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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Feb 26, 2016, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by socoj2
Yep just tried that, cheapest i found was $1700.

Provide this information to a travel agent to help them match the fares found.
Make sure to provide the exact booking and fare codes shown.
Fare for 1 adult
Fare 1: Carrier DL LLX0ZNMD ATL to SIN (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code L
Covers ATL-NRT (Economy), NRT-SIN (Economy)

$605.00
Fare 2: Carrier DL LLW0ZNMD SIN to ATL (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code L
Covers SIN-NRT (Economy), NRT-ATL (Economy)

$655.00
Japan Passenger Service Facilities Charge International (SW)

$18.80
Passenger Security Service Charge (OI)

$9.40
DL YR surcharge (YR)

$407.40
US International Departure Tax (US)

$17.80
US September 11th Security Fee (AY)

$5.60
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF)

$4.50
USDA APHIS Fee (XA)

$3.96
US Immigration Fee (XY)

$7.00
US Customs Fee (YC)

$5.50
US International Arrival Tax (US)

$17.80
Singapore Passenger Service And Security Charge (SG)

$14.10
Singapore Aviation Levy (OP)

$4.30
Singapore Passenger Security Service Charge (OO)

$5.70
Basefare per passenger (70.71%)

$1,260.00
Taxes per passenger (6.42%)

$114.46
Surcharges per passenger (22.86%)

$407.40
Basefare + Taxes per passenger (77.14%)

$1,374.46
Subtotal per passenger

$1,781.86
Number of passengers

x1
Subtotal For 1 adult

$1,781.86
You are flying in and out of ATL.
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Old Feb 27, 2016, 10:50 pm
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Smile Fares Feb 27 SFO and LAX dep

Only a few fares tonight, am posting the lowest for SFO and LAX dep
Prices from Google.com/flights SF
Dates not given higher fares, noted that one of readers trying to get fares originating in ATL, you won't get fares as low and you will need to start in LAX or SFO to get these fares at prices given so you will have to take a positioning flight to SFO or LAX which will increase your cpm cost. The easiest way that I have found to get these fares is go call the DM desk and for those of you who have no medallion status call delta and tell them exactly what flight you want and pay the $25 fee or go thru your travel agent but get the flight numbers from Google.com and the fare you end up with will be quite close to what Google.com gives.
SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 24,926 MQM
$825 AI 3.31 cpm Apr 4-7 11-18 May 2-5 BEST FARE

LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,634 MQM
$813 ai 3.30 cpm May2-5 BEST FARE
$818 ai 3.32 cpm Apr 11-14
$942 ai 3.82 cpm Apr 4-7

Happy Travels! Have a Great Week, get your tickets before prices go up, if you have questions, let me know. Comments welcome, please post lower fares. Thanks to all readers for helping answer questions. Blessings!
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Old Feb 27, 2016, 11:54 pm
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Positioning flights

Originally Posted by socoj2
I suck at booking using google i tried all of these and they all reported back as $3000+ dollars.

Anyway to email me the itinerary im ready to book. Between my card spend and one trip and my regular flights ill be Diamond by may with this.
Read post 1277 - take positioning flight to SFO or LAX plus listed fares of $825 should still be less than $1700 and since you are PM calling PM desk you can give them the flight numbers dates and times if you go on the dates I have listed and you should get the fare or very close to it without any problem, if you try that and it doesn't work send me a PM with dates and phone number and I will see what can be done. Let me know what works out, am traveling Sun DCA DTW SEA SMF, should be back by 3 pm PST.

Happy Travels! Blessings!
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by socoj2
Yep just tried that, cheapest i found was $1700.

Provide this information to a travel agent to help them match the fares found.
Make sure to provide the exact booking and fare codes shown.
Fare for 1 adult
Fare 1: Carrier DL LLX0ZNMD ATL to SIN (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code L
Covers ATL-NRT (Economy), NRT-SIN (Economy)

$605.00
Fare 2: Carrier DL LLW0ZNMD SIN to ATL (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code L
Covers SIN-NRT (Economy), NRT-ATL (Economy)

....

$1,781.86
The fare only works SFO/LAX per the title.
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Old Feb 29, 2016, 8:26 pm
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Trip Report 16-19 Feb (part 2)

Originally Posted by rizrizriz

Will contact DM line tomorrow to request the “lost” MQM’s, will see how that goes.
Took two calls, but got the originally expected MQM for the trip due to the fact that Delta caused the delays in JFK which required the change in plans. Besides the fact that I "saved" Delta money by not having to fly on ANA in a Y fare, and stuck with Delta. DM line though is always helpful and cheerful.

25,327 MQM for $861.80, (3.4 CPM) used 2 GUC, upgraded on all X legs
PLANNED LAX-MSP-JFK-SIN-NRT-JFK-MSP-SFO 25,327MQM (only LAX-MSP leg was not upgraded 24 hours prior to start of the trip)

Actually FLOWN: LAX-MSP-JFK-NRT (o/n @ Narita Nikko Hotel)-SIN-NRT-SEA-SFO (~21,000 MQM)

Overall was a fun time
Gonna try again April. :~)

Last edited by rizrizriz; Feb 29, 2016 at 8:28 pm Reason: correction
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Smile Thanks for your report!

Originally Posted by rizrizriz
Took two calls, but got the originally expected MQM for the trip due to the fact that Delta caused the delays in JFK which required the change in plans. Besides the fact that I "saved" Delta money by not having to fly on ANA in a Y fare, and stuck with Delta. DM line though is always helpful and cheerful.

25,327 MQM for $861.80, (3.4 CPM) used 2 GUC, upgraded on all X legs
PLANNED LAX-MSP-JFK-SIN-NRT-JFK-MSP-SFO 25,327MQM (only LAX-MSP leg was not upgraded 24 hours prior to start of the trip)

Actually FLOWN: LAX-MSP-JFK-NRT (o/n @ Narita Nikko Hotel)-SIN-NRT-SEA-SFO (~21,000 MQM)

Overall was a fun time
Gonna try again April. :~)
Was sure you would get the miles and the DM desk is usually very helpful. May have to consider a run in April as well or the first week in May. Have a great week! Check until you see the MQM posted.

Happy Travels! Blessings!
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Old Mar 4, 2016, 9:56 am
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Cheap flight from east coast to Tokyo!

From the EAST COAST!
Mon-Tue-Wed of April, roundtrips between Chicago and Narita

$426 nonstop ANA/United https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...4;r=2016-04-05
$435 via IAH ANA/United https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...RD0UA1459;eo=e (2.9cpm)

Delta is matching
$435 ORD-JFK-NRT-SEA-ORD (login before clicking!) http://bit.ly/1So9bqi 13974 MQM (3.1cpm)
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Originally Posted by tomasdev
From the EAST COAST!
Mon-Tue-Wed of April, roundtrips between Chicago and Narita

$426 nonstop ANA/United https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...4;r=2016-04-05
$435 via IAH ANA/United https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...RD0UA1459;eo=e (2.9cpm)

Delta is matching
$435 ORD-JFK-NRT-SEA-ORD (login before clicking!) http://bit.ly/1So9bqi 13974 MQM (3.1cpm)
AA is also matching for $435
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Old Mar 11, 2016, 12:24 pm
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ORD NRT

Has anyone tried these flights? What was your experience? Thx John Delta for info. Any reports on MU to SIN thru PVG? Did they go into town on the long layovers? From SIN and AMS it is easy to get to town but I have no idea about PVG.
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Old Mar 11, 2016, 2:36 pm
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Smile Fares Mar 11 SFO and LAX dep

Fares from Google.com/flights, dates not given higher prices

SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$825 ai 3.26 cpm Apr 18-21 BEST PRICE
$996 ai 3.93 cpm May 16-19
$1022 ai 4.04 cpm Apr 4-7, 11-14, May 9-12

SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 24,926 MQM
$825 ai 3.31 cpm Apr 11-14, 18-21 GREAT PRICE
$830 ai 3.33 cpm Apr 4-7
$910 ai 3.65 cpm May 2-5
$965 ai 3.99 cpm May 16-19

LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,634 MQM
$928 ai 3.77 cpm Apr 11-14
$1126 ai 4.57 cpm Apr 4-7
$1146 ai 4.65 cpm Apr 18-21

Apr 18-21 is a new date for SFO dep 3.31 cpm
If you need a MR better do it soon as prices will go up in a short time and won't come down till the fall!

Happy Travels! Blessings! Have a great weekend!

Last edited by Csfing1; Mar 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm Reason: Correct information cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Has anyone tried these flights? What was your experience? Thx John Delta for info. Any reports on MU to SIN thru PVG? Did they go into town on the long layovers? From SIN and AMS it is easy to get to town but I have no idea about PVG.
I put together a Mileage Run for a client who is going through PVG (and KMG) on to Singapore. Once he finishes the trip I will have more information to share. A lot of people have expressed interest in the MU flights due to earning both the MQM's and a healthy redeemable miles to boot.

I also have a client doing USA-PVG-MNL later this month...he is a little hesitant about MU since he has always flown on DL metal, but the price and the miles were fantastic, so he's willing to give it a try.
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18 April departure is nice option. Not seen many "weekend" trips for this itinerary at this price when looking previously would have like to had that one, but oh well, Have a 11-14 Apr trip setup. Applied GUC (on JFK-NRT & reverse), hopeful that they clear (fingers crossed they will like last time, which cleared all legs)
Off this weekend on a MR (SFO-JFK-MXP-JFK-SFO, same day turn) No GUC on this one. But did use RUC for SFO-JFK-SFO legs.
Have a great weekend. Too bad its 1 hour shorter :~(
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Apr 18-21 is a new date for SFO dep 3.31 cpm
If you need a MR better do it soon as prices will go up in a short time and won't come down till the fall!

Happy Travels! Blessings! Have a great weekend!
That is exactly when I am planning to try this trip with the wife; the fall, using GUC's so she can really enjoy the HUGE long-haul of the experience, although I think we will try to figure out a way to get 6-7 days in SIN there.

Thank you for all the work on this thread, Csfing1 !!
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 2:38 am
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Is it just me or does ITA seem to be much twitchier lately about returning all/best results if you ask for too many options of departure airport/connection points, etc.? I wonder if they lowered the search timeout.

So these may or may not show up reliably, plus there were some Monday departures that show as much higher on the flexible calendar but drop into the $750-$760 range if you click on an individual day. Some involve an extra connection). If you have specific dates you're interested in I'd poke around just to see what happens.

Got a couple of these to checkout page at DL via the ITA userscript but did not actually try to purchase, YMMV.

Samples:

SFO-DTW/JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW/JFK-SFO 24,463 MQMs
Apr 11-14 $758 ai 3.10cpm
Apr 18-21 $758 ai 3.10cpm

SFO-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SFO 23,608 MQMs
Apr 18-21 $753 ai 3.19cpm
May 23-26 $753 ai 3.19cpm

EDIT: BTW the 2-for-1 Gogo global pass is now good thru March 31: http://www.gogoair.com/delta-global-day-pass
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Thanks for the Gogo tip Zorak.
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