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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Apr 14, 2013, 11:56 pm
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Is there any way to book this MR with a week or two stay in SIN? Would that significantly impact the price? Thanks!
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 9:11 pm
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Smile 8-10 days or more poss 5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM $1315.40

Originally Posted by gb6
Is there any way to book this MR with a week or two stay in SIN? Would that significantly impact the price? Thanks!
$1315.40 Dep Nov 4 Ret Nov 12, 13, 18, 19 20, 21
Starting Nov 4 can return on any dates listed, this routing is
SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM 5.2 cpm

Let me know if you are able to book the flight, use Delta.com and pick your flights by schedule, price will show after you have selected both flights, if you don't do it that way the routing thru JFK may not show, have a good trip. I am going in Dec and won't be able to get as good a price for the miles.

Cheers!

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Old Apr 15, 2013, 9:39 pm
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I suggest going through LAX-SYD-DPS and DPS-SIN on KLM. There are some really great fares.
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 11:58 pm
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Originally Posted by currentjer
I suggest going through LAX-SYD-DPS and DPS-SIN on KLM. There are some really great fares.
How many MQM are you talking about and what is cpm cost?
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Old Apr 16, 2013, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by currentjer
I suggest going through LAX-SYD-DPS and DPS-SIN on KLM. There are some really great fares.
Do you have any dates and price
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Old Apr 23, 2013, 12:20 am
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Fares as of Apr 22

1305.90 ai Nov 4-7, 25-28 5.16 cpm 25,318 MQM
Higher on other dates!

$1305.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO Oct 21-24, 28-31
24,976 MQM at 5.23 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
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Old Apr 26, 2013, 11:20 am
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Fares as of Apr 26

1305.20 Nov 4-7, 25-28 5.16 cpm 25,318 MQM, $.70 less than a few days ago,

checked fares on a flt from SMF LAX which was delayed about 4:15. Doing a MR on Mon SMF ATL DTW LGA DTW LAX SMF 6169 MQM for $271.40 4.4 cpm in about 24 hrs if no delays?? Will see, have been upgraded for whole route and there is a meal from DTW LAX, will see how it goes. Cheers
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Old May 1, 2013, 8:01 am
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Singapore MR and System Wide Upgrades

I will be PM with Delta at the end of this month. I would like to use the system wide upgrades on my singapore MR in November. Will I still get the MQMs with Delta? Obviously I don't want to jeopardize that as it is the main if not sole purpose in going.
I know I have to upgrade to Y,B, or M class. Is that going to be significantly more expensive? Thoughts?

I'm just thinking how much nicer it would be to ride first class over coach (even though I know I can select Economy Comfort for free once Platinum)

I appreciate any feedback.
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Old May 1, 2013, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by gte747e
I will be PM with Delta at the end of this month. I would like to use the system wide upgrades on my singapore MR in November. Will I still get the MQMs with Delta? Obviously I don't want to jeopardize that as it is the main if not sole purpose in going.
I know I have to upgrade to Y,B, or M class. Is that going to be significantly more expensive? Thoughts?

I'm just thinking how much nicer it would be to ride first class over coach (even though I know I can select Economy Comfort for free once Platinum)

I appreciate any feedback.
YBM will be significantly more expensive -- minimum of double maybe triple for M and M no longer earns the 50% MQM bonus that it once did. And 4x the cheapest fare for B which will earn the extra MQMs.
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Ok. So I guess it is not worth it and I should just get the full "coach experience" since the whole point was to earn as many SkyMiles as possible at minimal cost.
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Old May 2, 2013, 1:49 am
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Smile Report on MR SMF ATL DTW LGA DTW LAX SMF

Originally Posted by Csfing1
Fares as of Apr 26

1305.20 Nov 4-7, 25-28 5.16 cpm 25,318 MQM, $.70 less than a few days ago,

checked fares on a flt from SMF LAX which was delayed about 4:15. Doing a MR on Mon SMF ATL DTW LGA DTW LAX SMF 6169 MQM for $271.40 4.4 cpm in about 24 hrs if no delays?? Will see, have been upgraded for whole route and there is a meal from DTW LAX, will see how it goes. Cheers
SMF ATL DTW great, no problems but DTW LGA delayed 2 hours will miss LGA DTW flight so now for the changes, agent has following route available DTW JFK LAX SMF, first class not available from DTW JFK, but did get aisle seat up front, 3 hr layover in JFK, flight from JFK LAX is 767 DL 17 which continues on to SYD and have been upgraded to 5D which is window aisle as all seats are aisle and has lie flat seats which are great as long as you are not too wide. Food much better than in coach. Have lost upgrade from LAX SMF but talking with receptionist in SkyClub in JFK and call to reservations reinstates seat. This routing gives 3 more MQM than original routing from 6169 to 6172. Fare was $271.40 at 4.4 cpm not a true MR but better than the one to SIN and was in first class except for DTW JFK segment. Would be happy to do that run again if it becomes available for same fare - 24 hours - short and sweet. New terminal and SkyClub in JFK not open yet. Time for shower in ATL, 3 hour layover there. Fares too high for next few months, probably better in the fall.
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Old May 6, 2013, 11:47 pm
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Smile Fares as of May 6, 2013

There are two routings even though fares are the same, first thru JFK out and return, second out thru JFK and return thru ATL which yields 342 less MQM

Choose later flights to get these prices on return on some dates to get this price as earlier flight may be much more!

$1315.40 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28, Dec 2-5
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

$1315.40 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 9-12, 16-19, 23-26, Sep 30-Oct 3, 7-10, 21-24.
24,976 MQM at 5.23 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
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Old May 12, 2013, 12:26 am
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Fares on May 12

$1315.30 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

Didn't check for Sep and Oct, too busy, which will probably be ret thru ATL and a few less MQM and probably be the same fare,
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Old May 12, 2013, 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
$1315.30 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

Didn't check for Sep and Oct, too busy, which will probably be ret thru ATL and a few less MQM and probably be the same fare,
what about BKK?
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Old May 13, 2013, 7:10 pm
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Sfo atl nrt bkk nrt lax sfo

Originally Posted by DL2SXM
what about BKK?
Fare for this routing is $1371.10. 20,635 MQM at 6.64 cpm for Nov 11 out ret Nov 14. Not as good as SIN routing which is $1315.30 for 25,318 MQM at 5.2 cpm
SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

Wasn't able to price thru JFK, can call DL and see if they will do fit for you, let me know what you find out.

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