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Apr 20, 2020, 6:25 am
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You don't know if they are "overbooked". They just may be fully booked, or DL may be holding back seat inventory on flights. Since they are blocking the middle seats, it leaves a lot less seat capacity on flights. As noted above, DL now has to connect many pax via SLC to western destinations with all the non-stop flight reductions from ATL. The 8:15AM flight in particular looks to be fully booked on many dates in May. This is likely due to many people with existing tickets getting rebooked on that flight via SLC due to their non-stop flight from ATL getting cancelled. It's probably safe to assume a good number of people will end up cancelling as their trip dates get nearer.
DL is offering up some broken fare connecting options on their website (such as MCI). But you can ferret out a lot more with ITA Matrix. In some cases, you will need to transport yourself between airports (DAL-->DFW, HOU-->IAH, MDW-->ORD). If you want to upfare from BE to main cabin, you'll get hit with a $70 double-whammy because of broken fare.
DL is offering up some broken fare connecting options on their website (such as MCI). But you can ferret out a lot more with ITA Matrix. In some cases, you will need to transport yourself between airports (DAL-->DFW, HOU-->IAH, MDW-->ORD). If you want to upfare from BE to main cabin, you'll get hit with a $70 double-whammy because of broken fare.
Last edited by xliioper; Apr 20, 2020 at 7:09 am
Apr 20, 2020, 7:30 am
#1322
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While I am not normally one to post blog links here, I found this analysis of Delta's May Schedule to be quite interesting.
https://crankyflier.com/2020/04/20/a...-may-schedule/
https://crankyflier.com/2020/04/20/a...-may-schedule/
Apr 20, 2020, 7:58 am
#1323
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You don't know if they are "overbooked". They just may be fully booked, or DL may be holding back seat inventory on flights. Since they are blocking the middle seats, it leaves a lot less seat capacity on flights. As noted above, DL now has to connect many pax via SLC to western destinations with all the non-stop flight reductions from ATL. The 8:15AM flight in particular looks to be fully booked on many dates in May. This is likely due to many people with existing tickets getting rebooked on that flight via SLC due to their non-stop flight from ATL getting cancelled. It's probably safe to assume a good number of people will end up cancelling as their trip dates get nearer.
DL is offering up some broken fare connecting options on their website (such as MCI). But you can ferret out a lot more with ITA Matrix. In some cases, you will need to transport yourself between airports (DAL-->DFW, HOU-->IAH, MDW-->ORD). If you want to upfare from BE to main cabin, you'll get hit with a $70 double-whammy because of broken fare.
DL is offering up some broken fare connecting options on their website (such as MCI). But you can ferret out a lot more with ITA Matrix. In some cases, you will need to transport yourself between airports (DAL-->DFW, HOU-->IAH, MDW-->ORD). If you want to upfare from BE to main cabin, you'll get hit with a $70 double-whammy because of broken fare.
Apr 20, 2020, 8:35 am
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DL domestic fares often permit connections in focus cities in addition to hubs (such as RDU/CVG/BNA/AUS) and some of them allow LAS connections (see below). But, yeah, that's pretty much it.
PUBLISHED RTG SEA-SJC/DL9089/TAR-DRG1 EF-29MAR20 DIS-INDEF
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. SEA-LAS/LAX/SEA/SLC-SJC
2. SEA-LAX-SJC
3. SEA-SLC-LAX-SJC
4. SEA-SLC-SJC
PUBLISHED RTG SEA-SJC/DL9089/TAR-DRG1 EF-29MAR20 DIS-INDEF
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. SEA-LAS/LAX/SEA/SLC-SJC
2. SEA-LAX-SJC
3. SEA-SLC-LAX-SJC
4. SEA-SLC-SJC
Apr 20, 2020, 10:49 am
#1326
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Flights are very unlikely to be sold out and even less likely to be overbooked.
DL has most likely locked inventory so that it can consolidate underperforming flights, e.g., have availability meet demand. Once that occurs, the remaining inventory will go back on sale in whatever fare buckets the new RM/IM suggests.
With constantly changing schedules, I would not book a connection when there is a nonstop. What is now a 2-hour connection, could easily become 8-10 hours or an overnight.
DL has most likely locked inventory so that it can consolidate underperforming flights, e.g., have availability meet demand. Once that occurs, the remaining inventory will go back on sale in whatever fare buckets the new RM/IM suggests.
With constantly changing schedules, I would not book a connection when there is a nonstop. What is now a 2-hour connection, could easily become 8-10 hours or an overnight.
Apr 20, 2020, 10:55 am
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Apr 20, 2020, 1:18 pm
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Flights are very unlikely to be sold out and even less likely to be overbooked.
DL has most likely locked inventory so that it can consolidate underperforming flights, e.g., have availability meet demand. Once that occurs, the remaining inventory will go back on sale in whatever fare buckets the new RM/IM suggests.
With constantly changing schedules, I would not book a connection when there is a nonstop. What is now a 2-hour connection, could easily become 8-10 hours or an overnight.
DL has most likely locked inventory so that it can consolidate underperforming flights, e.g., have availability meet demand. Once that occurs, the remaining inventory will go back on sale in whatever fare buckets the new RM/IM suggests.
With constantly changing schedules, I would not book a connection when there is a nonstop. What is now a 2-hour connection, could easily become 8-10 hours or an overnight.
Apr 20, 2020, 2:19 pm
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You are vastly overgeneralizing. There are plenty of dates in May that have seats available on non-stop's for less than full Y. Dates below are non-stop DL flights for ATL-SLC and only the dates showing $499 only have full Y available (and the 10th with $699 which is full J).
Apr 20, 2020, 3:20 pm
#1331
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Flights are very unlikely to be sold out and even less likely to be overbooked.
DL has most likely locked inventory so that it can consolidate underperforming flights, e.g., have availability meet demand. Once that occurs, the remaining inventory will go back on sale in whatever fare buckets the new RM/IM suggests.
DL has most likely locked inventory so that it can consolidate underperforming flights, e.g., have availability meet demand. Once that occurs, the remaining inventory will go back on sale in whatever fare buckets the new RM/IM suggests.
There’s a few routes I’m looking at flying as soon as it is feasible and up through May 21 I can, for the most part, construct a semi-reasonable itinerary (some would require an overnight stop in SEA or ATL and booking as a “multi city” to make it work). But from May 22 onward the inventory appears locked up, or only F/J is available. Then, on June 2, the schedule goes back to “normal” with tons of options meaning the schedule hasn’t been adjusted yet, but we know’s it coming.
Based on the above, I think DL really only has confidence in their published schedule for about a month out right now. That’s probably being too optimistic as well. But, it’s better than the tons of same day, or day or two prior cancellations we were seeing a few weeks back.
Apr 20, 2020, 7:47 pm
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Haven’t seen it mentioned here on the DL forum yet, but DL partner VA has entered “voluntary administration” (Australian version of Bankruptcy) after the Australian government declined to provide aid. This is a tough blow to DL and their operations if VA does indeed go under as DL would be left without an Australian partner. Richard Branson said today that VS could also go under as well if it’s not provided with government assistance. Sad times we are living in right now. 
https://thepointsguy.com/news/virgin...lia-goes-bust/
https://thepointsguy.com/news/virgin...lia-goes-bust/
Apr 20, 2020, 7:50 pm
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I've seen a lot of similar issues when trying to look up flights later in May. DL cut schedule, so the remaining flights are either full or blocked off for further bookings.
Apr 20, 2020, 9:29 pm
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Haven’t seen it mentioned here on the DL forum yet, but DL partner VA has entered “voluntary administration” (Australian version of Bankruptcy) after the Australian government declined to provide aid. This is a tough blow to DL and their operations if VA does indeed go under as DL would be left without an Australian partner. Richard Branson said today that VS could also go under as well if it’s not provided with government assistance. Sad times we are living in right now.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/virgin...lia-goes-bust/
https://thepointsguy.com/news/virgin...lia-goes-bust/
Apr 20, 2020, 10:22 pm
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Only 3 routes left, LHR-LAX/JFK are 1x daily and LHR-HKG is operating ever other day. DL is going to face a huge financial hurdle if both VS and VA go under due to the JV agreements they have with them both. I’d assume DL would also be at a competitive disadvantage to AA once flying starts to kick back up as I can’t see the UK or AU governments letting BA or QF flag carriers go under.