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MBM3 Dec 16, 2008 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 10918965)
I deal with reporters all the time -- so hopefully I held my own. My hesitation on the photo is I don't necessarily need my coworkers knowing I'm on FT. :o

I just got award availability to Zagreb with a 6 days in France along the way.

The only problem is the flight home is on a Czech a310 via Prague. ... I didn't even know the a310 still flew. :confused:

Anyone ever done that route before?

I haven't heard the best reviews. I would look at changing it to return from one of the other cities in the region. Remember, Italy is a short hop away.

Scott6067 Dec 16, 2008 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 10918815)
I will accept any volunteers that come and see me. I hold all boarding passes, number them as I take them and then use those seats as I need them. If any volunteers have connections it might get you eliminated from getting bumped unless I can rebook you without any major issues and/or you are willing to spend the night if need be. If you are sitting in F and wish to volunteer, I will ask and ask again that you understand that I might only be able to rebook you into Y class and if you agree then I will accept your seat for consideration.

If you are wondering why I hold your boarding pass, it's so you can't get on board and change your mind. With our automative oversale manager you are asked at checkin if you would like to be a volunteer but until you actually speak with me, I don't consider you as one. I like to ask what you are willing to do with regards to rebooking and if you are willing to spend the night, if need be. I also will want to keep you on CO if at all possible.

I was the first to volunter. Agent never asked if I would like to not go later, in fact, the agent had already booked me on later FC flights in the day on CO. The agent or someone else had protected me already. At least two other volunters, all that were taken were not only given $350 vouchers but one had a ticket bought on AA for her later in the day due to connection and the other volunteer was overnighting at CO expense. I would have been on all CO and would have made my connection at IAH. I volunteered at 6:30 am and the others volunteered later on.

Part of the reason that I wanted this bump was not only for the $$$ but also because it would have allowed me to have dinner potentially at IAH with my parents. the agent never taked about the FC issue. I just think that volunteers should go in the order received unless their is some costly reason why someone shouldn't be bumped. Next time I will hopefully be luckier.

SFOGATE - Have you ever had someone get angry about not getting a VDB?

monitor Dec 16, 2008 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 10918965)
I deal with reporters all the time -- so hopefully I held my own. My hesitation on the photo is I don't necessarily need my coworkers knowing I'm on FT. :o

You can run but you can't hide. :)

Seriously tho, in writing about this industry, most of the reporters for general interest publications have their own agendas and make it a practice to fit whatever is told them into the story in order to bolster their point.

You will also find that almost all of them come from the vantage of their desk and armchair and have very little real experience in dealing with the road and concomitantly little understanding of the real problems which are encountered.

belynch Dec 16, 2008 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 10918979)
Remember, Italy is a short hop away.

Very true. But the prospect of spending a night in Prague was very intriguing to me. Another option they offered was via LHR, but it would require spending the night in London. But, with the times, it wouldn't really make sense to go into the City. :o

Although, with the frequency I'm in Germany, I suppose I could just train it over to Prague for a weekend.

CO 1E Dec 16, 2008 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 10918965)
I deal with reporters all the time -- so hopefully I held my own. My hesitation on the photo is I don't necessarily need my coworkers knowing I'm on FT. :o

I just got award availability to Zagreb with a 6 days in France along the way.

The only problem is the flight home is on a Czech a310 via Prague. ... I didn't even know the a310 still flew. :confused:

Anyone ever done that route before?

What kind of aerogeek would pass up a ride on a 310 before they cease flying? ;)

CZ's international J is not much to write home about, from what I understand. Their intra-European J, however, is much better than most with respect to hard product. Why not fly PRG-LHR-JFK on CZ/VS?

belynch Dec 16, 2008 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 10919015)
Why not fly PRG-LHR-JFK on CZ/VS?

Interesting. Would that bump up the mileage depletion?

(regarding the interview - the reporter absolutely had an agenda, that I wasn't able to speak to. I'm actually surprised that it looks like they'll be using a quote or two of mine.)

MBM3 Dec 16, 2008 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 10919015)
What kind of aerogeek would pass up a ride on a 310 before they cease flying? ;)

CZ's international J is not much to write home about, from what I understand. Their intra-European J, however, is much better than most with respect to hard product. Why not fly PRG-LHR-JFK on CZ/VS?

Prague is excellent, but I think it would be a waste of miles to take CZ J.

sfogate Dec 16, 2008 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 10918991)

SFOGATE - Have you ever had someone get angry about not getting a VDB?

No, I haven't had anyone get mad at me for not getting a VDB, just those that were the overbooked ones.

Every GA works their overbooked flights differently. I just like to talk to those that are volunteering to see what they understand about the process and what they want out of it, if we use their seat. Some people want on the next flight and others, like yourself, want much later flights. I am to please as long as it all works within the guidelines that I have to follow.

MBM3 Dec 16, 2008 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 10919040)
Interesting. Would that bump up the mileage depletion?

It shouldnt, though it will be tough on the agent to ticket. Bottom line, have some fun and check all of your options. www.skyteam.com will help, as will we.

Taking VS across the pond, and the VS Clubhouse at LHR, make it all worthwhile! Or, for the geek in ya, try grabbing a 74M or MD11 out of AMS.

CO 1E Dec 16, 2008 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 10919040)
Interesting. Would that bump up the mileage depletion?

No.

There are myriad other Skyteam options to/within Europe. European reward options are an underappreciated jewel of Skyteam. Hell, you could go PRG-IST(CZ)-JFK(DL) if you wanted to.

Scott6067 Dec 16, 2008 5:04 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 10919066)
No, I haven't had anyone get mad at me for not getting a VDB, just those that were the overbooked ones.

Every GA works their overbooked flights differently. I just like to talk to those that are volunteering to see what they understand about the process and what they want out of it, if we use their seat. Some people want on the next flight and others, like yourself, want much later flights. I am to please as long as it all works within the guidelines that I have to follow.

Thanks for the insight!

ssullivan Dec 16, 2008 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 10918449)
How many people here have volunteered for bumps, been the first to do so, and then have the agent take others over you?

It's happened to me once, in 2006, on IAH-TYR. I was the first volunteer, and five were needed. Unfortunately the only other volunteers they could get were a family a five, with two adults and three young children. So I was put back on the flight and they were given the bump. Compensation was $250 + meal voucher and a flight about two hours later. That was the last time I volunteered, as I refuse to volunteer if it disrupts my work schedule, or if I'm confirmed in F on my original flight and will be in Y on the new flight.


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 10918449)
If they have, did you push to get the VDB for yourself?

No. And why should CO, or any airline, give the VDB voucher to anyone who gets on the original flight? You volunteered, but there's no guarantee they'll actually need you. If they don't, why should you be rewarded? It creates the impression that you're just trying to take advantage of the airline. To me asking for the voucher is just greedy.


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 10918449)
Does anyone know if being in FC lessens your chances of a VDB?

It might. They may assume that you'd rather have the F seat on the original flight than a bad Y seat on a later flight. And if they bump you, then they have to upgrade an elite who has already boarded, then give that Y seat to someone else. That's extra work that the agent just might not have been willing to do.

I'm sure that the ease of rebooking also comes into play here, especially if you have a connection. Other issues, such as checked baggage, may also be factored in.

CO 1E Dec 16, 2008 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 10919067)
It shouldnt, though it will be tough on the agent to ticket. Bottom line, have some fun and check all of your options. www.skyteam.com will help, as will we.

Taking VS across the pond, and the VS Clubhouse at LHR, make it all worthwhile! Or, for the geek in ya, try grabbing a 74M or MD11 out of AMS.

It won't be tough on the agent - it may take them a bit longer to ticket it if they aren't used to doing complex partner rewards, but they will be able to do it without issue. Recently, I had itineraries like IAD-LHR(VS)-CDG-IST(AF)-PRG(stopover)-AMS-LHR(overnight)-IAD(VS) ticketed and changed without issue.

ssullivan Dec 16, 2008 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 10918868)
I have been interviewed by the WSJ though I do not know if it made print. It was one of my rants about hotels putting in nice flat screens and not providing HiDef service. To this day I rarely turn on the TV in hotel rooms.

That does seem to be improving, at least in new construction properties. I've stayed in two aLofts and three Hampton Inn and Suites opened in the last 12 months that not only have HD TVs, but actual HDTV service.

Scott6067 Dec 16, 2008 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 10919107)
No. And why should CO, or any airline, give the VDB voucher to anyone who gets on the original flight? You volunteered, but there's no guarantee they'll actually need you. If they don't, why should you be rewarded? It creates the impression that you're just trying to take advantage of the airline. To me asking for the voucher is just greedy.

When I mention this I mean in the since should one press the be the person VDBing, not get the voucher if one makes the flight.


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