Originally Posted by jglenn16

The JL married segment block you mentioned. Does JL typically remove the block 6-8 weeks from today date? or 6-8 weeks out from the EOS? Asking since I've been trying to book TYO-BKK in J, but it looks to only be available when married with another airport in Japan, outside of TYO. Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by skimthetrees

On the route mentioned the block did not exist 6-8 weeks in from End of Schedule. I do not know if it means there was a block and they released it or whether there never was a block. Each route may have different patterns so what applies to one may not apply to another. It is up to JAL how they choose to implement it.

So you are not attempting to add a TYO-BKK segment to an existing US-TYO award? All you want is a separate TYO-BKK award not paired to an existing AS award? In that case I believe it should be fairly simple for you since you say the award is available when married to another airport in Japan. Book the trip from the other airport, for example NGO-BKK via TYO, after it tickets call the AS partner line and tell them you want to drop the NGO-TYO segment but keep the TYO-BKK segment. They may have to get a supervisor involved but this has been possible in the past.

Originally Posted by jglenn16

Actually, I am trying to add it to an existing US-TYO award. I have an existing award that is from LAX-NRT (3 day stopover) TKS-HND-BKK. The TKS-HND-BKK segments are in economy, which is why I'm trying to change it. There's business availability out of Nagoya, NGO-NRT-BKK on the AS site. So ultimately LAX-NRT (3 day stopover) NGO-NRT-BKK, and then try to drop the NGO-NRT segment later, but would be okay keeping it if I could get both segments in business. It is possible to do this via partner desk with my current award, or would it have to be a separate booking? Thanks again!

Originally Posted by Smiley90

Huh, I'm surprised that was even possible. Are you sure that's booked as a stopover and not as two awards? AFAIK AS awards only allowed stopovers in Tokyo on JAL flights.

Originally Posted by jglenn16

Yeah, I was able to book it as a multi-city on the website a couple days ago. It priced and booked as a 65k award redemption, but only with the LAX-NRT//TKS-HND segments in business. The HND-BKK segment is in economy.

Originally Posted by skimthetrees

eponymous_coward is correct that you won't see this on AS in the few days at the very end of schedule due to the bug mentioned previously.

I do not see AA showing availability for the dates you mentioned TPE-NRT-SEA. I do see availability in economy via AS MP in July so there is not an inherent problem with TPE, 7/11,12,13 for example. Are you looking for Y availability?

On the Taipei to TYO route it looks like JL runs 1-2 flights a day TSA-HND, but only one flight TPE-NRT. On the TSA-HND flights I have found occasions where both Y and J have availability, on the TPE-HND route far out I only have seen Y. It looks like JL has a married segment block on the TPE-NRT flights near the end of schedule. They will not allow you to book (near EOS) the TPE-NRT flight connecting to a SEA flight (probably all US flights). Even if you book via AAdvantage for those dates today you would have to book as two separate awards. At some point (currently around 6-8 weeks out) JL removes the married segment block and you should be able to book together (if there is still availability).

I doubt you will be able to do much to completely solve this problem until you get outside the AS bug window (used to be around 5 days) and even then it would required some work and luck to make it happen, the approach to which might vary depending on what the availability patterns of the TPE-NRT flight are combined with what the availability of the NRT-SEA flights are. If you are booking or have the points to book a round trip this could open additional options inside the AS bug window. Since this is so far out (Japan will be open for tourists) you could book TSA-HND connecting to NRT-SEA and do the land transfer in TYO if you had to but the odds are at some point the TPE-NRT will open up, at least in Y and you can change to that. Other options might be to book through another US gateway, TSA-SEA (via HND and SFO, LAX, or maybe even YVR).

Originally Posted by Smiley90

Huh, I'm surprised that was even possible.

Originally Posted by jglenn16

Actually, I am trying to add it to an existing US-TYO award. I have an existing award that is from LAX-NRT (3 day stopover) TKS-HND-BKK. The TKS-HND-BKK segments are in economy, which is why I'm trying to change it. There's business availability out of Nagoya, NGO-NRT-BKK on the AS site. So ultimately LAX-NRT (3 day stopover) NGO-NRT-BKK, and then try to drop the NGO-NRT segment later, but would be okay keeping it if I could get both segments in business. It is possible to do this via partner desk with my current award, or would it have to be a separate booking? Thanks again!

Originally Posted by will_give_tp_for_miles

Thanks for the info! I'm looking for any availability for TPE->NRT. My ultimate goal was to fly both legs in J either by doing book NRT->SEA in J then hopefully add TPE->NRT J later on to it or book TPE->NRT in Y with a NRT->SEA J leg then later on upgrade the TPE->NRT Y leg to J if availability opened up but am unable to even get a Y leg for TPE->NRT. What is this 6-8 week block?

Originally Posted by skimthetrees

Me too.



I think you being able to book as one award through Tokyo is a bug and I highly suspect that this bug will not extend to booking a second connection through the same airport (NRT). Stopover in TYO, yes. flying back through is, well, backtracking, and is supposed to not be allowed which is why I think there is a bug. I think the bug depends on the airports being different even though they are in the same city.

The BKK segment is restricted to married (at this point but it will probably be changed to unrestricted at some point later), the USA segment is not married restricted but can be part of a marriage to BKK if the connection is less than 24 hours. To my knowledge, you cannot book a marriage restricted segment by itself. AS can break a marriage but cannot create a marriage without valid partner segments to marry. A stopover divorces the segments and prevents a new married booking. Typically what can be done, which may be no help to you in this situation, is to book a married itinerary available with the married segments and then either cancel the non-married segment, or more commonly, change the date of the non-married segment to create a stopover. For example, Booking LAX-BKK via NRT, picking up the NRT-BKK segment that only shows up when married, then changing the date on the LAX-NRT segment (must have award availability on the new date for LAX-NRT) to create a stopover in NRT. You can thus grab the married segment and divorce it while still keeping it. But, you can't marry a married segment without a valid itin to partner it to, and as you described your trip, I don't think you don't have one.

Originally Posted by earthyfool

Hi - does anyone have any experience with dropping a segment on a JAL booking?
Situation is as follows: I have a One-way business class Award booking on JAL - "DEL-HND-KMQ" - using AS miles for Nov 12th. I now am not planning to continue to Komatsu and instead end the trip at HND.
I tried to cancel/drop the HND-KMQ segment online on AS website and got an error. So per force had to call AS. After waiting for over an hour for the partner rate desk, AS told me - they can't do it since there is no availability of DEL-HND in C.
So my question is, are there any potential issues if I just don't show up for the connecting flight at HND? Since we are a group of 4 (the other 3 are travelling on a different AA award DEL-HND booking ), I will not check-in any luggage.
Has someone tried this earlier? Should I anticipate any problem at HND or with JAL?
Thanks for any and all advise.

Originally Posted by skimthetrees

I have dropped and added segments in the past. AS can do it but you need to get to a competent agent. It should be no problem to drop the HND-KMQ segment if you talk to a competent agent. Look up the partner line phone number in this thread. Call it, preferably during SEA business hours, and you should have more luck. If they give you the same sob story of you need new availability ask to talk with a supervisor and explain you already have the availability booked for two segments and you just want to keep the one. It takes a little work from the right department but it is definitely possible. You may have to call back a couple of times to get a competent agent. I usually start out my call by saying I want to make a change to a partner award reservation and this sometimes in the past has saved me time by them routing you to a better trained agent.

It won't be a problem to just not show up for the HND-KMQ segment either if you can't find a competent agent to drop the segment (unless you have another JAL flight booked that conflicts with it).