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Old Apr 29, 2020, 5:16 pm
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Bonus question concerning state capitols in the U.S. that did have jet service in 1970:

Juneau, Alaska - Besides AS with B727-100 service, I believe Western was also serving JNU with the Boeing 720B.

Cheyenne, Wyoming - Western again but with the B737-200 into CYS.
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Originally Posted by jrl767
STATE CAPITOLS BONUS Q:
Pierre and Cheyenne saw Western 737s Correct! However, Pierre also saw jet service from another airline...
Bismarck and Helena saw Northwest 727s Correct! However, both Bismarck and Helena saw jet service from another airline

PIR - Frontier 737 Incorrect This should be easy for you now!
BIS - Frontier 737 Correct!
HLN - Western 737 Correct!
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 5:30 pm
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Bonus question update

Bonus Question: Of the state capitals INCORRECTLY listed below, identify which airline(s) and jet(s) served each one.
Important Note:
We're still missing some states whose capitals do not have jet service per my 1970 OAG

Augusta, ME Correct!
Concord, NH Correct!
Montpelier, VT Correct!
Dover, DE Correct!
Annapolis, MD Correct!
Frankfort, KY Correct!
Topeka, KS Correct!
Pierre, SD Incorrect! WA 737 & NC D9S Correct .
Bismark, ND Incorrect! NW 727 & FL 737 Correct
Helena, MT Incorrect! NW 727 & WA 737 Correct
Cheyenne, WY Incorrect! WA 737 Correct
Carson City, NV Correct!
Olympia, WA Correct!
Juneau, AK Incorrect!.AS 727 & WA 720B Correct
Harrisburg, PA Incorrect! AL D9S is Correct. TWA also served MDT with a jet, but not a DC9
Salem, OR Incorrect! UA 73S is Correct
Jefferson City, MO Correct! (Jefferson City does have its own airport, but was served commercially through Columbia, MO (COU). Thanks to jrl767 for this update
Lincoln, NE Incorrect! FL 73S and United 727 & 73S are Correct.
Trenton, NJ Correct!
Santa Fe, NM Correct!

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Old Apr 29, 2020, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Bonus question concerning state capitols in the U.S. that did have jet service in 1970:

Juneau, Alaska - Besides AS with B727-100 service, I believe Western was also serving JNU with the Boeing 720B.

I believe you are correct, Sir

Cheyenne, Wyoming - Western again but with the B737-200 into CYS.

Yep! That's the one we're looking for.
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Nothing like a few OTAQ&D questions to spice up the ennui of sheltering in place! We're off to a great start, guys...

As always, please limit your response to no more than two questions per day so that all may participate. And as always, we are looking for complete answers here. Answers that include terms like "possibly" or "probably" et al are not acceptable. Please be specific. Thanks!

2. (1985) You’ve had a great weekend in Orlando, FL but before you can return home to Mississippi you first need to attend to some business up in White Plains, NY. Though you were expecting to fly into LaGuardia and rent a car, you’re surprised to find that one airline offers a one stop direct flight to nearby Westchester County Airport that departs Orlando every afternoon except Saturday. Perfect. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

3. (1985) With your business in White Plains completed, it’s time to return home to Jackson, Mississippi. What’s that they say about when you die and go to heaven, you’ll probably connect in Atlanta? Hartsfield sometimes feels like a second home, and not always a happy home at that. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a three stop direct flight from White Plains straight through to Jackson. First Class is available and dinner will be served along the way. Name the airline, the aircraft and the two stops in order please.

4. (1995) To your great disappointment, your son has signed a letter of intent to play for the University of Florida Gators next year, not your beloved Nittany Lions of Penn State. On a positive note, at least there’s a direct one stop flight from your home outside Wilkes-Barre, PA straight down to the Gainesville, Florida airport. Identify the airline, aircraft and the intermediate stop.

5. Based upon the visual clues in this photo, can you identify the aircraft and the airline that operates it?


6. (1970) Identify each of the state capitols that did not have any jet service in 1970
In Progress. See post 18611 for latest updates to Bonus Question

7. (1988) You get around more than most people in your home state of Maine. Indeed, Arkansas is the only state you haven’t yet been to, so when business calls in the form of a sales appointment in Little Rock, you couldn’t be happier. Wrong! You are happier upon discovering a three-stop direct flight departing Bangor each morning. Better yet, it offers First Class! Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft and the three enroute stops in order.

8. (1979) You’ve spent the afternoon testifying in front of the House Subcommittee on Transportation and have just received a call from your office informing you that you need to be in Toledo, Ohio for a morning meeting with executives from American Motors Corporation. Your pocket flight guide indicates that the DCA-TOL market just happens to be served by a single nonstop flight departing out of National every evening at 700p. You quickly book a seat and then head down to the Metro for the short ride out to National. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.

9. (1979) Your meeting in Toledo went well and now, with nothing pressing on your engagement calendar for the upcoming weekend, why not head on out to Las Vegas to decompress by the poolside bar at the Tropicana? As luck would have it, there’s a single daily three-stop direct flight departing Toledo tomorrow morning. Breakfast and a snack will be served along the way. Name the airline, the aircraft and the three enroute stops in order.

10. (1998) You need to fly from Indianapolis to Orlando. Due to some recently discovered circulatory problems in your left leg, your doctor has advised you to either avoid flying or, if you must, fly First Class. Well then, First Class it is. Your hometown airline – American Trans Air – does offer a daily nonstop but alas, no First Class. Same goes for Southwest which also offers a daily nonstop. Well dang! Hey! What’s this?! There are two additional airlines that also offer a single nonstop flight between Indy and Orlando and both of those flights offer First Class. Each airline operates a different aircraft type. Identify both airlines and the equipment each uses for these flights.

11. Based upon the visual clues in this photo, can you identify the aircraft and the airline that operates it?


12. (1985) This is the year you finally take the family to Disney World! Disneyland is closer to your home in Portland, Oregon but Orlando also offers SeaWorld, Baseball World and Circus World. Though it’s always a challenge flying anywhere with three young children, you’re pleased to discover that between Portland and Orlando there’s a single daily one stop direct flight. Identify the airline, aircraft and enroute stops.
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13. (1985) While the wife and kids fly back home to Portland, you’ve got business in Cleveland. From your days of living in Cleveland, you recall that United is probably the airline to call. Indeed, UA does offer a nonstop from Orlando up to Cleveland but the timing doesn’t work. Thankfully, a different airline now also offers a daily nonstop flight between MCO and CLE, and the timing couldn’t be better. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying up to Cleveland.

14. (1995) Although New York City’s three major airports are well served by flights to and from San Juan, PR, the same cannot be said for its outlying airports in White Plains and Newburgh. There are no nonstop or direct flights out of White Plains to anywhere in the Caribbean. Thankfully, Newburgh has one twice weekly one stop direct flight to and from San Juan. That’ll work. Now you can tell your housekeeper Rosa that as a token of your appreciation for all her hard work, you’ll be sending her home to San Juan for a visit with her family. Identify the airline, aircraft and enroute stop for the relevant flight out of Newburgh.

15. (1979) You’re now in Dallas and need to get to Milwaukee for a breakfast conference tomorrow morning. You imagine there should be a good variety of nonstops but are surprised to find mostly multi-stop flights with only a single nonstop that departs DFW in the early evening. That’ll work! Which airline and aircraft type will you be flying upon?
It's not Midwest Express

16. (1979) (The jlemon special) From Milwaukee you’re off to Denver. Unfortunately, the three nonstop flights are all sold out, probably due to Gart Brothers’ huge annual Sniagrab Sale. (For those who don’t know, Sniagrab = Bargains spelled backwards. It’s one of the country’s largest winter sports equipment sales). Thankfully, there are three seats still available aboard a four-stop direct flight departing Milwaukee this afternoon. On a positive note, this’ll be a good opportunity to make inroads into your dog-eared copy of Tolstoy’s War And Peace, so there is that. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon as well as the four airports you’ll be flying through on your air-tour of middle America.
A N S W E R E D

17. (1989) You’ve got some old air miles sitting around in your frequent flyer account and you’ve just received notice from the airline that they’re due to expire in three months. From your home in Seattle, you’ve got just enough miles for a domestic roundtrip within the continental U.S., so a ski vacation in Utah on the powdery slopes of Alta might be nice. Unfortunately, your airline doesn’t fly nonstop from Seattle to Salt Lake, but it does offer a single daily one-stop direct flight. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the intermediate stop.
It's not UA via SFO with a 72S

18. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, which two states are served by just a single jet aircraft type? Identify each state and the jet aircraft type (variant specific, please) that serves it uniquely.

19. (1998) Not counting international flights, what is the longest commercial flight out of Colorado? We’re looking for the route, the airline and the aircraft type.

20. (1989) You need to fly from Newport News, VA to Orlando, FL next Wednesday. Flying anywhere out of PHF generally means a connection, so when your company’s travel office informs you that there’s now a nonstop flight departing Newport News’ Patrick Henry Field that’ll get you into Orlando in the early afternoon, you couldn’t be happier. Book it, please. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this flight.

21. (1979) In jlemon’s recent set of questions, you needed to get from Reno across the country to Smoky Mountains National Park. Now, after having hiked a 98 mile section of the Appalachian Trail, it’s time to return to Reno. Your closest airport is still in Knoxville and there just happens to be a 2-stop direct flight departing Knoxville every afternoon, seven days a week. You’ve booked a First Class seat and are already looking forward to that first cold beer after takeoff. Name the airline you’ll be flying upon as well as the aircraft and the two enroute stops.

22. (1988) Good Lord! The heat and humidity of this summer in Atlanta is as bad as it’s ever been and probably worse! Imagine then your surprise and delight when a couple of old friends from college daze call to ask if you’d care to join them on a six day backpacking trip doing the Rae Lakes Loop in King’s Canyon National Park. Whaaaat?!! OMG, Yes!!! You indicate you’ll buy a ticket out and back as soon as you can figure out which airport is closest to Kings Canyon N.P. Following a brief search, you find that there is a single daily direct one-stop flight from Atlanta to the airport you’ll need to fly into. A snack and dinner will be served along the way. Identify that airport as well as the airline, aircraft and the single enroute stop.

23. (1985) Over the years many airlines have operated single class configured aircraft in the busy New York to Los Angeles market. In mid-1985 just one airline operates nonstop flights with them. Identify that airline and the aircraft type it uses.
It's not an MGM Grand Air D8S or a World DC10

25. (1995) You and your wife are finally taking that long awaited vacation to Puerto Vallarta Mexico. From your home outside Kansas City, MO you’re not surprised to find there are neither direct nor nonstop flights. You’re gonna have to connect somewhere. Hey! Why not San Diego? You can spend a couple of days with the in-laws at their palatial digs up in La Jolla before continuing on to PVR. There’s a single nonstop each day between MCI and SAN and, as luck would have it, a single nonstop each day between SAN and PVR. Identify each of the relevant airlines and aircraft types operating these flights.

26. (1979) Your favorite hometown guitarist – Steve Kimock – is playing with Martin Fierro and his band The Underdogs at the Garland Theater in Spokane, Washington. You’ve been fortunate enough to have been comped tickets by your buddy, the band’s equipment manager – if you can get there. You call both United and Hughes Airwest but to no avail. Not only are the Underdogs in town but the Pacific Northwest Dry Cleaner’s Symposium is also happening that week. Finally you call a travel agency and are gobsmacked to find a single coach class seat on an airline you never would have considered for a flight from SFO up to GEG. The flight makes one stop but the price is right and you’ll arrive Spokane 2 hours before show time. Name the airline, aircraft and stopover point for this flight.

28. (1985) Finally! Kansas City has a direct one-stop flight to Hawaii! No more long and occasionally annoying connections on the west coast. On the downside, this flight does have a change of gauge at the enroute stop which is almost as bad as a connection. Still, the price is right and so you book a couple of seats. Identify the airline, the connecting point and the two aircraft types involved.

30. (1988) You fly often between San Francisco and Reno, especially in the winter when heavy snows make travel over I-80 hazardous if not impossible. Three airlines offer nonstop flights out of SFO and the most popular aircraft type, operated by all three airlines, is scheduled for eight of those mostly daily flights. Identify each of the three airlines as well as the aircraft type referenced.
It's not a 737 or 72S. AA & UA have been correctly identified

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Old Apr 29, 2020, 7:13 pm
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30. (1988) You fly often between San Francisco and Reno, especially in the winter when heavy snows make travel over I-80 hazardous if not impossible. Three airlines offer nonstop flights out of SFO and the most popular aircraft type, operated by all three airlines, is scheduled for eight of those mostly daily flights. Identify each of the three airlines as well as the aircraft type referenced.
Going to guess 727-200. And since that rules out WN, it's UA, AA and Delta.
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Originally Posted by jrl767
STATE CAPITOLS BONUS Q:
PIR - WA 737 Correct! Frontier 737 Incorrect This should be easy for you now!
BIS - Frontier 737 Correct!
HLN - Western 737 Correct!

PIR - hows about Herman (NC DC9/D9S)

Well, uh... first off, I'm tempted to call you on incorrect use of that apostrophe on "how's". It seems like there's no need for it. How is about? Whut tha - Oh wait! This is airline stuff - Okay, well then Herman is korekt! Gud job, J!
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
30. (1988) You fly often between San Francisco and Reno, especially in the winter when heavy snows make travel over I-80 hazardous if not impossible. Three airlines offer nonstop flights out of SFO and the most popular aircraft type, operated by all three airlines, is scheduled for eight of those mostly daily flights. Identify each of the three airlines as well as the aircraft type referenced.

Going to guess 727-200. And since that rules out WN, it's UA, AA and Delta.

1988 - 727-200 is a good guess, YVR. Unfortunately, it's the wrong guess for this question. You've got AA & UA right though. Please, guess again!
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1. (1989) You love to scuba dive, especially in the Caymans. Indeed, the Grand Cayman wall is considered by many to be one of the best dive destinations in the world! From your home on Long Island, NY the only downside to having to travel to or from the Caymans is having to connect through that third world hellhole masquerading as an airport in Miami. Thankfully one airline has finally seen fit to offer a direct one stop flight from the Caymans to JFK. Identify that airline, the equipment it uses for this flight and of course the enroute stop.
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I know this is answered, but being MIA is my hometown airport that I worked out of for 10 years, I take exception that it's a third world hellhole.

However like it's code, there are many things that made it Missing In Action.
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I know this is answered, but being MIA is my hometown airport that I worked out of for 10 years, I take exception that it's a third world hellhole.
Totally understood, TB - keep in mind the timeline here. Back in the 70s and 80s, Miami was not nearly as nice an airport as it is today, though based upon a variety of airport rankings, many still hesitate to call it "nice". My first visit to MIA was in April of 1978 and from then through the 80s I made quite a few trips through there. The terminal left much to be desired. Thank God for Eastern's Ionosphere Club! I remember the carpet being damp and smelly in United's F Concourse and how narrow those old concourses were. That said, if you're flying through on American, the D Concourse is fairly modern though you'll often get a lot of exercise connecting from one gate to another. Add to that an air-conditioning system that doesn't always seem to keep up, along with a poor selection of restaurants and certainly one of most disorganized customs facilities I have experienced and, well, while not the "hell-hole" of the 80s, it's a long way from being an airport I look forward to flying through.

Others apparently agree. Here are up to date reviews from the noted airline and airport review and ranking site SkyTrax ...

Miami Airport Reviews

It still beats LGA and JFK though!
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I consider MNL a 3rd world hellhole compared to MIA

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16. (1979) (The jlemon special) From Milwaukee you’re off to Denver. Unfortunately, the three nonstop flights are all sold out, probably due to Gart Brothers’ huge annual Sniagrab Sale. (For those who don’t know, Sniagrab = Bargains spelled backwards. It’s one of the country’s largest winter sports equipment sales). Thankfully, there are three seats still available aboard a four-stop direct flight departing Milwaukee this afternoon. On a positive note, this’ll be a good opportunity to make inroads into your dog-eared copy of Tolstoy’s War And Peace, so there is that. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon as well as the four airports you’ll be flying through on your air-tour of middle America.
Let me get a stab at this one:

Western on a milk run MKE-MSP-FSD-PIR-RAP-DEN on a 737-200

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I consider MNL a 3rd world hellhole compared to MIA
Definitely! Way worse, from what I hear. A friend of mine worked out of Manila for a couple of years and had quite a few horror stories.

The timeline on my question referencing MIA as a "Third World Hell-Hole" was 1989 and a lot of improvements have been made since then. Additionally, "Third World Hell-Hole" sounded fun to use in formulating the question, but in reality I always found Miami tolerable but in need of many improvements. The one thing I always did look forward to when passing through MIA was a visit to the Top Of The Port Restaurant atop the Miami International Airport Hotel. The food and service up there were excellent and of course the views were superb. Unfortunately, the hotel has discontinued breakfast service up there, opting instead for some place called Air Margaritaville down on the 2nd floor. I haven't eaten there yet, but from the pictures I've seen the views of the concourses and runways would appear to be nonexistent.

In my personal travels, I can't say I've ever encountered any airports that were true "Hell-holes" as the vernacular goes. Bangkok's old Don Muang Airport when I flew through there in '87 left much to be desired. Cape Town's old airport was nothing to write home about either. The new one built prior to South Africa's hosting the World Cup in 2010 is a very nice facility. Same goes for the old Jan Smuts in Johannesburg compared to the new Oliver Tambo that serves that city today. And how could I almost forget the old International Airport at Kuala Lumpur? Musty, crowded, dirty. Thankfully I've been fortunate to have traveled through all these facilities while traveling in First or Business Class, so I always had air conditioned lounge access. I remember flying into KL on Air Asia a few years back and having to use the old Low Cost Terminal. MIA was heads and tails better than that!

If I'm coming through Miami again someday, maybe we could meet up at MIA. I'll buy you breakfast - or at least a beer depending upon the time of day

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16. (1979)(The jlemon special) From Milwaukee you’re off to Denver. Unfortunately, the three nonstop flights are all sold out, probably due to Gart Brothers’ huge annual Sniagrab Sale. (For those who don’t know, Sniagrab = Bargains spelled backwards. It’s one of the country’s largest winter sports equipment sales). Thankfully, there are three seats still available aboard a four-stop direct flight departing Milwaukee this afternoon. On a positive note, this’ll be a good opportunity to make inroads into your dog-eared copy of Tolstoy’s War And Peace, so there is that. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon as well as the four airports you’ll be flying through on your air-tour of middle America.

Let me get a stab at this one: Western on a milk run MKE-MSP-FSD-PIR-RAP-DEN on a 737-200

Well I'll be damned! How did you know that one! I figured it might be out there a while longer. But hey - correct! by the way. Here's the schedule:

Western WA 475 Milwaukee (MKE) 325p-420p Minneapolis (MSP) 450p-535p Sioux Falls (FSD) Pierre (PIR) 600p-641p Rapid City (RAP) 647p-744p Denver (DEN) 737-200 Daily

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