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FlyerTalk Forums Thread Wiki: DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add / f ~bc=e to the end of the routing codes, e.g. dl+ dtw nrt / f ~bc=e

See post 1329 for some screenshots.

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is listed as "coming soon".

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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Old Jun 15, 17, 8:31 am   #2011
  
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Has anyone done the Sin run where they get in from NRT at 12:10am and then taken the flight to ICN at 1:10am?

I have done the regular back and forth routing to/from NRT, but never the ICN alternative.

It sounds like a pretty tight turn (especially since it's not a connecting flight, but a return flight).

Thanks for any insights.
See this thread in the DL forum: Very quick turn @ SIN

It might work, but I don't think I'd try it.
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Old Jun 15, 17, 9:57 am   #2012
  
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See this thread in the DL forum: Very quick turn @ SIN

It might work, but I don't think I'd try it.
Thank you very much, that is exactly what I was questioning...and many of my concerns are discussed there.
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Old Jun 16, 17, 11:04 pm   #2013
  
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immigration procedure update

I clicked the link on the Delta website regarding Chaingi Airport's new eIACS suggesting enrolment. Has anyone had any experience with this?
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Old Jun 20, 17, 12:38 am   #2014
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Smile Some good fares IAH SIN Sep and Oct

IAH DTW/ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW/ATL IAH
$626 Sep 11-13, 11-14, 4-6, 4-7, 4-8
$631-$637 Oct 2-4, 2-5, 16-18
$675 Sep 18-20, 18-21, 18-22
Some good prices in Sep ~ 3.0+ cpm
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Old Jun 20, 17, 5:24 am   #2015
  
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IAH DTW/ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW/ATL IAH
$626 Sep 11-13, 11-14, 4-6, 4-7, 4-8
$631-$637 Oct 2-4, 2-5, 16-18
$675 Sep 18-20, 18-21, 18-22
Some good prices in Sep ~ 3.0+ cpm
I'm seeing Delta flights out of MDW via DTW and NRT to SIN for about $737 on many of those dates.
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Old Jun 20, 17, 6:05 am   #2016
  
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This is probably too high for a strict mileage/status run, but I'm seeing airfares for $1500-ish via Amsterdam. This could be interesting because Delta's global upgrade certificates are supposed to be valid on KLM. Additionally, KLM's paid cash upgrades, either bought online or at AMS, are a little more affordable.

For example: 8/30-9/4 - MDW-DTW-AMS-SIN-AMS-ATL-MDW / $1596.36 / 21,993 MQMs and 15,994 redeemable miles for me, as a diamond. https://goo.gl/flights/t8PV
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Old Jun 20, 17, 10:36 am   #2017
  
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$892 / LAX-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO / 24,061 MQMs

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Los Angeles (LAX) to Atlanta (ATL) — Tue, Sep 19
Delta 1195
Dep: 11:55 pm
Arr: 7:10 am

Wed, Sep 20
Atlanta (ATL) to Detroit (DTW) — Wed, Sep 20
Delta 201
Dep: 9:05 am
Arr: 11:05 am

Detroit (DTW) to Tokyo (NRT) — Wed, Sep 20
Delta 275
Dep: 12:10 pm
Arr: 2:15 pm

Thu, Sep 21
Tokyo (NRT) to Singapore (SIN) — Thu, Sep 21
Delta 167
Dep: 5:35 pm
Arr: 12:10 am

Fri, Sep 22
Singapore (SIN) to Tokyo (NRT) — Mon, Sep 25
Delta 166
Dep: 5:50 am
Arr: 2:20 pm

Tokyo (NRT) to Detroit (DTW) — Mon, Sep 25
Delta 276
Dep: 3:55 pm
Arr: 2:32 pm

Detroit (DTW) to San Francisco (SFO) — Tue, Sep 26
Delta 745
Dep: 8:30 am
Arr: 10:33 am
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Old Jun 22, 17, 9:28 pm   #2018
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Smile Good News

UG DTW NRT on 744 came thru so now on UD and waitlisted for NRT SIN and NRT ATL. In SEA SC waiting for last flight SEA SMF which is the end of our trip SMF LAX SFO DTW AMS BHX AMS PDX LAX SEA PDX SEA SMF. That was not a MR but a working trip to BHX and stopover in PDX on way home. Now with 97,653 MQM and 2 more trips to SIN will be DM for every year since it was started! Some of you must have some trip reports, please post. On OB flt LAX SFO was delayed so would miss SFO DTW and rest of itinerary so it was arranged to get earlier flt which was delayed and going about same time as original flight and they had to change checked bags so they would be on same plane, was done efficiently so when we arrived BHX bags were there! On ret after clearing customs in PDX tried to get DL to check bags thru to PDX again as orig trip ended in LAX and we needed to get back to PDX that night LAX SEA PDX. Agent said have never done that, after some discussion she said I will keep them for you and you can pick them up when you get back to PDX otherwise would have to claim bags in LAX and recheck which I was trying to avoid. Flights from SMF LAX and LAX SEA PDX SEA SMF were done with SM at very low numbers 5.5-8,000 and that is why we made so many excursions to SEA which has a very nice new SC at A1. SC at LAX - T3 temporary crowded and not good new one next year. T2 only saw temporary one after big switch from T5 and T6. To get between T2 and T3 bus shuttles or go out and clear security again. CLEAR is now available at LAX and is free for DM. Saves time as long as you also have PreChek. KLM club in AMS good and did get access to club in BHX as DM.

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Old Jun 23, 17, 8:22 am   #2019
  
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In SEA SC waiting for last flight SEA SMF which is the end of our trip SMF LAX SFO DTW AMS BHX AMS PDX LAX SEA PDX SEA SMF.
Bloody hell.
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Old Jun 23, 17, 2:29 pm   #2020
  
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Playing around looking for mdw-sin run on delta.com and when I click on the mileage estimator after selecting the flights for the trip the MQM's for the mdw-dtw and dtw-mdw both show as zero, leaving the MQM's earned at 19,450 for the trip.

Is that accurate?

Or do I get 1,000 more miles??
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Old Jun 23, 17, 2:45 pm   #2021
  
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There seems to be an issue with MQM calculations on itineraries involving Delta Connection flights. See for example this thread in the DL forum:

Book With Matrix result shows 0 MQMs?
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Old Jun 25, 17, 1:38 pm   #2022
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Smile Fares on Jun 25, 2017 from IAH

Finally had a few minutes to check out fares this am and again the best fares for Sep and early Oct are from IAH which will require a positioning flight for most of you. The fares range from $636.15 with MQM from 19,450 (thru DTW both ways) 20,592 thru ATL and DTW) and - 21,734 (thru ATL both ways) with cpm from 2.90-3.24 cpm. There are multiple dates and with some you can spend one or 2 days in SIN. Fares from Dl.com. Did not check beyond mid Oct but if you do and get good prices please post. Following are some examples
$625.26 19,450 MQM 3.22 cpm Sep 4-6 thru DTW both ways
$625.26 21,734 MQM 2.88 cpm Sep 11-13 thru ATL both ways LOWEST FARE
$625.26 20,592 MQM 3.04 cpm Sep 12-14, Oct 2-4 thru ATL out and DTW in
$630.86 19,570 MQM 3.24 cpm thru DTW both in and out Sep 4-6, 4-7, 4-8
$630.86 21,734 MQM 2.90 cpm thru ATL in and out Sep 13-20, we are going out on this date thru DTW on 744 and have UG to UD, coming back thru ATL on Sep 20 and waitlisted for J

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Old Jun 25, 17, 11:16 pm   #2023
  
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I'm seeing Delta flights out of MDW via DTW and NRT to SIN for about $737 on many of those dates.
Same here. I looked in the month of September and saw $697 - $737. Both Chicago and IAH have pretty good fares. Depending upon your home airport and the cost of the positioning flight, one might be a better deal than the other.
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Old Jun 26, 17, 8:26 am   #2024
  
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the cheap iah fares just went up $100 as I was poking through looking for some flights with decent seats available.
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Old Jun 26, 17, 5:10 pm   #2025
  
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Trip Report

Did a run back around mid-May. Departed on Sat - SFO-SLC-LAS for repositioning in LAS. Then LAS-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN, 2 days in SIN, then SIN-NRT-DTW-LAS. LAS-SJC.

Used a GUC but was waitlisted the wholeway for the most part. GUC cleared at gate. Got 13 middle on 747. It was a comfortable seat because it was very private to be in the last row, despite having no window view. A bit of a disappointment in this seat though because its the last seat to get meal orders and most good choice are gone by then. NRT-SIN - 767 got cleared at the gate as well and stuck in the middle. Uneventful trip IMO. All full flights with biz travelers.

Things of interest - when I departed SIN, customs directed me to use the automated clearance system. I am not signed up for the system at all, but I had no issues with it.

Not as tiring this time compared to my SIN run last Sept in all economy.
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