate in China, Hubei/non-Hubei from the outset of this outbreak, and the curves started to slow about 5-7 days after Jan 22 or so...i.e. introduction of aggressive measures. It slowed far less in Hubei than outside Hubei, due to (I believe) the higher baseline numbers, and possibly the way the government was corralling all symptomatic individuals).
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#3713
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From where is the idea that if they don’t have test kits for the living, they do have them for the dead?
#3714
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Here is how things are going in Singapore.
Very densely populated, very warm, major international airport with connections throughout Asia, and pretty much under control linear spread of infection with a slight upward inflection over the past few days, but these new cases have links to existing cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...k_in_Singapore
The daily update with details on how cases are linked.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19
Very densely populated, very warm, major international airport with connections throughout Asia, and pretty much under control linear spread of infection with a slight upward inflection over the past few days, but these new cases have links to existing cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...k_in_Singapore
The daily update with details on how cases are linked.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19
#3715
#3716
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Houston company claims to have created a vaccine and hopes to have it available by end of year.
Let’s hope they are right.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-p...accine-greffex
Let’s hope they are right.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-p...accine-greffex
https://www.marketwatch.com/press-re...ain-2013-06-26
https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/185464-00
https://www.who.int/blueprint/priori...-ncov.pdf?ua=1
#3717
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Here is how things are going in Singapore.
Very densely populated, very warm, major international airport with connections throughout Asia, and pretty much under control linear spread of infection with a slight upward inflection over the past few days, but these new cases have links to existing cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...k_in_Singapore
The daily update with details on how cases are linked.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19
Very densely populated, very warm, major international airport with connections throughout Asia, and pretty much under control linear spread of infection with a slight upward inflection over the past few days, but these new cases have links to existing cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...k_in_Singapore
The daily update with details on how cases are linked.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19
invisible is also in Singapore and has been tracked by MOH as he’d visited a clinic around the same time as someone who was later diagnosed with the virus.
#3718
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More incompetence by local health officials. Hopefully other states are handling this better. Hopefully.
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...from-feds.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...from-feds.html
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I don’t remember. Could you compare and contrast the two viruses? We’re the mortality and morbidity rates similar? Was it transmitted in similar ways by asymptomatic people? How often did the number of people with the virus double? How did it impact the access to healthcare?
#3720
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Only some 4400 people in the US had been tested and 570 cases? Now 729 cases.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...umbers/607714/
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...umbers/607714/