Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
Last edit by: Quail
Wiki for using AS (Alaska) Miles on JL (Japan Airlines)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)
Oct 21, 2022, 9:25 pm
#887
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oregon
Programs: AA EXP, AS 75K, UA 1MM Gold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Plat, National EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 4,001
Wow - the 14-day window for F on JAL really really works! I was expecting one or two seats to open up - not three. Hmm... I'm in a pickle now. On the same day as my outbound ANA YVR-NRT J seats, I found 3x LAX-HND JAL F seats. Snagged them for 210k AS miles. I've never experienced 3-class international first, nor have either of my flying companions (and at their age - if not now, probably never!) I'd hate to have stranded 104k of my Chase points over on Virgin Atlantic with no idea what they'll ever be used for - but I'd really like to try the JAL F product. Good decision to have to make.
Last edited by elCheapoDeluxe; Oct 21, 2022 at 10:09 pm
Oct 21, 2022, 10:05 pm
#888
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
In First Class most seats are available for assignment without status. On the 777-300ER the only seats blocked in F for OWE are 1A and 1K and even those become available for airport assignment if not already taken by OWE.
Oct 22, 2022, 1:49 am
#890
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: YVR
Posts: 344
Calendar searches are horrendous and will often only show non-stop results - click in to day that wasn’t showing as available and one-stop options will show up.
Routing and same airline partner changes to an existing booking have become close to useless as well depending on the partner. Most of this difficulty managing and booking JL only cropped up recently, as I didn’t have any difficulties booking and modifying a SIN-HND-JFK trip earlier this year.
Oct 22, 2022, 2:06 am
#891
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
Another frustrating thing - JAL not releasing J seats for award - recently got a F award sfo-nrt (happy to get this) F was 5/6 occupied. Business was about 80-90% empty - but IIRC even a few days prior to flight no J awards were available.
I am very happy to have flown F but I really don't understand their flight management strategy.
I am very happy to have flown F but I really don't understand their flight management strategy.
Oct 22, 2022, 12:40 pm
#892
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
I looked at schedules and paid availability for a couple of weeks in November on Expert Flyer.
SIN-NRT: JL has one flight a day on a 767. SQ has two flights a day, 1 on 777 and 1 on a 787, so JL has much more limited capacity on this route than SQ.
SIN-HND: JL has 1 daily flight on a 789 plus 1 flight that operates only 2 days a week on a 767. SQ has 2 flights daily flights both on a 359. Again, JAL has significantly lower capacity than SQ on this route.
SIN-NRT on JL especially seems be J0 on many days I checked in the two week November time frame so they are either selling these seats or the awards are gone. Given the loads they are seeing on this route I would not expect to see a lot of awards until they increase their capacity. SQ is playing to win and it is working.
I did not look at Economy availability much but there are Y seats selling on most days when there was J0 so Y awards are more likely to show up than J if you really need a JL award.
Oct 22, 2022, 7:51 pm
#893
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 5,867
Another frustrating thing - JAL not releasing J seats for award - recently got a F award sfo-nrt (happy to get this) F was 5/6 occupied. Business was about 80-90% empty - but IIRC even a few days prior to flight no J awards were available.
I am very happy to have flown F but I really don't understand their flight management strategy.
I am very happy to have flown F but I really don't understand their flight management strategy.
Oct 23, 2022, 2:26 am
#894
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: SFO
Programs: AS 75k, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 544
Wow - the 14-day window for F on JAL really really works! I was expecting one or two seats to open up - not three. Hmm... I'm in a pickle now. On the same day as my outbound ANA YVR-NRT J seats, I found 3x LAX-HND JAL F seats. Snagged them for 210k AS miles. I've never experienced 3-class international first, nor have either of my flying companions (and at their age - if not now, probably never!) I'd hate to have stranded 104k of my Chase points over on Virgin Atlantic with no idea what they'll ever be used for - but I'd really like to try the JAL F product. Good decision to have to make.
Oct 23, 2022, 7:08 am
#895
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Andover, MA, 01810
Posts: 1,972
So is there a schedule when they release J seats like the 14-day schedule for F ?
Oct 23, 2022, 7:49 pm
#896
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
I, OTOH, don't run the airline so perhaps I don't need to understand their strategy - but can say that it appears very odd
Oct 26, 2022, 9:44 am
#897
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 68
F Seats for Couples
Unrelated to the act of actually booking the journey itself, but figured I'd ask here anyway. For F, what's the best configuration for a couple (on JL 3, for example, which is a 1-2-1 setup)?
I'm a bit torn on whether we should grab the middle (1DG or 2DG) or try for two windows, or one window and one middle.
I'm a bit torn on whether we should grab the middle (1DG or 2DG) or try for two windows, or one window and one middle.
Oct 26, 2022, 3:21 pm
#898
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Unrelated to the act of actually booking the journey itself, but figured I'd ask here anyway. For F, what's the best configuration for a couple (on JL 3, for example, which is a 1-2-1 setup)?
I'm a bit torn on whether we should grab the middle (1DG or 2DG) or try for two windows, or one window and one middle.
I'm a bit torn on whether we should grab the middle (1DG or 2DG) or try for two windows, or one window and one middle.
Oct 26, 2022, 3:46 pm
#899
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,085
The JL3, 777-300ER, will have 1A and 1K blocked for OWE until airport checkin so unless you are OWE your 2 windows would be limited to 2A and 2K (different sides of the cabin). Whether you prefer sitting together in the middle or separately to get a window view is up to you. On the 777-300ER the foot rest doubles as a mini-seat (it may even have it's own seatbelt? Can't recall) so you can both sit across the table from one another at meal-time if you are not sitting together and it's not turbulent.
Oct 26, 2022, 8:31 pm
#900
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 68
The JL3, 777-300ER, will have 1A and 1K blocked for OWE until airport checkin so unless you are OWE your 2 windows would be limited to 2A and 2K (different sides of the cabin). Whether you prefer sitting together in the middle or separately to get a window view is up to you. On the 777-300ER the foot rest doubles as a mini-seat (it may even have it's own seatbelt? Can't recall) so you can both sit across the table from one another at meal-time if you are not sitting together and it's not turbulent.
I guess a different way of asking this question is -- if we're in the middle, will we be able to see each other more conveniently than if we were separated by an aisle or front/back (if we can score 1A or 1K)? Is the window *really* worth it?