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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Jul 11, 2016, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Mileage Lover
More power to you! What an endurance test. Usually I do one at a time and stay 1 night. November is my first turnaround. GUCs?
No GUC. I'm still at the Silver level. I got exit row on all, but one leg. I'm hoping to get upgraded though. I figure that I need to pay my dues and then it will all fall into place; especially for next year.
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 8:22 pm
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No GUC. I'm still at the Silver level. I got exit row on all, but one leg. I'm hoping to get upgraded though. I figure that I need to pay my dues and then it will all fall into place; especially for next year.
No comp Medallion upgrades on the international legs I did it in C+ last year but only once, good luck with the back-to-back! You might want to invest in one of the gel seat cushions
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 11:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
No comp Medallion upgrades on the international legs I did it in C+ last year but only once, good luck with the back-to-back! You might want to invest in one of the gel seat cushions
My preference is the memory foam cushions, have compared with gel and gel is too firm for me or I need more "padding" on that part of my anatomy. Have not tried the inflatable ones. Drink lots of water, stay well hydrated this will ensure you get up, walk around as you don't want a DVT or blood clot in your leg, my preference is always aisle and bulkhead or exit row if you are not in business class. Bad news is I couldn't get any more $650 fares, best price was about $711 for Sep 19 and later. Happy Travels! Blessings!

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Old Jul 12, 2016, 10:30 pm
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Just booked a similar leg.
LAX-ATL-MSP-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX - 24,456 MQM, $704.56 - 2.88cpm
9/26-9/29

Had a $500 bump voucher from Delta so essentially paid $204.56 out of pocket.
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Old Jul 12, 2016, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by kxc262
Just booked a similar leg.
LAX-ATL-MSP-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX - 24,456 MQM, $704.56 - 2.88cpm
9/26-9/29

Had a $500 bump voucher from Delta so essentially paid $204.56 out of pocket.
If you are within 24 hours, see if you can change outbound through JFK or DTW. Through MSP yields less MQMs as it is a direct flight (same flt #) from MSP-NRT and NRT-SIN. Different planes but you get MQMs as if it were a MSP-SIN nonstop.
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Old Jul 12, 2016, 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Mileage Lover
If you are within 24 hours, see if you can change outbound through JFK or DTW. Through MSP yields less MQMs as it is a direct flight (same flt #) from MSP-NRT and NRT-SIN. Different planes but you get MQMs as if it were a MSP-SIN nonstop.
I'll take a look at that. Still within 24 hrs. thanks for the tip!
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Old Jul 13, 2016, 8:01 pm
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Just cancelled and rebooked a new itinerary.
LAX-JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX - 25,257 MQM, $711.06 - 2.82cpm
9/26-9/29

Paid about $7 bucks more for 801 miles

Similar run on 10/24-10/27 for about the same price. Return changes to SIN-NRT-DTW-JFK-LAX for 25,418 MQM.

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Old Jul 14, 2016, 2:01 am
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Originally Posted by trey73
Same here (back to back). Oct 21-24 then Oct 25-27. JFK-SIN. I snagged two of the ~$650 deals a while back 😉
Just a bit of info for our readers. The CHAMPION MRer was one of our readers who did 4 in a row from JFK SIN in 2014 when you could get good SM as well as the MQM. In J it is definitely more comfortable. For new readers - One of the things I wish was still available is the RTW in J for 280,000 SM. We enjoyed one last year. SMF LAX PVG MEL CGK HKG INC DXB CDG FCO CDG LHRFCO EZE MEX LAX SMF. Allowed 6 stops. Best service on Garuda MEL CGK HKG. Only flights on DL were SMF LAX at start and end. Carriers - China Eastern, Garuda, Korean, Air France, Alitalia and AeroMexico. Allowed 6 stops in BOLD with about 90 hours of flight time and 41,500 miles flown.
Happy Travels! Comments welcomed. Post low prices with dates and routing! Blessings! Have a great weekend!
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Old Jul 14, 2016, 5:15 pm
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More I thought of this, the more I decided I HAD to attempt to burn to GUC (and sit on top deck) considering they are going away.
Called today and assumed both DTW-NRT & NRT-DTW would be waitlisted, but shocked that NRT-DTW was open so I hung up and selected my 2017 Diamond Choice Benefits and saw them available about 2 hours later. Called back and was able to snag a upper deck seat on NRT-DTW (and wait-listed all other legs, SIN>NRT & DTW>ATL>SFO) Had them apply and Waitlist the DTW-NRT leg for now and only if that clears (Fingers crossed it will) then will apply that to the outbound legs.

Been on a 74 4 or 5 times but never BizClass on Econ or Mil Charter. One time was upstairs, but it was AF so that is Econ for them (but still better than downstairs Econ) Looking forward to this trip on 74 each way. This thread certainly has me seeing pretty much seeing all equipment that Delta operates on this route (along with almost all their gateways for it on both coasts)
Other than being first row or last seat, seems to me another seat in UD is great.

Amazing the thread has gone on so long! And the subject reminds everyone what a "great price" it seemed it was several years ago! hats off to Cfsing1


Originally Posted by rizrizriz
Thanks Zorak! good find. I couldn't pass it up. Grabbed a SFO-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-ATL-SFO (17-21 Sep). 24918 MQM for $697. This time will have a full day in SIN vs the "normal" turn around in 6 hours. Did use a recently got DL Gold AmEx so can take $50 more off that price effectively. (so ~.026 CPM) .....
Last two times used GC, but don't think I will this time.
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Old Jul 14, 2016, 7:54 pm
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Just cancelled and rebooked since airfare price dropped.

LAX-JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX - 25,257 MQM, $648.46 - 2.57cpm
9/26-9/29
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Old Jul 16, 2016, 8:47 am
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Has anyone had any luck finding any of these that space out over a weekend? Just started a new job the other month which makes taking entire weeks out to do MRs a bit difficult..
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Old Jul 16, 2016, 12:22 pm
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Yes. The trip still takes 4 days though. A few weeks back November 10 - 13 was available (LAX - JFK - SIN - DTW - LAX) for around $700.

Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Has anyone had any luck finding any of these that space out over a weekend? Just started a new job the other month which makes taking entire weeks out to do MRs a bit difficult..
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 4:10 am
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Has anyone had any luck finding any of these that space out over a weekend? Just started a new job the other month which makes taking entire weeks out to do MRs a bit difficult..
Yes, I booked a Nov. 4-7 a few weeks ago LAX-BNA-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-SEA-ATL-LAX for $844 (3.44 CPM). Fare has since increased to $966 (3.94 CPM).
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by msubobcatfan
Yes, I booked a Nov. 4-7 a few weeks ago LAX-BNA-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-SEA-ATL-LAX for $844 (3.44 CPM). Fare has since increased to $966 (3.94 CPM).
I actually do this same flight on the 7th-10th, but I am also flying another mileage run the 3rd-6th from LAX to SIN on a slightly different route
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 7:19 am
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I grabbed LAX-SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX (24k) for $650 (2.71 cpm), but configured as a visit to Singapore, for late October. Thanks everyone the tracking, guidance, and hints on booking!
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