FAQ : BAEC : status extensions & Tier Point (re)qualification thresholds reduced
#4426
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Indeed life is not fair... e.g. UK based people look enviously at US only offers such as AMEX>Avios 40% Bonuses or the US only cards (BA visa) that almost double the Avios per ££ spent, glad you could make gold on the reduced thresholds thou, ive slowed down my BA spend, so unless there is an extension ill slowly fade away to silver or bronze over the next few years as i am choosing flights that avoid T5 these days.
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well I agree on that point, but it could be suggested that with a very large domestic travel network with AA & AS you have lots of opportunities for restriction free travel which hasn’t necessarily been the case for UK based members. Although the requirement for 4 eligible flights is clearly an issue for non UK members.
personally I haven’t taken any advantage of the double TP offer as I rarely book using BAH.
personally I haven’t taken any advantage of the double TP offer as I rarely book using BAH.
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indeed, of course they can. They could scrap BAEC altogether if they wanted to. I am suggesting that they won’t indefinitely protect your status just because your business travel continues to be non existent.
I would have more sympathy if business travellers didn’t frame their argument as I can’t travel therefore BA must protect my status. People can travel for leisure if they wish and gain TPs from that if status is important to them, and BA is not under obligation to protect your status indefinitely because your employer won’t pay for your business trips or you can no longer go to China etc. where you used to go 5 times a month. It can come across as a sense of entitlement - and yes I note the irony of using that term when it comes to status and FFPs
I would have more sympathy if business travellers didn’t frame their argument as I can’t travel therefore BA must protect my status. People can travel for leisure if they wish and gain TPs from that if status is important to them, and BA is not under obligation to protect your status indefinitely because your employer won’t pay for your business trips or you can no longer go to China etc. where you used to go 5 times a month. It can come across as a sense of entitlement - and yes I note the irony of using that term when it comes to status and FFPs
if I want ba to show more flexibility to me, I’ll ask them, not here. Here I was merely observing what looks like a move from universal to targeted (which by the way May still change. I’m not part of those who say « they’ve made up their minds for good » and personally wouldn’t exclude a further extension but that’s another matter).
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again that’s a strawman argument. You seem to be interpreting any reference to « ba are choosing to protect some types of status and not others » as « ba should protect me rather than others », but that’s just in your head, not in my words.
if I want ba to show more flexibility to me, I’ll ask them, not here. Here I was merely observing what looks like a move from universal to targeted (which by the way May still change. I’m not part of those who say « they’ve made up their minds for good » and personally wouldn’t exclude a further extension but that’s another matter).
if I want ba to show more flexibility to me, I’ll ask them, not here. Here I was merely observing what looks like a move from universal to targeted (which by the way May still change. I’m not part of those who say « they’ve made up their minds for good » and personally wouldn’t exclude a further extension but that’s another matter).
still sounds like special pleading for business travellers tbh, because my business travel has reduced BA must look after me and protect my status - well no they don’t have to, and if status is important to you, then book some flights and earn some TPs
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#4430
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#4431
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well I am not clear then, whose status are you asking to be protected, you, other selections of members, everyone? Or are you suggesting that you are content with there being no further extensions?
still sounds like special pleading for business travellers tbh, because my business travel has reduced BA must look after me and protect my status - well no they don’t have to, and if status is important to you, then book some flights and earn some TPs
still sounds like special pleading for business travellers tbh, because my business travel has reduced BA must look after me and protect my status - well no they don’t have to, and if status is important to you, then book some flights and earn some TPs
While there may be plenty of BA flights from LHR for people based in the UK to take their pick from, those of us not in the UK who had far fewer services may find BA has not yet returned or BA may still have a limited number of flights.
In those circumstances I think there is a case for BA to look at the situation and possibly make some exceptions
as an exmpl, with only 1 BA flight a day, and the recent record of it being caneclled every other day, its still a challenge for me to have the confidence to book a BA ticket from here. fortunately I have some time before my status expires. others in a similar situation may not be so fortunate
#4432
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I suppose you could argue that Ryanair might fly from country X to the U when BA don't (yet), and at the end of the day, that airline could provide a means of getting somewhere for those 4 flights.
There are bound to be losers at the end of the day as well as winners.
There are bound to be losers at the end of the day as well as winners.
#4433
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#4434
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I just feel that telling previous frequent flyers that the only way they can maintain status is by first flying with a competitor to get them somewhere BA is flying from seems a little Ironic
what would possibly help would be if BA allowed me to book connecting flights on their website using S* airlines to places BA do fly from, in the same way QR does
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since you ask, I would personally be favourable to further extensions for all and many other airlines are still protecting everyone’s status if only because they are on a calendar year. However that was not what my post was about. It would be a sad world - and an excruciatingly boring flyertalk - one in which people would only post to ask stuff and with ulterior motives. Most of us - you and I included - often post about information or perceptions and not only to express requests let alone demands.
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that’s because I was not asking for anyone’s status to be extended. I was answering a post saying (in a nutshell) « the proof that status is very/too easy to achieve is that my leisure travelling daughter has managed » by noting that the fact she has doesn’t mean it’s easy for anyone too renew, but just that she is likely among one of the segments least affected by current downturn whilst others segments will find it a lot harder.
those who rely on their own travel to attain status must do it on their own dime and in their own time, so it quite simply is not easier for leisure travellers. if only i had the luxury of relying on someone else to pay for my travel and doing it as part of my job, that truly would be a lot easier
Last edited by KARFA; Apr 16, 2022 at 11:38 am
#4437
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yes, and if i may say so this is where your whole original post was flawed by suggesting business travellers would find it harder to renew than leisure travellers. it is only true if a business traveller wants to exclusively rely on attainting points from travel paid for by their employer and travelling in the course of their work, and is unwilling to put their hand in their own pocket and pay for some leisure travel. the opportunities for also doing leisure travel are no less than for those who don't have business travel to rely upon.
those who rely on their own travel to attain status must do it on their own dime and in their own time, so it quite simply is not easier for leisure travellers. if only i had the luxury of relying to someone else to pay for my travel and doing it as part of my job, that truly would be a lot easier
those who rely on their own travel to attain status must do it on their own dime and in their own time, so it quite simply is not easier for leisure travellers. if only i had the luxury of relying to someone else to pay for my travel and doing it as part of my job, that truly would be a lot easier
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yes, and if i may say so this is where your whole original post was flawed by suggesting business travellers would find it harder to renew than leisure travellers. it is only true if a business traveller wants to exclusively rely on attainting points from travel paid for by their employer and travelling in the course of their work, and is unwilling to put their hand in their own pocket and pay for some leisure travel. the opportunities for also doing leisure travel are no less than for those who don't have business travel to rely upon.
those who rely on their own travel to attain status must do it on their own dime and in their own time, so it quite simply is not easier for leisure travellers. if only i had the luxury of relying on someone else to pay for my travel and doing it as part of my job, that truly would be a lot easier
those who rely on their own travel to attain status must do it on their own dime and in their own time, so it quite simply is not easier for leisure travellers. if only i had the luxury of relying on someone else to pay for my travel and doing it as part of my job, that truly would be a lot easier
#4439
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I suspect BA will deal with this in exactly the same way they deal with the TPs earned on the 8th (last day) of a Membership Year being posted a few days later. It will be a relatively simple exercise; a simple interrogation of the membership database with status extended for those who met the reduced renewal/promotion thresholds by 31 December. I expect BA will continue their strict observance of the qualification criteria for promotion to GGL. IIRC two week extensions have never been offered to GGL promotions and I can’t see why they would change that now especially with the very generous reduced qualification threshold. I cannot see BA will offer the two week extension for reduced TP qualification at any tier.
I mentioned here several months ago the mood music about global status extensions was there would be no more, that same mood music is that reduced thresholds will end on 31 January unless travel restrictions are reintroduced.
I mentioned here several months ago the mood music about global status extensions was there would be no more, that same mood music is that reduced thresholds will end on 31 January unless travel restrictions are reintroduced.
In the end, we don't know. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if a 1st Jan flight slipped through. However, if it should happen to anyone, they should consider themselves lucky and keep their mouth shut.
Last edited by zen100; Apr 16, 2022 at 1:15 pm
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those who rely on their own travel to attain status must do it on their own dime and in their own time, so it quite simply is not easier for leisure travellers. if only i had the luxury of relying on someone else to pay for my travel and doing it as part of my job, that truly would be a lot easier
I have always thought folks who earn status through business spend rather than personal should have to attain a higher number of TPs anyway
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