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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
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Happy Travels! Blessings!
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If there are many (10 or more) open seats a few days before your scheduled flight the probability of getting your UG is pretty good, wish they would confirm earlier but they probably won't depends on how full flight is. You will just have to wait and see. If you get UG NRT SIN keep your boarding pass as that will get you into the lounge in SIN as you can only access it if you are Business Class fare.
Happy Travels! Blessings!
Happy Travels! Blessings!
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According to Lounge Buddy there is one in Terminal 1 which is the terminal used by Delta. If you have the UG NRT SIN your boarding pass will get you free access to the DNATA lounge which is very nice. Enjoy your trip and I hope you get your UG!
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Lounge access
I believe you will have less of a problem if you try to get in at least in one of the lounges in terminal 1 if you have the Priority Pass card which you can get for free through the AMEX platinum card. There is a 4 hour limit for each of the lounges, but I understand from one of the dragons that you can re-enter and get another 4 hours.
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poking around on ITA Matrix this evening:
LAX-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX 23,408 MQMs
$639 @2.7 cpm departing Sat 9/10, 9/17, or 9/24 returning Tues or Sun 9/11, 9/18, 9/25 returning Weds. October: 15 (Sat), 17 (Mon), 29 (Sat), 30 (Sun)
$717 @3.1 cpm Nov 1 (Tue), 6 (Sun), 12 (Sat)
SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO 23,608 MQMs
$680 @2.9 cpm Sat 9/10, 9/17, 9/24, Sun 9/18, 9/25, Sat 10/15, Mon 10/17, Sun 10/30
$754 @3.2 cpm Mon 10/10
sample Kayak link for LAX (prices at $649), click Change and follow the same date pattern for SFO or other departure dates.
Some dates have JFK possibilities on the return. Some ATL or JFK in both directions for ~$100 more.
LAX-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX 23,408 MQMs
$639 @2.7 cpm departing Sat 9/10, 9/17, or 9/24 returning Tues or Sun 9/11, 9/18, 9/25 returning Weds. October: 15 (Sat), 17 (Mon), 29 (Sat), 30 (Sun)
$717 @3.1 cpm Nov 1 (Tue), 6 (Sun), 12 (Sat)
SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO 23,608 MQMs
$680 @2.9 cpm Sat 9/10, 9/17, 9/24, Sun 9/18, 9/25, Sat 10/15, Mon 10/17, Sun 10/30
$754 @3.2 cpm Mon 10/10
sample Kayak link for LAX (prices at $649), click Change and follow the same date pattern for SFO or other departure dates.
Some dates have JFK possibilities on the return. Some ATL or JFK in both directions for ~$100 more.
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Thanks Zorak! good find. I couldn't pass it up. Grabbed a SFO-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-ATL-SFO (17-21 Sep). 24918 MQM for $697. This time will have a full day in SIN vs the "normal" turn around in 6 hours. Did use a recently got DL Gold AmEx so can take $50 more off that price effectively. (so ~.026 CPM) Interestingly this itinerary was also available for PWM, which could have put down the 50k miles got recently with this card to bring it down lower, but then you don't have option for EC (or upgrades for the US based legs) so I passed on it this time.
Last two times used GC, but don't think I will this time.
Last two times used GC, but don't think I will this time.
Last edited by rizrizriz; Jul 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm Reason: correct typo in routing
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In today's batch of schedule changes, my DTW-NRT and NRT-DTW flights in January went from 744 to 332
EDIT #4: looking more closely at an ITA Matrix search, the 332 is operating Sun/Tue from DTW-NRT and Mon/Wed from NRT-DTW.
EDIT #4: looking more closely at an ITA Matrix search, the 332 is operating Sun/Tue from DTW-NRT and Mon/Wed from NRT-DTW.
Last edited by Zorak; Jul 9, 2016 at 8:42 pm
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LAX Dep
LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX 24,248 MQM
$646 ai 2.66 cpm Sep 19-22, 26-29, Oct 17-24 BEST PRICE
$654 ai 2.70 cpm Oct 24-27
$752 ai 3.10 cpm Sep 12-15, Oct 3-6, 10-13
$816 ai 3.37 cpm Oct 31-Nov3, Nov 7-10
$890 ai 3.67 cpm Nov 14-17, 28- Dec 1
$910 ai 3.75 cpm Nov 21-24
LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,634 MQM
$646 ai 2.62 cpm Sep 26-29 BEST PRICE
$656 ai 2.66 cpm Oct 24-27
$760 ai 3.08 cpm Sep 19-22, Oct 17-20
$860 ai 3.49 cpm Sep 12-15
$942 ai 3.82 cpm Oct 3-6, 10-13
Doing a MR and work Sep 19-28 $653.06 ai 2.64 cpm LAX ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,764 MQM, but my actual cost with $200 credit was $453.06 which makes 1.83 cpm. Dates not given higher prices. Prices from Google.com/flights. Tickets purchased thru Kayak.com Got 2 Tickets but had to purchase separately to get the price.
Happy Travels! Many thanks to Zorak for help in purchasing my tickets. We got a very good price, haven't seen prices this low for a long time. If you need a MR this year better do it now as prices will probably go up not down. Please post comments and lower prices. Blessings and have a Super Week!
$646 ai 2.66 cpm Sep 19-22, 26-29, Oct 17-24 BEST PRICE
$654 ai 2.70 cpm Oct 24-27
$752 ai 3.10 cpm Sep 12-15, Oct 3-6, 10-13
$816 ai 3.37 cpm Oct 31-Nov3, Nov 7-10
$890 ai 3.67 cpm Nov 14-17, 28- Dec 1
$910 ai 3.75 cpm Nov 21-24
LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,634 MQM
$646 ai 2.62 cpm Sep 26-29 BEST PRICE
$656 ai 2.66 cpm Oct 24-27
$760 ai 3.08 cpm Sep 19-22, Oct 17-20
$860 ai 3.49 cpm Sep 12-15
$942 ai 3.82 cpm Oct 3-6, 10-13
Doing a MR and work Sep 19-28 $653.06 ai 2.64 cpm LAX ATL DTW NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,764 MQM, but my actual cost with $200 credit was $453.06 which makes 1.83 cpm. Dates not given higher prices. Prices from Google.com/flights. Tickets purchased thru Kayak.com Got 2 Tickets but had to purchase separately to get the price.
Happy Travels! Many thanks to Zorak for help in purchasing my tickets. We got a very good price, haven't seen prices this low for a long time. If you need a MR this year better do it now as prices will probably go up not down. Please post comments and lower prices. Blessings and have a Super Week!
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I was thinking with the price drop doing another one. As you said might be difference between Platinum and Diamond.
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Got hit with this on the outbound. Coming back still 747. Really hoping it stays that way. Never flown one and only a few years left probably.