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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#1231
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego
Programs: IHG Spire Amb, HH Diamond, DL Diamond and 1MM
Posts: 3,611
If you want a slightly longer journey in time and want to spend a few hours in China in Shanghai and KMG you might try going to SIN on China Eastern Airlines MU from LAX through PVG Shanghai and KWL Kunming.... The cpm cost is low <3.0 cpm on the itinerary he chose but you will have some long layovers in Shanghai and KWL 8-20 hours and it will take your more than 72 hours for the journey but it will give you an opportunity to see China for a few hours.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...a-eastern.html
#1232
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares Feb 9 SFO and LAX Dep
Prices from Google.com/flights Dates not given higher fares
SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$824 ai 3.25 cpm Apr 11-14 Best Fare
$939 ai 3.71 cpm Apr 4-7
$1045 ai 4.13 cpm Apr 18-21
SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 24,926 MQM
$824 ai 3.31 cpm Apr 11-14
$1183 ai 4.75 cpm Feb 29-Mar 3, Apr 18-21
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,092 MQM
$823 ai 3.28 cpm Apr 18-21
$987 ai 3.93 cpm Apr 4-7
$1041 ai 4.15 cpm Apr 11-14
LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,634 MQM
$823.ai 3.34 cpm Apr 18-21
$1046 ai 4.25 cpm Apr 11-14
If you get lower prices please post. Comments encouraged and welcomed!
Happy Travels! Gong Xi Fa Cai! Blessings!
SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$824 ai 3.25 cpm Apr 11-14 Best Fare
$939 ai 3.71 cpm Apr 4-7
$1045 ai 4.13 cpm Apr 18-21
SFO ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 24,926 MQM
$824 ai 3.31 cpm Apr 11-14
$1183 ai 4.75 cpm Feb 29-Mar 3, Apr 18-21
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,092 MQM
$823 ai 3.28 cpm Apr 18-21
$987 ai 3.93 cpm Apr 4-7
$1041 ai 4.15 cpm Apr 11-14
LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 24,634 MQM
$823.ai 3.34 cpm Apr 18-21
$1046 ai 4.25 cpm Apr 11-14
If you get lower prices please post. Comments encouraged and welcomed!
Happy Travels! Gong Xi Fa Cai! Blessings!
#1233
Join Date: Nov 2014
Programs: DL DM, UA, AA EXP, AS MVP75K GOLD, HHonors Diamond, BW Diamond, SPG Gold, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 382
Check out the new Delta Skymiles mileage earning chart for MU. Delta upgraded them to a tier one partner. Can now earn a percentage of *actual* flown miles for RDM's.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...a-eastern.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...a-eastern.html
MU: LAX to SIN $637 at 2.75 CPM (To Capitalize on Delta's SkyMiles & MQM Bonuses) on FlyerTalk plus I do have many others on my own Mileage Run blog
#1234
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Programs: Delta DM / 1M, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC, Emerald Club Exec
Posts: 500
Is it just me or is anyone else having a difficult time getting results on kayak? On Monday I found fares and was preparing to book a March trip. I had to step away and when I returned I could no longer get search results for this route that included Delta flights. My saved search on kayak now shows as "sold out", though I can pull results on Google flights. Searching on any other dates yields the same results, no Delta flights.
Unfortunately, I can't book through Google flights. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Edit: I was finally able to get some Delta results, though very limited..
Unfortunately, I can't book through Google flights. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Edit: I was finally able to get some Delta results, though very limited..
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#1235
Moderator: Hyatt; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: WAS
Programs: :rolleyes:, DL DM, Mlife Plat, Caesars Diam, Marriott Tit, UA Gold, Hyatt Glob, invol FT beta tester
Posts: 18,947
$812 ex-SFO Mar 27-30 via DTW, $818 with return through JFK.
#1236
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Programs: Delta DM / 1M, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC, Emerald Club Exec
Posts: 500
And I book the route out of LAX or SFO and just take a positioning flight to either location from MSP. It makes for a longer journey, but it's much cheaper than flying out of MSP.
Thanks again for the response!
#1237
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Programs: Delta DM / 1M, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC, Emerald Club Exec
Posts: 500
Just came back to say that I found the script info, downloaded it and it works great. I'm not sure why I was having issues with Kayak but I'm able to locate more flights and click through to Delta this way.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
#1238
Moderator: Hyatt; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: WAS
Programs: :rolleyes:, DL DM, Mlife Plat, Caesars Diam, Marriott Tit, UA Gold, Hyatt Glob, invol FT beta tester
Posts: 18,947
^ Cool, glad it worked and thanks for reporting back!
#1240
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: NYC
Programs: DL ✈️
Posts: 638
i did not have luck with the stopover in tokyo. But the flight SIN-TYO is $300ish - so i'm going to stay 1 week in SIN, then 2 weeks in TYO, then back to SIN to come back home.
#1241
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: PNW
Programs: BAEC Silver, DL GM, AA Plat, NEXUS
Posts: 467
Hi everyone,
I'm doing YVR-LAX-NRT-SIN-NRT-SEA-YVR, anyone with good ideas on what to do in 1 full day in SIN?
Arriving Feb 18th 12:05AM and departing on the 19th 06AM.
Also I booked this trip in economy, now I got upgraded on the YVR-LAX leg to First and slowly getting upgraded to C+ on long haul legs (due to the 72hrs limit as GM), my question is what are the odds of getting bumped into business on the long haul legs?
Thanks a lot!!
I'm doing YVR-LAX-NRT-SIN-NRT-SEA-YVR, anyone with good ideas on what to do in 1 full day in SIN?
Arriving Feb 18th 12:05AM and departing on the 19th 06AM.
Also I booked this trip in economy, now I got upgraded on the YVR-LAX leg to First and slowly getting upgraded to C+ on long haul legs (due to the 72hrs limit as GM), my question is what are the odds of getting bumped into business on the long haul legs?
Thanks a lot!!
#1242
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego
Programs: IHG Spire Amb, HH Diamond, DL Diamond and 1MM
Posts: 3,611
When they do occur, Delta selects the upgraders by status, which means Gold after Diamonds and Plats. In about 30 Delta-One coach flights as a Diamond, I got an op-up exactly == ONCE!
#1243
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: PNW
Programs: BAEC Silver, DL GM, AA Plat, NEXUS
Posts: 467
Zero. Delta "ops-up" coach passengers into biz-class when coach is oversold to avoid bumping someone off the flight. The are no other free upgrades to international business class, and these upgrade are rare.
When they do occur, Delta selects the upgraders by status, which means Gold after Diamonds and Plats. In about 30 Delta-One coach flights as a Diamond, I got an op-up exactly == ONCE!
When they do occur, Delta selects the upgraders by status, which means Gold after Diamonds and Plats. In about 30 Delta-One coach flights as a Diamond, I got an op-up exactly == ONCE!
#1244
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 337
LAX-MSP-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-MSP-SFO(16-19Feb)
Sitting in LAX SC Lounge. Applied GUC on the JFK-NRT leg back in Dec last year. Got cleared in early Jan. Applied the GUC to the rest of the legs and in late Jan, and Feb, have cleared all but Leg 1 (LAX-MSP) and the NRT-SIN-NRT legs (so 5 cleared before checkin) Should clear LAX-MSP at Gate (am 1 of 9 with 6 seats available) This is on 757-200, as DeltaOne, so will be nice to have lay flat for the midnight flight out of LAX tonight.
Currently there seems to be 6 seats (maybe) for NRT-SIN, and 12 for SIN-NRT, so fingers crossed on those last 2. Guess time will tell. Did similar flight last year in Comfort+ and was not really that bad. Then again don't really mind long flights if in comfort+. But clearly DeltaOne / Biz is better. This worked out 3.3CPM when got it.
Currently there seems to be 6 seats (maybe) for NRT-SIN, and 12 for SIN-NRT, so fingers crossed on those last 2. Guess time will tell. Did similar flight last year in Comfort+ and was not really that bad. Then again don't really mind long flights if in comfort+. But clearly DeltaOne / Biz is better. This worked out 3.3CPM when got it.
Last edited by rizrizriz; Feb 15, 2016 at 5:39 pm Reason: add MQM cost
#1245
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Happy Travels! Get your QV Flu shot if you haven't done so. Blessings!