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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#481
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices July 30
Best prices today from LAX; SFO and SMF high
LAX Dep
$1219.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.86 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27 Best price today!
SFO Dep
$1432.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.66 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1411.70 ai 5.58 cpm Nov 24-27
SMF Dep too high
$1625.11 ai 24,542 MQM 6.62 cpm
1879.70 ai 7.66 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
Happy Travels! If you get better prices, please post, thanks! Cheers!
LAX Dep
$1219.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.86 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27 Best price today!
SFO Dep
$1432.40 ai 25,318 MQM 5.66 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1411.70 ai 5.58 cpm Nov 24-27
SMF Dep too high
$1625.11 ai 24,542 MQM 6.62 cpm
1879.70 ai 7.66 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
Happy Travels! If you get better prices, please post, thanks! Cheers!
#482
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares Aug 3 LAX and SFO Dep; Aug 2 was much better for LAX!
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1488.43 ai 5.93 cpm Oct 20-23, 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
On Aug 2 before midnight PDT, these fares were $305.13 less at 1183.30 ai 4.71 cpm
Timing makes a big difference and fares change dramatically as shown here!
SFO Dep
$1433.20 ai 5.66 cpm Nov 2-5
$1450.00 ai 5.73 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13
$1457.20 ai 5.76 cpm Nov 17-20
Happy Travels! Hope the fares come back down, if you get better fares, please post. Have a great week! Cheers!
$1488.43 ai 5.93 cpm Oct 20-23, 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
On Aug 2 before midnight PDT, these fares were $305.13 less at 1183.30 ai 4.71 cpm
Timing makes a big difference and fares change dramatically as shown here!
SFO Dep
$1433.20 ai 5.66 cpm Nov 2-5
$1450.00 ai 5.73 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13
$1457.20 ai 5.76 cpm Nov 17-20
Happy Travels! Hope the fares come back down, if you get better fares, please post. Have a great week! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Aug 3, 2014 at 2:31 am Reason: Add SFO fares
#483
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
Programs: Delta DM / 1M, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC, Emerald Club Exec
Posts: 500
I've been watching this route and saw the fares creeping upward. I really hope they drop back down as I'd like to book another.
#484
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Happy Travels! Cheers! Have a Great Week!
#485
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares Aug 6
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
SFO Dep 25,318 MQM
$1354.10 ai 5.35 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
SMF Dep 24,542 MQM
$1575 ai 6.42 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 23-26
$1431 ai 5.83 cpm Nov 24-27
Happy Travels! Cheers!
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
SFO Dep 25,318 MQM
$1354.10 ai 5.35 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
SMF Dep 24,542 MQM
$1575 ai 6.42 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 23-26
$1431 ai 5.83 cpm Nov 24-27
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Aug 7, 2014 at 12:46 am Reason: Add fares from SFO and SMF
#486
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices Aug 10
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
SFO Dep 25,318 MQM
$1354.10 ai 5.35 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
Prices essentially the same except for dep from SMF which are too high $1800 or more for routing thru ATL.
Happy Travels! Have a Great Week! If you find lower prices, please post! Cheers!
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
SFO Dep 25,318 MQM
$1354.10 ai 5.35 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
Prices essentially the same except for dep from SMF which are too high $1800 or more for routing thru ATL.
Happy Travels! Have a Great Week! If you find lower prices, please post! Cheers!
#487
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: CHS
Programs: UA Mileage Plus, Delta Skymiles PM, AA ExPlat, Hilton Honors Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 362
Are these fares still available? I had been about to build something similar out of CHS yesterday (not quite as many miles, but very similar fares), but as of this morning they are all in the $1600+ area.
#488
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
I didn't check the other dates but would assume they are available as well.
If any problems let me know. Fares from delta.com, multi city booking
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
Happy Travels! Have a Super Week! If anyone gets better fares, please post! Cheers!
#490
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#491
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares Aug 11
Prices the same as Aug 10
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$1354.10 ai 5.35 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
Prices essentially the same except for dep from SMF which are too high $1800 or more for routing thru ATL.
Happy Travels! Have a Great Week! If you find lower prices, please post! Cheers!
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1327.10 ai 5.29 cpm Oct 20-23, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27
SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$1354.10 ai 5.35 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
Prices essentially the same except for dep from SMF which are too high $1800 or more for routing thru ATL.
Happy Travels! Have a Great Week! If you find lower prices, please post! Cheers!
#493
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 25
I do have two questions. We land at midnight and depart at 7 am on the same day. 1) Is it easy to clear passport control/customs to obtain a ticket back since I doubt Delta will issue return tickets in NRT if I haven't taken the flight from NRT-SIN. 2) Do I even have to clear this if I am going to the Delta affiliated lounge? This is my first time doing this type of trip. Thanks for any help.
#494
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Singapore transit
I do have two questions. We land at midnight and depart at 7 am on the same day. 1) Is it easy to clear passport control/customs to obtain a ticket back since I doubt Delta will issue return tickets in NRT if I haven't taken the flight from NRT-SIN. 2) Do I even have to clear this if I am going to the Delta affiliated lounge? This is my first time doing this type of trip. Thanks for any help.
Happy Travels! Enjoy your trip! Cheers!