Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Apr 24, 2020, 5:35 pm
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Apr 24, 2020, 5:59 pm
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As suspected here in the UK, part of shunting Virgin Atlantic's cash around. The UK government is not going to bail them out just to see USD 200m of it wafted off to Delta due to some "earlier agreement". Meanwhile they also have to pay a very hefty fee each year just to "use the Virgin brand" to Virgin Group, who in turn have to pay a fee to Virgin Group Holdings Ltd, based in the British Virgin islands, who just happen to "own the brand", all of which manages to make the accounts for Virgin Atlantic Airlines, based in the UK, appear to have "just broken even". Again.
It's my understanding he still has a few pounds sterling here and there.....
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38A: PARTIALLY ANSWERED You’ve arranged to rendezvous with a colleague for an early afternoon scenic flight to Grand Canyon before a dinner meeting in Boulder City. There’s a 1040am nonstop from SJC that lands at LAS at 1155am, but what’s the fun in that? Hmmmmm ... here’s a 733am departure that starts an intriguing three-segment itinerary featuring aircraft with two, three, and four engines. Can you change airlines at a major airport in 36 minutes? Sure; then you’ll spend about that much time in the air on the second segment, and you’ll still arrive into LAS at noon.
Please identify the airline and equipment on the nonstop, as well as the two connecting cities, three airlines, and three equipment types on your less direct route.
SJC-LAS -- we're still seeking both the airline and equipment
SJC-SFO is a 727-200; the airline is not PSA
SFO-RNO is a United DC-8-61
RNO-LAS is not Air Cal or Republic; the twin-engine aircraft is not any model of DC-9
SJC-LAS Sunworld DC9-10
SJC-SFO TWA on a 727-200
RNO-LAS Pacific Express with a BAC-111
Apr 25, 2020, 10:04 am
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Apr 25, 2020, 10:53 am
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BTW, after I mentioned Forbes magazine and a business article concerning Virgin Atlantic, I remembered that at one point Forbes operated a Boeing 727-100 in corporate configuration. I also believe this aircraft was delivered new to Braniff International before it changed hands. Here's a photo of this 727 in the Forbes corporate livery:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Forb...pvOIBI5Y/RsBJn
And now to the yard work on a beautiful spring day......
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Forb...pvOIBI5Y/RsBJn
And now to the yard work on a beautiful spring day......
Apr 25, 2020, 2:26 pm
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Apr 25, 2020, 4:49 pm
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It had a significant reputation as an absolute lemon of an aircraft, and even at Virgin, who ploughed a lot into a new cabin and a major overhaul, it was the aircraft in the fleet with the highest unscheduled maintenance spend and the worst reliability record. They knew well the Highland Express saga, and some said the aircraft, regardless of low price or the big overhaul, should never have been considered for the fleet.
Meanwhile that Athens flight was one of a number of Virgin attempts at European operations, none of which have worked out. It must have also been Autumn 1996 that I was in Heathrow Terminal 3 late evening and noticed it rolling in. By then they were doing two round trips a day to Athens. Shortly afterwards Easyjet, charismatically led by its Greek founder Stelios, started up London to Athens, garnered a lot of publicity, and the Virgin operation was let go.
Apr 26, 2020, 10:01 am
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1983 “fill-in-the-gap” questions
34A: Friends have talked you into joining them for a long weekend of hiking near Pyramid Lake. Given the spur-of-the-moment nature of the trip, you’re not surprised to find the only direct flight to Reno from Atlanta is sold out. You’ll limit yourself to one airline and one connection, but you decide to cover as much distance as possible on a single jet. This means you’ll have one multi-stop flight, and a connecting point that’s not on a normal ATL-RNO routing.
Please identify the airline, all stops in order including the connecting point, and the two types of aircraft involved.
34A: Friends have talked you into joining them for a long weekend of hiking near Pyramid Lake. Given the spur-of-the-moment nature of the trip, you’re not surprised to find the only direct flight to Reno from Atlanta is sold out. You’ll limit yourself to one airline and one connection, but you decide to cover as much distance as possible on a single jet. This means you’ll have one multi-stop flight, and a connecting point that’s not on a normal ATL-RNO routing.
Please identify the airline, all stops in order including the connecting point, and the two types of aircraft involved.
How about ATL-MSP RC MD-80 connecting to MSP-SLC-RNO RC DC-9?
Apr 26, 2020, 11:08 am
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OskiBear was replying to the SJC-SFO-RNO-LAS question (38), for which teddybear99 has since provided the correct answers
I presume you are working on the ATL-RNO itinerary (34) ... Eastern is correct, which means MD80 is obviously incorrect; DC-9 is incorrect, and 757 is also incorrect
I presume you are working on the ATL-RNO itinerary (34) ... Eastern is correct, which means MD80 is obviously incorrect; DC-9 is incorrect, and 757 is also incorrect
Apr 26, 2020, 11:51 am
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OskiBear was replying to the SJC-SFO-RNO-LAS question (38), for which teddybear99 has since provided the correct answers
I presume you are working on the ATL-RNO itinerary (34) ... Eastern is correct, which means MD80 is obviously incorrect; DC-9 is incorrect, and 757 is also incorrect
I presume you are working on the ATL-RNO itinerary (34) ... Eastern is correct, which means MD80 is obviously incorrect; DC-9 is incorrect, and 757 is also incorrect
EA ATL-DCA AB3
EA DCA-MCI-LAS-RNO 727
Apr 26, 2020, 12:13 pm
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first leg:
DCA is incorrect
AB3 is correct (I don’t recall Eastern ever running that jet into National on a regular basis)
second leg:
MCI is incorrect
LAS is correct
727 is incorrect
Apr 26, 2020, 12:26 pm
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How about the EA AB3 operating ATL-IAH connecting to D9S IAH-LAS-RNO?
Apr 26, 2020, 12:35 pm
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getting closer ...
IAH is correct as the stop before LAS, but it was not the connecting point
D9S is incorrect (I don’t recall Eastern running any Nines west of Texas, so this also eliminates the Series 50 from consideration)
IAH is correct as the stop before LAS, but it was not the connecting point
D9S is incorrect (I don’t recall Eastern running any Nines west of Texas, so this also eliminates the Series 50 from consideration)