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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Jun 12, 2016, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by NecessaryIndulgences
The issue may have been cached data on Kayak? Not sure. I don't see your dates pricing out anywhere near $810 for this routing - not on Kayak or anywhere else. Several dates around there in the low $800s, but not 10/25-28.
I'm still seeing $810 as of 12:30p today. I used the multi-city option on Kayak like this:
LAX-ATL Oct 25
ATL-SIN Oct 26
SIN-ATL Oct 28
ATL-LAX Oct 28
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Old Jun 12, 2016, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by SnkeDr
I booked the flight that is on the 7th of November. Anyone else taking that flight?
I am really thinking about it. Have to position from MSP

For some reason I can't get the cheap price for this weekend to show up now though.
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Old Jun 12, 2016, 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SnkeDr

FLIGHT DL 2005
TUE, 08 NOV 2016 149 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE ATL
to DTW ON TIME
DEPART:
7:25 AM
ARRIVE:
9:19 AM

FLIGHT DL 275
TUE, 08 NOV 2016 149 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE DTW
to NRT ON TIME
DEPART:
12:30 PM
ARRIVE:
3:55 PM - WED, 09 NOV

FLIGHT DL 615
WED, 09 NOV 2016 150 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE NRT
to SIN ON TIME
DEPART:
5:00 PM
ARRIVE:
12:10 AM - THU, 10 NOV

FLIGHT DL 616
THU, 10 NOV 2016 151 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE SIN
to NRT ON TIME
DEPART:
7:45 AM
ARRIVE:
3:45 PM

FLIGHT DL 166
THU, 10 NOV 2016 151 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE NRT
to SEA ON TIME
DEPART:
5:10 PM
ARRIVE:
9:20 AM

FLIGHT DL 16
THU, 10 NOV 2016 151 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE SEA
to ATL ON TIME
DEPART:
10:45 AM
ARRIVE:
6:30 PM

FLIGHT DL 2355
THU, 10 NOV 2016 151 DAYS FROM DEPARTURE ATL
to LAX ON TIME
DEPART:
9:10 PM
ARRIVE:
11:15 PM
Your first few I am not on. Will reposition early AM on the 7th to LAX. Or the night before. Then on the 11th EARLY AM I will head back to ATL.

Will reply to your PM. I am in Economy + the entire trip. Mostly window seats so you probably don't want to be in the middle. Or maybe you are up front. Can at least navigate the airports together. Grab some food.

Originally Posted by NecessaryIndulgences
The issue may have been cached data on Kayak? Not sure. I don't see your dates pricing out anywhere near $810 for this routing - not on Kayak or anywhere else. Several dates around there in the low $800s, but not 10/25-28.
7-10 is still active but it seems they might be purging them as people on getting on it.


Originally Posted by bretthexum
I am really thinking about it. Have to position from MSP

For some reason I can't get the cheap price for this weekend to show up now though.
Do it. Two of us already on the DTW. I literally JUST booked.

Direct link(7th one down) - https://www.kayak.com/flights/LAX-AT...LAX/2016-11-10

Since there is already two of us one more to enjoy some airports with!
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Old Jun 12, 2016, 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
Your first few I am not on. Will reposition early AM on the 7th to LAX. Or the night before. Then on the 11th EARLY AM I will head back to ATL.

Will reply to your PM. I am in Economy + the entire trip. Mostly window seats so you probably don't want to be in the middle. Or maybe you are up front. Can at least navigate the airports together. Grab some food.



7-10 is still active but it seems they might be purging them as people on getting on it.




Do it. Two of us already on the DTW. I literally JUST booked.

Direct link(7th one down) - https://www.kayak.com/flights/LAX-AT...LAX/2016-11-10

Since there is already two of us one more to enjoy some airports with!
I went with exit row seating with aisle seating or with no one in front of me. To me that is better than Economy +
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Old Jun 13, 2016, 7:13 am
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Morning all! I've been watching this thread intently. What initially came across as a crazy idea is now growing on me... Thanks to the regular posters keeping us updated on prices, routes and availability.

Checked the recent LAX-ATL-SEA outbound Nov 8-11 off Kayak. Positioning to LAX from BNA/TYS/ATL isn't too bad ($250ish). Question however for the taller folks: in your opinion is it worth C+ "upgrade" if exit rows aren't available? My dilemma today :-)

Have a great day!
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Old Jun 13, 2016, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by TYSDoc
Morning all! I've been watching this thread intently. What initially came across as a crazy idea is now growing on me... Thanks to the regular posters keeping us updated on prices, routes and availability.

Checked the recent LAX-ATL-SEA outbound Nov 8-11 off Kayak. Positioning to LAX from BNA/TYS/ATL isn't too bad ($250ish). Question however for the taller folks: in your opinion is it worth C+ "upgrade" if exit rows aren't available? My dilemma today :-)

Have a great day!
Being 6'2" I would say that if you can't get an exit row that C+ is worth the money. Especially if you are doing long hauls. Of course you could also take your chances with upgrades. At my Silver Medallion level I don't find out about that until 24 hours prior to take off if I am lucky.
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Old Jun 13, 2016, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by SnkeDr
Being 6'2" I would say that if you can't get an exit row that C+ is worth the money. Especially if you are doing long hauls. Of course you could also take your chances with upgrades. At my Silver Medallion level I don't find out about that until 24 hours prior to take off if I am lucky.
I'm currently silver also. Don't know if the 24hr upgrade gamble would be for me. Does W class fill up on these flights like domestic, or is it pretty sparse on the intl runs? It was approx $50/seg for W so not that bad. Thanks for the thoughts, SnkeDr.
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Old Jun 13, 2016, 1:12 pm
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I'd say it was safe to risk it about a year ago. Dunno about nowadays, but I'd expect it even safer considering the new C+ clearance. I'd recommend, although, buy it only for the longest flight, and only if you don't see plenty of space in the map, and you really want a particular seat.

When I was silver, I used to set my phone alarm to exactly 5 minutes before the window for C+ selection opened.
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Old Jun 13, 2016, 2:44 pm
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I'm hoping to do two mileage runs before the end of the year that will put me in the platinum class.
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Old Jun 13, 2016, 11:07 pm
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Originally Posted by SnkeDr
I went with exit row seating with aisle seating or with no one in front of me. To me that is better than Economy +
I understand. We can still enjoy the run together if you want.


Originally Posted by TYSDoc
Morning all! I've been watching this thread intently. What initially came across as a crazy idea is now growing on me... Thanks to the regular posters keeping us updated on prices, routes and availability.

Checked the recent LAX-ATL-SEA outbound Nov 8-11 off Kayak. Positioning to LAX from BNA/TYS/ATL isn't too bad ($250ish). Question however for the taller folks: in your opinion is it worth C+ "upgrade" if exit rows aren't available? My dilemma today :-)

Have a great day!
I am 6 feet and I say yes. It's guaranteed and it's ~200 for ALL segments. You get to pick the seat you want exactly as almost every flight is completely open in C+.

Also for the most part this gives AC power which is nice on the longer flights.
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Old Jun 14, 2016, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by trey73
I'm still seeing $810 as of 12:30p today. I used the multi-city option on Kayak like this:
LAX-ATL Oct 25
ATL-SIN Oct 26
SIN-ATL Oct 28
ATL-LAX Oct 28
Yes, $810 is still available using this search criteria, but not for the routing you stated in your earlier post (thru DTW in both directions) which is what you were asking for help with. (apologies to the grammar police)

There was recent discussion about trying to get on the 744 out of DTW before it disappears, so I assumed this is what you were after. If you don't care about routing through DTW as you described in your earlier request, $810 is totally bookable for your dates.
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Old Jun 14, 2016, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by NecessaryIndulgences
Yes, $810 is still available using this search criteria, but not for the routing you stated in your earlier post (thru DTW in both directions) which is what you were asking for help with. (apologies to the grammar police)

There was recent discussion about trying to get on the 744 out of DTW before it disappears, so I assumed this is what you were after. If you don't care about routing through DTW as you described in your earlier request, $810 is totally bookable for your dates.
Thank you NI. I still wasn't able to pay for those segments (Delta continued to say "sold out") so I switched to the JFK-SIN on October 21-24 and bought. Anyone going on these dates?
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Old Jun 14, 2016, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by trey73
Thank you NI. I still wasn't able to pay for those segments (Delta continued to say "sold out") so I switched to the JFK-SIN on October 21-24 and bought. Anyone going on these dates?

I'm not on that flight, but I'm looking at JFK-SIN on Sep 27-29

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...m-3-7-cpm.html
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Old Jun 14, 2016, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SnkeDr
I'm not on that flight, but I'm looking at JFK-SIN on Sep 27-29

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...m-3-7-cpm.html
Wish I could do that. Have a race that weekend. End of the season event.
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Old Jun 17, 2016, 11:26 am
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Late Jan/early Feb 2017 run

Hi Everyone!

I'm looking at this run for late Jan/ early Feb 2017. So far, i see $1009 on ITA on Jan 27-30 for LAX DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW LAX with the 747 on the DTW NRT legs. Interestingly, priced in W. Nothing on Kayak with those dates. Delta.com gives me ~$980 in W but LAX PDX/SEA NRT SIN NRT PDX/SEA LAX. Anyone else looking at this time frame? Any luck routing through DTW?
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