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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.

Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.

Old Apr 30, 2020, 5:29 pm
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Nothing like a few OTAQ&D questions to spice up the ennui of sheltering in place! We're off to a great start, guys...

As always, please limit your response to no more than two questions per day so that all may participate. And as always, we are looking for complete answers here. Answers that include terms like "possibly" or "probably" et al are not acceptable. Please be specific. Thanks!

2. (1985) You’ve had a great weekend in Orlando, FL but before you can return home to Mississippi you first need to attend to some business up in White Plains, NY. Though you were expecting to fly into LaGuardia and rent a car, you’re surprised to find that one airline offers a one stop direct flight to nearby Westchester County Airport that departs Orlando every afternoon except Saturday. Perfect. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

3. (1985) With your business in White Plains completed, it’s time to return home to Jackson, Mississippi. What’s that they say about when you die and go to heaven, you’ll probably connect in Atlanta? Hartsfield sometimes feels like a second home, and not always a happy home at that. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a three stop direct flight from White Plains straight through to Jackson. First Class is available and dinner will be served along the way. Name the airline, the aircraft and the two stops in order please.

4. (1995) To your great disappointment, your son has signed a letter of intent to play for the University of Florida Gators next year, not your beloved Nittany Lions of Penn State. On a positive note, at least there’s a direct one stop flight from your home outside Wilkes-Barre, PA straight down to the Gainesville, Florida airport. Identify the airline, aircraft and the intermediate stop.
A N S W E R E D

5. Based upon the visual clues in this photo, can you identify the aircraft and the airline that operates it?

A N S W E R E D - Trans Canada DC-8-40

6. (1970) Identify each of the state capitols that did not have any jet service in 1970
A N S W E R E D

7. (1988) You get around more than most people in your home state of Maine. Indeed, Arkansas is the only state you haven’t yet been to, so when business calls in the form of a sales appointment in Little Rock, you couldn’t be happier. Wrong! You are happier upon discovering a three-stop direct flight departing Bangor each morning. Better yet, it offers First Class! Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft and the three enroute stops in order.

8. (1979) You’ve spent the afternoon testifying in front of the House Subcommittee on Transportation and have just received a call from your office informing you that you need to be in Toledo, Ohio for a morning meeting with executives from American Motors Corporation. Your pocket flight guide indicates that the DCA-TOL market just happens to be served by a single nonstop flight departing out of National every evening at 700p. You quickly book a seat and then head down to the Metro for the short ride out to National. Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.
A N S W E R E D

9. (1979) Your meeting in Toledo went well and now, with nothing pressing on your engagement calendar for the upcoming weekend, why not head on out to Las Vegas to decompress by the poolside bar at the Tropicana? As luck would have it, there’s a single daily three-stop direct flight departing Toledo tomorrow morning. Breakfast and a snack will be served along the way. Name the airline, the aircraft and the three enroute stops in order.

10. (1998) You need to fly from Indianapolis to Orlando. Due to some recently discovered circulatory problems in your left leg, your doctor has advised you to either avoid flying or, if you must, fly First Class. Well then, First Class it is. Your hometown airline – American Trans Air – does offer a daily nonstop but alas, no First Class. Same goes for Southwest which also offers a daily nonstop. Well dang! Hey! What’s this?! There are two additional airlines that also offer a single nonstop flight between Indy and Orlando and both of those flights offer First Class. Each airline operates a different aircraft type. Identify both airlines and the equipment each uses for these flights.

11. Based upon the visual clues in this photo, can you identify the aircraft and the airline that operates it?

A N S W E R E D - American Airlines 747 Coach Lounge

13. (1985) While the wife and kids fly from Orlando back home to Portland, you’ve got business in Cleveland. From your days of living in Cleveland, you recall that United is probably the airline to call. Indeed, UA does offer a nonstop from Orlando up to Cleveland but the timing doesn’t work. Thankfully, a different airline now also offers a daily nonstop flight between MCO and CLE, and the timing couldn’t be better. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying up to Cleveland.

14. (1995) Although New York City’s three major airports are well served by flights to and from San Juan, PR, the same cannot be said for its outlying airports in White Plains and Newburgh. There are no nonstop or direct flights out of White Plains to anywhere in the Caribbean. Thankfully, Newburgh has one twice weekly one stop direct flight to and from San Juan. That’ll work. Now you can tell your housekeeper Rosa that as a token of your appreciation for all her hard work, you’ll be sending her home to San Juan for a visit with her family. Identify the airline, aircraft and enroute stop for the relevant flight out of Newburgh.

15. (1979) You’re now in Dallas and need to get to Milwaukee for a breakfast conference tomorrow morning. You imagine there should be a good variety of nonstops but are surprised to find mostly multi-stop flights with only a single nonstop that departs DFW in the early evening. That’ll work! Which airline and aircraft type will you be flying upon?
It's not Midwest Express

17. (1989) You’ve got some old air miles sitting around in your frequent flyer account and you’ve just received notice from the airline that they’re due to expire in three months. From your home in Seattle, you’ve got just enough miles for a domestic roundtrip within the continental U.S., so a ski vacation in Utah on the powdery slopes of Alta might be nice. Unfortunately, your airline doesn’t fly nonstop from Seattle to Salt Lake, but it does offer a single daily one-stop direct flight. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the intermediate stop.
A N S W E R E D

18. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, which two states are served by just a single jet aircraft type? Identify each state and the jet aircraft type (variant specific, please) that serves it uniquely.
Cheyenne, WY served via Western's 737 has been correctly identified. We need one more...

19. (1998) Not counting international flights, what is the longest commercial flight out of Colorado? We’re looking for the route, the airline and the aircraft type.

20. (1989) You need to fly from Newport News, VA to Orlando, FL next Wednesday. Flying anywhere out of PHF generally means a connection, so when your company’s travel office informs you that there’s now a nonstop flight departing Newport News’ Patrick Henry Field that’ll get you into Orlando in the early afternoon, you couldn’t be happier. Book it, please. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this flight.

21. (1979) In jlemon’s recent set of questions, you needed to get from Reno across the country to Smoky Mountains National Park. Now, after having hiked a 98 mile section of the Appalachian Trail, it’s time to return to Reno. Your closest airport is still in Knoxville and there just happens to be a 2-stop direct flight departing Knoxville every afternoon, seven days a week. You’ve booked a First Class seat and are already looking forward to that first cold beer after takeoff. Name the airline you’ll be flying upon as well as the aircraft and the two enroute stops.

22. (1988) Good Lord! The heat and humidity of this summer in Atlanta is as bad as it’s ever been and probably worse! Imagine then your surprise and delight when a couple of old friends from college daze call to ask if you’d care to join them on a six day backpacking trip doing the Rae Lakes Loop in King’s Canyon National Park. Whaaaat?!! OMG, Yes!!! You indicate you’ll buy a ticket out and back as soon as you can figure out which airport is closest to Kings Canyon N.P. Following a brief search, you find that there is a single daily direct one-stop flight from Atlanta to the airport you’ll need to fly into. A snack and dinner will be served along the way. Identify that airport as well as the airline, aircraft and the single enroute stop.

23. (1985) Over the years many airlines have operated single class configured aircraft in the busy New York to Los Angeles market. In mid-1985 just one airline operates nonstop flights with them. Identify that airline and the aircraft type it uses.
It's not an MGM Grand Air D8S or a World DC10

25. (1995) You and your wife are finally taking that long awaited vacation to Puerto Vallarta Mexico. From your home outside Kansas City, MO you’re not surprised to find there are neither direct nor nonstop flights. You’re gonna have to connect somewhere. Hey! Why not San Diego? You can spend a couple of days with the in-laws at their palatial digs up in La Jolla before continuing on to PVR. There’s a single nonstop each day between MCI and SAN and, as luck would have it, a single nonstop each day between SAN and PVR. Identify each of the relevant airlines and aircraft types operating these flights.
It's not Alaska between SAN and PVR

26. (1979) Your favorite hometown guitarist – Steve Kimock – is playing with Martin Fierro and his band The Underdogs at the Garland Theater in Spokane, Washington. You’ve been fortunate enough to have been comped tickets by your buddy, the band’s equipment manager – if you can get there. You call both United and Hughes Airwest but to no avail. Not only are the Underdogs in town but the Pacific Northwest Dry Cleaner’s Symposium is also happening that week. Finally you call a travel agency and are gobsmacked to find a single coach class seat on an airline you never would have considered for a flight from SFO up to GEG. The flight makes one stop but the price is right and you’ll arrive Spokane 2 ˝ hours before show time. Name the airline, aircraft and stopover point for this flight.

28. (1985) Finally! Kansas City has a direct one-stop flight to Hawaii! No more long and occasionally annoying connections on the west coast. On the downside, this flight does have a change of gauge at the enroute stop which is almost as bad as a connection. Still, the price is right and so you book a couple of seats. Identify the airline, the connecting point and the two aircraft types involved.

30. (1988) You fly often between San Francisco and Reno, especially in the winter when heavy snows make travel over I-80 hazardous if not impossible. Three airlines offer nonstop flights out of SFO and the most popular aircraft type, operated by all three airlines, is scheduled for eight of those mostly daily flights. Identify each of the three airlines as well as the aircraft type referenced.
A N S W E R E D

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Old Apr 30, 2020, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
30. (1988) You fly often between San Francisco and Reno, especially in the winter when heavy snows make travel over I-80 hazardous if not impossible. Three airlines offer nonstop flights out of SFO and the most popular aircraft type, operated by all three airlines, is scheduled for eight of those mostly daily flights. Identify each of the three airlines as well as the aircraft type referenced.
It's not a 737 or 72S. AA & UA have been correctly identified
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's the BAe146. American running the ex-AirCal fleet, and US Air masquerading as the saviour of PSA with their old fleet as well. United had them too with a couple of their commuter operators.
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Old Apr 30, 2020, 6:01 pm
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Sad scene

This is London City earlier today, with the 4 British Airways Embraer E190s on the ramp going nowhere, protected by boards from any possible activity on the airfield, not that there has been any.

British (only) participants may recognise a passing similarity between these aircraft sat behind their barrier and Henry the Green Engine bricked up in the tunnel.

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Old Apr 30, 2020, 6:40 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM
30. (1988)You fly often between San Francisco and Reno, especially in the winter when heavy snows make travel over I-80 hazardous if not impossible. Three airlines offer nonstop flights out of SFO and the most popular aircraft type, operated by all three airlines, is scheduled for eight of those mostly daily flights. Identify each of the three airlines as well as the aircraft type referenced.
It's not a 737 or 72S. AA & UA have been correctly identified

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's the BAe146. American running the ex-AirCal fleet, and US Air masquerading as the saviour of PSA with their old fleet as well. United had them too with a couple of their commuter operators.

And what a stout limb it is. Good call, Mr. M! You are 100% spot on! United's 146s were operated by WestAir Commuter Airlines

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Old Apr 30, 2020, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's the BAe146. American running the ex-AirCal fleet, and US Air masquerading as the saviour of PSA with their old fleet as well. United had them too with a couple of their commuter operators.
What a difference a few years make. By 1993 when I moved to the RNO area, no BAe 146s of any flavour that I could recall. UA had gone to Embraers, US had mostly withdrawn from the intra-west and AA had gutted Air Cal allowing Reno Air an opening. I don't recall seeing any BAe 146s on the North American west coast in the '90s onwards.
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Old Apr 30, 2020, 7:24 pm
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25. (1995) You and your wife are finally taking that long awaited vacation to Puerto Vallarta Mexico. From your home outside Kansas City, MO you’re not surprised to find there are neither direct nor nonstop flights. You’re gonna have to connect somewhere. Hey! Why not San Diego? You can spend a couple of days with the in-laws at their palatial digs up in La Jolla before continuing on to PVR. There’s a single nonstop each day between MCI and SAN and, as luck would have it, a single nonstop each day between SAN and PVR. Identify each of the relevant airlines and aircraft types operating these flights.

For SAN-PVR I'm going to guess Alaska with an MD-83
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Old Apr 30, 2020, 9:18 pm
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25. (1995) You and your wife are finally taking that long awaited vacation to Puerto Vallarta Mexico. From your home outside Kansas City, MO you’re not surprised to find there are neither direct nor nonstop flights. You’re gonna have to connect somewhere. Hey! Why not San Diego? You can spend a couple of days with the in-laws at their palatial digs up in La Jolla before continuing on to PVR. There’s a single nonstop each day between MCI and SAN and, as luck would have it, a single nonstop each day between SAN and PVR. Identify each of the relevant airlines and aircraft types operating these flights.

For SAN-PVR I'm going to guess Alaska with an MD-83

In later years, perhaps this would have been true. However, in 1995 we're looking for another airline. Please, guess again!
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17. (1989) You’ve got some old air miles sitting around in your frequent flyer account and you’ve just received notice from the airline that they’re due to expire in three months. From your home in Seattle, you’ve got just enough miles for a domestic roundtrip within the continental U.S., so a ski vacation in Utah on the powdery slopes of Alta might be nice. Unfortunately, your airline doesn’t fly nonstop from Seattle to Salt Lake, but it does offer a single daily one-stop direct flight. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the intermediate stop.
It's not UA via SFO with a 72S, nor QX with a DH8
17- I had a great idea for a one-stop operation, but immediately after I hit “Post” I realized that it was on DL ... which of course would have had nonstop SEA-SLC service

so that said, how about American, routing via the former AirCal San Jose (SJC) hub, but with one of their own MD-80s

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Originally Posted by Seat 2A

5. Based upon the visual clues in this photo, can you identify the aircraft and the airline that operates it?




Looks like a maple leaf on the F.A.'s lapel, so I'll try Trans Canada Airlines and DC-8
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11. Based upon the visual clues in this photo, can you identify the aircraft and the airline that operates it?





Something big and red - Trans World TriStar?
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Old May 1, 2020, 5:06 am
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17. (1989) You’ve got some old air miles sitting around in your frequent flyer account and you’ve just received notice from the airline that they’re due to expire in three months. From your home in Seattle, you’ve got just enough miles for a domestic roundtrip within the continental U.S., so a ski vacation in Utah on the powdery slopes of Alta might be nice. Unfortunately, your airline doesn’t fly nonstop from Seattle to Salt Lake, but it does offer a single daily one-stop direct flight. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the intermediate stop.
It's not UA via SFO with a 72S, nor QX with a DH8

I had a great idea for a one-stop operation, but immediately after I hit “Post” I realized that it was on DL ... which of course would have had nonstop SEA-SLC service. So that said, how about American, routing via the former AirCal San Jose (SJC) hub, but with one of their own MD-80s.

American and the MD80 are correct, however this flight did not route through SJC. That said, I must apologize as my comment about it routing through a hub airport was a few years too early. Now having said that, I hope I haven't given away the true enroute stop, but if I have, well, I'll leave the tap in to you just to be sure. In the hole, J!
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Old May 1, 2020, 5:15 am
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Question 5 (Picture 5)

Looks like a maple leaf on the F.A.'s lapel, so I'll try Trans Canada Airlines and DC-8

Good eyes, KT! TCA's DC-8 is correct! I used to fly a lot of United DC-8s back in the 70s and I well remember the in-seat lighting as well as the curtains rather than shades on the windows. As for the lapel pin, I too thought it looked like a mapleleaf and was able to corroborate both the pin and the uniform through other pictures.
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Old May 1, 2020, 5:19 am
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Question 11 - Picture #2

Something big and red - Trans World TriStar?

C'mon now, KT - I'm surprised! Those window moldings are a dead giveaway as to the aircraft type (It's not an L-1011). As to the lounge, there is an aspect to the furnishings that gives it away though you can be forgiven (but not completely) for living on the wrong side of the Atlantic to be more familiar with that aspect of this airplane. In any event, it's not TWA.

That said, care to have another guess?
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You're up early today 2A!

I thought the in seat lighting might be a TCA feature but interesting you mention it was on United too.
Perhaps later models had conventional lighting or earlier models were upgraded.
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#11 ) American Airlines DC-10?
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