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Apr 27, 2020, 10:22 am
#1396
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There was an existing thread (that got merged with the operational thread) on some hub-to-hub routes getting full due to heavy reductions in point-to-point flying (thus requiring more connections) combined with middle seat blocking. The example was ATL-SLC flights. Aside from a few of the hub-to-hub routes, most flights are very empty. As noted above, seat availability tends to open as you get nearer to the flights as it seems a lot of people booked on these flights (after having been moved from non-stop flights) are cancelling their trips relatively close to departure date. If you look at the seat maps for this week's DTW-MSP flights, you will see that many are mostly empty.
Last edited by xliioper; Apr 27, 2020 at 10:32 am
Apr 27, 2020, 10:59 am
#1397
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Looking at HSV-LAX in May and on some days there is only one set of flights being offered for sale. On the plus side, the search results come back really fast!
Apr 27, 2020, 11:08 am
#1398
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Unemployment in my area is probably on the order of 7-10% right now. People are nervous about going to the grocery store much less getting on a plane full of recirculated air. I might take a personal trip in mid-June, we will see.
My work has basically said no travel for the foreseeable future. Our company is probably more conservative than some, but I can't imagine we are a gross outlier. I doubt I take a business trip by air before September.
I think planes will be more full in June than May, but I doubt they are running more than 25-30% load capacity by then.
Apr 27, 2020, 11:15 am
#1399
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Looks like my travel is about to start up again, very slowly. For the first time in a month I went to delta.com to purchase a one way back home to TPA from CLE. I was shocked at how much lift has been cut. The connection out of ATL now only consists of 2 flights to TPA on the day of my travel and I can't leave early enough to make either one. I'm gonna have to do the dreaded AA through CLT. I know this is the reality now for a long time to come. Just another jolt to get used to. The decreased lift is stunning. Anybody else as shocked as I am?
Apr 27, 2020, 11:23 am
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Until a vaccine is created, approved, and administered widely; this is our new reality. Granted, some of these restrictions will relax, but I don't foresee business travel resuming for anything other than essential functions (food, healthcare, etc.) for at least another year. I don't think you'll see 2019 levels of flying for another decade.
IMO, all the airlines are flying way too much right now. Delta said they were losing $100 M a day. That's just insane.
IMO, all the airlines are flying way too much right now. Delta said they were losing $100 M a day. That's just insane.
Apr 27, 2020, 12:03 pm
#1401
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At first I thought this must be a typo or something, but having found articles referencing it... that's absolutely wild. And that their goal is to burn "only" $50M a day in the second quarter.
Apr 27, 2020, 12:15 pm
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Apr 27, 2020, 12:45 pm
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I looked at SLC-JAX soon to see what they had since that is a routing I do a lot and there is only one or two options on the way there next week and it says no flights found on the way back even though there is a JAX-ATL and an ATL-SLC that would have a little over an hour connection but for some reason you can't book it together. AA by far had the most options. Honestly crazy how much demand has gone down, I was just 57/92 on the F list on an ATL-SLC on March 5th but that isn't gonna happen again anytime soon.
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Apr 27, 2020, 12:58 pm
#1404
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I looked at SLC-JAX soon to see what they had since that is a routing I do a lot and there is only one or two options on the way there next week and it says no flights found on the way back even though there is a JAX-ATL and an ATL-SLC that would have a little over an hour connection but for some reason you can't book it together. AA by far had the most options.
Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 pm
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Apr 27, 2020, 1:10 pm
#1406
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Could be married segment inventory issue as many of the ATL-SLC flights are full or close to full. They seem to release more inventory closer-in (likely due to people cancelling). Delta.com fare search won't always show broken fare options. Searching on delta.com for flights on May 12th shows nothing available, but ITA Matrix shows broken fare option with 5 hour connection which you can bring up on delta.com with bookwithmatrix. AA schedule may be more robust, but they seem to be cancelling many more flights close-in than DL is. AA mainline had 314 cancellations for today while DL mainline had 3. Lots of Envoy and PSA cancels today too.
Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 pm
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He's definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to CEO's.
Apr 27, 2020, 1:29 pm
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Not a DL flier but I fly UA out of their east hub EWR, and I can't even get to MSP directly right now. I have to connect thru ORD, and even then there are only 2 departing options. That said, if I fly 1 month later (June 5 vs May 5 for this example), I have four daily nonstop EWR -> MSP options.
I know this isn't the UA board but my points are (a) yes, it's happening with other carriers (even at their largest hubs) and (b) looking at dates a little further out, options can increase dramatically.
I know this isn't the UA board but my points are (a) yes, it's happening with other carriers (even at their largest hubs) and (b) looking at dates a little further out, options can increase dramatically.
Apr 27, 2020, 1:31 pm
#1409
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Not a DL flier but I fly UA out of their east hub EWR, and I can't even get to MSP directly right now. I have to connect thru ORD, and even then there are only 2 departing options. That said, if I fly 1 month later (June 5 vs May 5 for this example), I have four daily nonstop EWR -> MSP options.
I know this isn't the UA board but my points are (a) yes, it's happening with other carriers (even at their largest hubs) and (b) looking at dates a little further out, options can increase dramatically.
I know this isn't the UA board but my points are (a) yes, it's happening with other carriers (even at their largest hubs) and (b) looking at dates a little further out, options can increase dramatically.
Apr 27, 2020, 1:48 pm
#1410
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I don't think this is the "New Delta" its survival mode Delta. They have to maintain some level of flying because people still have to go places, but they are being extremely conservative. While I am enjoying the prospect of my flight being empty for comfort reasons, I prefer plane to be full because I don't want any company to lose money.