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Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)

Old Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
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All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport

Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)

For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.

Class of Service One-way Round-trip:

U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000

U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000

Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000


International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK

USA

Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA

Canada
Vancouver - YVR

Asia

Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN


Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)


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Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)

Old Jun 16, 2020, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Tokyoite
that is a bloggers own speculation. no rush, just wait. could be kinks being ironed out, or a strategy change by JAL JMB.
JMB could be blocking partners, as an incentive to its own members (SQ, AF do it too).
Or they may be doing it to drive consumption of JMB miles, considering the stockpile of miles that JBM members have retained due to the prolonged stoppage in international travel.
both of these, are of course speculation!
this cycle of rumours, panic, lots of talk and speculation, and then quiet once the matter is solved, is quite common and nothing to be alarmed at.
Well it's more than a rumor. JL F is currently being blocked for flights occurring after April 1, 2021. The question is whether that's temporary or permanent. But as of now the awards are being blocked.
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Old Jun 16, 2020, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Sandeep1
Well it's more than a rumor. JL F is currently being blocked for flights occurring after April 1, 2021. The question is whether that's temporary or permanent. But as of now the awards are being blocked.
JL F Awards continue to be available for OneWorld Partner redemptions, but the booking window may now be limited to ~300 days (vs. 360 days for JL MB own members).

JL Award Availability varies for non-OneWorld partners (incl. AS):

[KVS Tool 9.9.3/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR SWF
TYO  Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
TUE  13 Apr 2021

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
JL         3       JFK   01:30     HND   04:45 +1  773  0   FS2  CS5  WS9  YS9
JL         5       JFK   13:15     HND   16:35 +1  773  0   FS2  CS5  WS9  YS9
AA         1150    EWR   05:00     DFW   07:40     738  0   FS7  YS7
 -> JL     11      DFW   10:55     HND   14:20 +1  789  0   CS4  WS9  YS9
AA         1597    LGA   05:40     DFW   08:23     738  0   FS7  YS7
 -> JL     11      DFW   10:55     HND   14:20 +1  789  0   CS4  WS9  YS9
AA         2728    EWR   07:00     DFW   09:41     738  0   YS7
 -> JL     11      DFW   10:55     HND   14:20 +1  789  0   CS4  WS9  YS9
AA         76      JFK   07:07     SFO   10:29     32B  0   YS6
 -> JL     1       SFO   11:50     HND   15:00 +1  773  0   CS3  WS9  YS9
[KVS Tool 9.9.3/Diamond - Awards/QF-OneWorld/Auto-OW/US]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR SWF
TYO  Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
TUE  13 Apr 2021 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
JL         3       JFK   01:30     HND   04:45 +1       0   FS+  CS+  WS+  YS+
JL         5       JFK   13:15     HND   16:35 +1       0   FS+  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         2128    LGA   09:00     BOS   10:20          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     7       BOS   13:30     NRT   16:25 +1       0   FS-  CS-  WS+  YS+
AA         2249    JFK   09:59     BOS   11:16          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     7       BOS   13:30     NRT   16:25 +1       0   FS-  CS-  WS+  YS+
AA         2133    LGA   10:00     BOS   11:24          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     7       BOS   13:30     NRT   16:25 +1       0   FS-  CS-  WS+  YS+
AA         1597    LGA   05:40     DFW   08:23          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     11      DFW   10:55     HND   14:20 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         1984    LGA   06:30     DFW   09:15          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     11      DFW   10:55     HND   14:20 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         2728    EWR   07:00     DFW   09:41          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     11      DFW   10:55     HND   14:20 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         255     JFK   09:00     LAX   11:59          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     15      LAX   13:45     HND   17:20 +1       0   FS+  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         2919    EWR   06:59     ORD   08:37          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     9       ORD   12:25     HND   15:35 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         2819    JFK   07:00     ORD   08:47          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     9       ORD   12:25     HND   15:35 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         370     LGA   07:30     ORD   09:07          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     9       ORD   12:25     HND   15:35 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         114     LGA   08:30     ORD   10:18          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     9       ORD   12:25     HND   15:35 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         3303    EWR   09:07     ORD   10:43          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     9       ORD   12:25     HND   15:35 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         129     LGA   09:30     ORD   11:19          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     9       ORD   12:25     HND   15:35 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
AA         2218    JFK   08:00     SAN   11:05          0   FS-  CS+  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     65      SAN   13:10     NRT   16:45 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS-  YS+
AA         76      JFK   07:07     SFO   10:29          0   FS-  CS-  WS~  YS+
 -> JL     1       SFO   11:50     HND   15:00 +1       0   FS-  CS+  WS+  YS+
[KVS Tool 9.9.3/Diamond - Awards/AS-MultiAlliance/US]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR SWF
TYO  Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
TUE  13 Apr 2021 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
JL         3       JFK   01:30     HND   04:45 +1  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
JL         5       JFK   13:15     HND   16:35 +1  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
AS         205     EWR   07:30     LAX   10:40     738  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     61      LAX   13:05     NRT   16:40 +1  788  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
AS         205     EWR   07:30     LAX   10:40     738  0   FX-  CS+  YS+
 -> JL     15      LAX   13:45     HND   17:20 +1  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
AS         407     JFK   16:55     LAX   20:14     738  0   FX-  CS+  YX-
 -> JL     15      LAX   13:45 +1  HND   17:20 +2  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AS         331     EWR   18:55     LAX   22:05     738  0   FX-  CS+  YX-
 -> JL     15      LAX   13:45 +1  HND   17:20 +2  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AS         773     EWR   18:00     SAN   21:05     738  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     65      SAN   13:10 +1  NRT   16:45 +2  788  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
AS         7       JFK   07:00     SEA   10:18     321  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     67      SEA   13:30     NRT   15:50 +1  763  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
AS         791     EWR   09:00     SEA   12:05     738  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     67      SEA   13:30     NRT   15:50 +1  763  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
AS         11      EWR   16:35     SEA   19:45     739  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     67      SEA   13:30 +1  NRT   15:50 +2  763  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
AS         363     EWR   07:00     SFO   10:25     738  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     57      SFO   13:35     NRT   16:45 +1  788  0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AS         769     JFK   07:30     SFO   11:00     738  0   FX-  CS+  YX-
 -> JL     57      SFO   13:35     NRT   16:45 +1  788  0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AS         627     JFK   09:30     SFO   13:00     321  0   FX-  CS+  YS+
 -> JL     1       SFO   11:50 +1  HND   15:00 +2  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
AS         629     JFK   11:30     SFO   15:00     739  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     1       SFO   11:50 +1  HND   15:00 +2  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
AS         375     EWR   16:15     SFO   19:40     738  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     1       SFO   11:50 +1  HND   15:00 +2  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
AS         345     EWR   19:25     SFO   22:50     739  0   FX-  CS/  YS+
 -> JL     1       SFO   11:50 +1  HND   15:00 +2  77W  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 5:15 am
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anyone been able to book F past 4/1/21? or is it still appear to be blockee
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by localfbiagent
anyone been able to book F past 4/1/21? or is it still appear to be blockee
Still blocked for (or by) AS.
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Old Jul 11, 2020, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
Still blocked for (or by) AS.
I've been searching on a daily basis since the news, couple days ago 2PAX JFK-HND came available on May 3rd (I think around July 6th). Tried creating a stopover, but then the availability disappears...availability is still there so not sure if its phantom.

Trying to figure out if there's a pattern as I'm looking for late June.
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Old Jul 11, 2020, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by donrufio
I've been searching on a daily basis since the news, couple days ago 2PAX JFK-HND came available on May 3rd (I think around July 6th). Tried creating a stopover, but then the availability disappears...availability is still there so not sure if its phantom.

Trying to figure out if there's a pattern as I'm looking for late June.
Definitely other programs have shown F availability after 4/1, I have seen JL F available through QF and AA after 4/1, just not on AS.
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Old Jul 11, 2020, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
Definitely other programs have shown F availability after 4/1, I have seen JL F available through QF and AA after 4/1, just not on AS.
I am not sure what you are looking at on AA, but after 4/1 on the routes I am looking at (SYD/HND, LAX/HND) AA is trying to book into A class which is the incorrect class for an award booking. When I try to proceed with any booking it errors out, presumably because it is the wrong class.
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Old Jul 11, 2020, 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by minz56
I am not sure what you are looking at on AA, but after 4/1 on the routes I am looking at (SYD/HND, LAX/HND) AA is trying to book into A class which is the incorrect class for an award booking. When I try to proceed with any booking it errors out, presumably because it is the wrong class.
Just looking at availability on the award calendar starting with QF and then looking at AA. Didn't try to book. Now you mention it there was a problem reported with booking via AA so it looks like that's still a thing. QF seems to match JL's OneWorld availability so it might be bookable on QF. CX is showing availability too so it might be possible to book it that way. You might be to get AA to longsell it into Z if there is real (not phantom) availability but as far AS goes you won't get anything in F past April 1st currently.
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Old Jul 14, 2020, 11:44 pm
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
Definitely other programs have shown F availability after 4/1, I have seen JL F available through QF and AA after 4/1, just not on AS.
I have tried to book several days on American airlines. They are showing nothing but phantom award space. It's not bookable
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Old Jul 15, 2020, 3:41 am
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Originally Posted by DoubleWidesFly
I have tried to book several days on American airlines. They are showing nothing but phantom award space. It's not bookable
Yes, minz56 pointed out the problem attempting to book with AA above. 95% of the problem is AA's JAL award search is completely broken for F awards. According to another poster if you find verifiable award space through a non-broken award search (like QF) you can then get AA to book it by calling in.
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Old Aug 3, 2020, 11:11 am
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Trying to book 2 Early july HND-JFK flights. Has anyone been able to figure the bookings out?
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Old Aug 3, 2020, 6:15 pm
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As JAL offers "Peace of mind travel with free reservation changes", it appears there's some flexibility for changing the dates of the unflown legs of your trip (when a stopover is involved?), and I was wondering if that applies when using AS points.

Coronavirus travel waiver / service changes
https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/info/202...423/index.html
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Old Aug 3, 2020, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by localfbiagent
Trying to book 2 Early july HND-JFK flights. Has anyone been able to figure the bookings out?
There was this article today (TPG I know.. but relevant to this topic) https://thepointsguy.com/news/jal-fi...=MilesFeed.com. Change of fare code possibly causing an error.

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Old Aug 3, 2020, 7:35 pm
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Originally Posted by vanillabean
As JAL offers "Peace of mind travel with free reservation changes", it appears there's some flexibility for changing the dates of the unflown legs of your trip (when a stopover is involved?), and I was wondering if that applies when using AS points.

Coronavirus travel waiver / service changes
https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/info/202...423/index.html
On an AS award, AS is issuing the award ticket on their own 027 ticket stock. I am sure that AS rules will apply.

I see some JL F space next month. Unless you are not in the 100+ Nationalities than can't enter Japan right now, the award space isn't of much use. Although transit is possible, I haven't scoured their current flight offerings to see if I could actually go anywhere beyond Tokyo. The usual prospects, BKK, SIN, HKG, DEL, GMP are out of the question. Transits in Japan are only allowed for same day departures.

Any international award bookings now and into the new year are speculative at best. The reduction of flights turns connections into long layovers.

If you are okay with a 14-day quarentine in TPE, you could book ORD-SEA-YVR-TYO-TPE in AS(F, F), JL(J, J) next month and you would get there in a mere 3 days for 65K MP miles. Although bookable, you wouldn't be able to fly the route. The 23h 50m transit airside in YVR would be painful and the 20h, 10m connection in NRT wouldn't be possible since your transit flight would not be the same day as your arrival.

Fun times!

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Old Aug 5, 2020, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by Flying for Fun
Transits in Japan are only allowed for same day departures.
HND is allowable overnight but you can't go landside, if not allowed to enter the country. There's an airside hotel as well.

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