Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
Last edit by: Quail
Wiki for using AS (Alaska) Miles on JL (Japan Airlines)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)
Oct 18, 2022, 8:15 am
#871
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
FYI I did find F award booking 2 months from now.
I am currently booked on all segments in J but just found award flight with 1st segment in coach and 2nd longest segment in First class. Should I switch to the mixed coach/first or stay with all business class on JAL? Any advice would be appreciated.
I am currently booked on all segments in J but just found award flight with 1st segment in coach and 2nd longest segment in First class. Should I switch to the mixed coach/first or stay with all business class on JAL? Any advice would be appreciated.
One thing to check, is there availability of J on the short segment when searching separately? The reason for this is that Alaska has (at least had) a bug where the web booking engine would not show J space when paired with an F award (not show J+F even when J was available but only show Y+F). If J is available on the individual Y segment then you have a good chance, based on previous reports, to after booking Y+F using the online change tool to either keep the F segment but change the Y segment to J, or call in to a partner agent and have them do it.
Oct 18, 2022, 8:30 am
#872
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Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,408
If I have miles in two accounts and want to book two tickets, can I call in with my partner on the line to book both on the same PNR using points fr.both accounts or do I just need to book them separately and hope nothing goes wrong?
Oct 18, 2022, 9:03 am
#873
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Programs: AS MVP Gold 75K, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 1,598
I suggest using the miles in one account to book the outbound, and the other account for the return. That way the two travelers for each set of flights are on the same PNR. They won't let you use two accounts to book onto a single PNR, in my experience.
Oct 18, 2022, 12:12 pm
#874
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Booking one-way from one account in one direction and one-way from the the other account for the return assumes 1) a return is required and 2) there are sufficient miles to cover two awards in each account. Quite often, that is not the case.
For example, if you are looking for an award for two in J on JL return, US-Asia is 65K miles, 260K return for 2. One account has 200k, the other 100K. How do you book so you have 2 PNRs?
Either account holder can book an award for two and draw from the other account since there are sufficient miles. After booking, the 200K account now has 135K and the other 35K. The 135K account holder books an award for 2 and will have a 5K balance. 260K redemmed, 2 PNRs.
The same holds true if you are booking an award for 2 one-way only but don't have enough miles to book 2 from one account.
James
Oct 20, 2022, 9:32 am
#875
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: TYO
Programs: Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 1,744
Does Alaska still charges $125 to cancel a partner award ticket?
Oct 20, 2022, 9:45 am
#876
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Oct 20, 2022, 3:16 pm
#877
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Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,408
AS will redeem miles from each of the passengers accounts if and only if there are sufficient miles to cover the award. I have done it many times.
Booking one-way from one account in one direction and one-way from the the other account for the return assumes 1) a return is required and 2) there are sufficient miles to cover two awards in each account. Quite often, that is not the case.
For example, if you are looking for an award for two in J on JL return, US-Asia is 65K miles, 260K return for 2. One account has 200k, the other 100K. How do you book so you have 2 PNRs?
Either account holder can book an award for two and draw from the other account since there are sufficient miles. After booking, the 200K account now has 135K and the other 35K. The 135K account holder books an award for 2 and will have a 5K balance. 260K redemmed, 2 PNRs.
The same holds true if you are booking an award for 2 one-way only but don't have enough miles to book 2 from one account.
James
Booking one-way from one account in one direction and one-way from the the other account for the return assumes 1) a return is required and 2) there are sufficient miles to cover two awards in each account. Quite often, that is not the case.
For example, if you are looking for an award for two in J on JL return, US-Asia is 65K miles, 260K return for 2. One account has 200k, the other 100K. How do you book so you have 2 PNRs?
Either account holder can book an award for two and draw from the other account since there are sufficient miles. After booking, the 200K account now has 135K and the other 35K. The 135K account holder books an award for 2 and will have a 5K balance. 260K redemmed, 2 PNRs.
The same holds true if you are booking an award for 2 one-way only but don't have enough miles to book 2 from one account.
James
Oct 20, 2022, 3:25 pm
#878
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
James
Oct 20, 2022, 3:27 pm
#879
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Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,408
Oct 20, 2022, 6:57 pm
#880
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oregon
Programs: AA EXP, AS 75K, UA 1MM Gold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Plat, National EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 4,001
I ended up returning my two HND-SFO business and one HNT-LAX first seats to inventory today. It was tough to find three seats on the same routing for my trip two weeks out - and a bunch of ANA inventory opened up YVR-NRT and HND-SFO for the dates I want. Moving chase ultimate rewards to virgin atlantic to book these for 90k miles R/T is normally a great deal - but with the 30% bonus on chase-->virgin flying club transfers this month it only cost me 208k points for three business class r/t's. I couldn't pass that up - even with the $2k in fuel surcharges Virgin Atlantic passes on. I'd rather the three of us travel together - so to whomever got my F seat HND-LAX on Nov 10th - you're welcome!
Alaska is still a great value compared to United in all my searches. Delta... unbelievable joke. Really crossing my fingers on the announced "changes coming soon"
Alaska is still a great value compared to United in all my searches. Delta... unbelievable joke. Really crossing my fingers on the announced "changes coming soon"
Oct 20, 2022, 7:21 pm
#881
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: BA Executive Club, AS Airlines Mileage Plan
Posts: 981
Looking to book flights with miles to Osaka and back from Tokyo next October in business class, for 2. We can fly from either SEA or SFO. Either way we fly to Tokyo then take a domestic flight to Osaka. The SEA flight is a 787 and the SFO flight is a 777. The seating configurations appear to be different ( 2-2-2 in the 777 or 1-2-1 in the 787) but I don’t know how to figure out which 787. Onfigurationnactually applies. The SFO flight time is an hour longer for the over-water flight, but we would arrive earlier in Osaka because the Seattle flight has a longer layover at NRT.
Balancing the pros and cons, I am leaning toward the SFO flight for an earlier arrival time (17:35 versus 2 hours later). We will want to travel to Kyoto to our hotel that same evening. Are there considerations regarding the type of seats or other things to consider that would be more important than arrival time?
Alternatively , we could just fly to Tokyo and spend the night there, then take the train to Kyoto the next morning. That is what we did last time (3 years ago). But the Tokyo hotel was very expensive, and it required an extra hotel as well as the train expense.
thanks for your help.
Balancing the pros and cons, I am leaning toward the SFO flight for an earlier arrival time (17:35 versus 2 hours later). We will want to travel to Kyoto to our hotel that same evening. Are there considerations regarding the type of seats or other things to consider that would be more important than arrival time?
Alternatively , we could just fly to Tokyo and spend the night there, then take the train to Kyoto the next morning. That is what we did last time (3 years ago). But the Tokyo hotel was very expensive, and it required an extra hotel as well as the train expense.
thanks for your help.
Oct 20, 2022, 7:55 pm
#882
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oregon
Programs: AA EXP, AS 75K, UA 1MM Gold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Plat, National EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 4,001
Different people have different thresholds. If in business on an asian carrier I don't quibble over metal type too much. HND vs NRT - not a biggie either. #1 is - which option will give you the best timing for rest at your destination? Go with that in my opinion.
Oct 21, 2022, 9:09 am
#883
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Looking to book flights with miles to Osaka and back from Tokyo next October in business class, for 2. We can fly from either SEA or SFO. Either way we fly to Tokyo then take a domestic flight to Osaka. The SEA flight is a 787 and the SFO flight is a 777. The seating configurations appear to be different ( 2-2-2 in the 777 or 1-2-1 in the 787) but I don’t know how to figure out which 787. Onfigurationnactually applies. The SFO flight time is an hour longer for the over-water flight, but we would arrive earlier in Osaka because the Seattle flight has a longer layover at NRT.
Balancing the pros and cons, I am leaning toward the SFO flight for an earlier arrival time (17:35 versus 2 hours later). We will want to travel to Kyoto to our hotel that same evening. Are there considerations regarding the type of seats or other things to consider that would be more important than arrival time?
Alternatively , we could just fly to Tokyo and spend the night there, then take the train to Kyoto the next morning. That is what we did last time (3 years ago). But the Tokyo hotel was very expensive, and it required an extra hotel as well as the train expense.
thanks for your help.
Balancing the pros and cons, I am leaning toward the SFO flight for an earlier arrival time (17:35 versus 2 hours later). We will want to travel to Kyoto to our hotel that same evening. Are there considerations regarding the type of seats or other things to consider that would be more important than arrival time?
Alternatively , we could just fly to Tokyo and spend the night there, then take the train to Kyoto the next morning. That is what we did last time (3 years ago). But the Tokyo hotel was very expensive, and it required an extra hotel as well as the train expense.
thanks for your help.
https://www.aerolopa.com/jl-boeing-787-type-e12
777-300ER SFO-HND:
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ja...77-300ER_B.php
https://www.aerolopa.com/jl-boeing-777-300er
787-800 SFO-NRT same configuration as the SEA flight
https://www.aerolopa.com/jl-boeing-787-type-e12
These all have a version of the JAL Sky Suite so probably the Business seats are similar. The 777-300ER has a 2-3-2 config (3 seats in the middle) so probably pick the side seats there. JAL blocks window seats towards the front of the Business Class cabin unless you have OWE status so beware of that.
Oct 21, 2022, 7:34 pm
#884
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 38
So just to confirm, it doesnt look like I'll be able to select my seats on an award F seat unless I have OWE status?