Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
May 8, 2020, 3:52 pm
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Here's another batch of questions to provide a bit of diversion while you're sheltering in place. As always, please limit your` response to no more than two questions per day so that all may participate. And as always, we are looking for complete answers here. Ready? Set? Go!
32. (1989) Your family loves to ski. Unfortunately quality ski opportunities are difficult to come by in Minnesota so this year you’ve headed off to Killington, Vermont. Unfortunately, getting back home to the Twin Cities will not be as easy as it was getting to Vermont. Your flight from Burlington to Minneapolis makes 2 enroute stops. At least a snack is served along the way. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.
33. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what is the only state in the U.S. with no jet service?
This question is incorrectly dated. By 1970 all states had jet service.
34. (1995) You’ve always had family on both coasts. You live on Long Island while your wife’s family is from Sacramento, CA. Back in the “Good old days” United used to run a one-stop DC-8 routing JFK-SLC-SMF. That flight lasted through most of the 1970s and then pffft! It disappeared leaving your only options a connection through one or more cities along the way. Well, happy days are here again with the arrival of a new one-stop direct flight that departs early each morning from nearby LaGuardia airport. Sadly it’s the only direct flight from any NY airport to SMF, but hey! That beats nothin’ and is worth getting up early for. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
35. (1988) Once upon a time, there were lots of relatively short 747 flights within the continental United States. We’re talking segments under 1000 miles in length. Anyway, that was then. These days I’ve found just three segments under 1000 miles being flown by 747s in the continental U.S. For this question, we’re looking to identify just the shortest segment and the airline that flies it.
It wasn't NW on the ORD-MSP route. It was shorter
36. (1979) It’s been a great weekend in Las Vegas but now duty calls in Baltimore. You’ve got a late afternoon appointment in Glen Burnie and it just so happens that there’s a one-stop redeye that’ll get you into Baltimore mid-morning. Your ability to sleep on airplanes is legendary, so this flight will be perfect! Identify the airline, aircraft and the stop.
37. (1979) After having traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh by train, you join an old friend from Carnegie Mellon University to watch the Steelers take on their arch rivals, the Cleveland Browns. The next day is a travel day requiring you to head across country to Seattle, Washington. Unfortunately, US Air is still a couple years away from offering nonstop flights in this market, but thankfully there is a single daily one-stop direct flight. Better yet, it’s a morning departure and it’s got a First Class seat available. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
38. (1998) You’re seated aboard the only flight between New York and Las Vegas that markets a Business Class or “C” class seat. Well what the heck – it’s cheaper than everyone else’s First Class so you’ve decided to splurge! Identify the airline and aircraft you’re flying aboard.
39. (1979) Between San Juan, PR and Miami, almost all of the mostly daily flights are operated with wide-bodied equipment. Only one airline serves this route exclusively with narrow-bodied equipment (2 daily flights). Identify that airline as well as the aircraft type it utilizes.
40. (1988) From your home outside St. Louis, MO you need to fly back to Long Island for your 10th high school reunion at Connetquot High School. These days there’s a lot more service into nearby Long Island MacArthur Airport than there used to be, though you’re disappointed to find none from hometown airline TWA. Thankfully, the STL-ISP route is served by a single daily two-stop flight, so you quickly book a seat before pondering which clothes will make you look thinnest at the reunion. Identify the airline, aircraft and the two enroute stops in order.
41. (1979) After a week of studying archaeological artifacts recently discovered in Mexico City’s Chapultepec Park, it’s time to return home to your work in the Department of Anthropology at the Université de Montréal. Iberia offers a nonstop flight but it’s sold out all week. Thankfully your Québécois tinged Spanish is good enough to have netted you a newly expired OAG from the travel agency located downstairs in your hotel lobby. A thorough perusal of its pages allows you to cobble together an exciting three flight routing up to Montreal involving three different airlines operating three different aircraft types, each built by a different manufacturer. Each of the airlines is also its country’s main flag carrier. As an added bonus, you can complete the entire trip in a single day. Identify the three airlines, the aircraft type each flies and the routing of this trip. Buena suerte!
In play. AeroMexico is one of the airlines
42. (1985) It’s not often you have cause to travel from your home outside Great Falls, MT to Fargo, ND. The reason for this trip is a nicely priced hay baler that you read about from an ad in Modern Farmer magazine. Given its condition of the baler and price, it’s worth making the trip to Fargo to check it out. Flying to most anywhere from GTF usually involves a connection or two, so you’re thrilled to discover that you’ll be able to fly to Fargo without any potentially troublesome connections thanks to a single daily 3 stop direct flight departing Great Falls each morning at 7:45am. You’ll even be served a couple of snacks enroute. Identify the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type operating this service.
It's not Northwest and a 727 was not used, though the first stop was Billings
43. (1989) It used to bethat the only airline offering flights between Albuquerque and Tucson was Frontier. You still have fond memories of dressing up to fly to Tucson aboard a new 727 Arrow Jet back in 1967. These days Frontier has passed into history and the ABQ-TUS market is now served by two airlines, each offering two daily nonstop flights. Identify those airlines and the aircraft each operates on its flights.
44. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what was the longest Convair 880 flight in North America?
45. (1995) Duty calls in the form of a sales call next week out in Albuquerque, New Mexico. From your home office in New Orleans, you figure you’ll probably have to connect in Houston or Dallas but are pleased to find a one stop direct flight that departs New Orleans each morning and arrives in Albuquerque with plenty of time left in the day to complete your business. You ask your secretary to book you a seat and then return your attention to the Metairie project.
It's not Southwest
46. (1985) You’ve been invited to join friends for a party at their condo near Mt. Lemmon, the southernmost ski destination in the continental United States. Last year you went on a ski trip to Aspen but your skis stayed behind in Denver and didn’t arrive until the day after you’d departed Aspen. Once you’ve located the closest airport to Mt. Lemmon you’re understandably thankful to discover a single daily direct flight departing Spokane’s Geiger Field every afternoon. It makes three stops along the way, but hey – no connections! By now you know the drill – airline, aircraft and stops. In order, please.
47. (1988) It had been a nice ride thus far – as buses go. You’d boarded the Grey Dog in Wilmington, DE earlier this evening and were headed to Scranton, PA when suddenly the driver came on over the PA and announced that there was some kind of a problem with the engine and he’d have to get off the road. Thankfully he was able to do so at a Sunoco Travel Plaza just off I-95 on the outskirts of Philadelphia. He then contacted dispatch on his radio only to be informed that a replacement bus wouldn’t be available until sometime after 11:30pm. Whaaat? No way! You need to be in Scranton before midnight! Maybe you could fly there. You call US Air whose agent informs you that their last flight of the night between Philly and AVP departs in 12 minutes. However, she’s kind enough to let you know that another airline has a flight departing Philly in about an hour and half, with a jet no less. Calls to that airline and then a taxi company prove fruitful and soon you’re on your way to AVP in First Class no less, courtesy of the FN/YN designated flight. Identify the airline and aircraft you’re flying upon.
48. (1998) If you want to fly out of Las Vegas aboard a DC-9-30, only one airline fits the bill, offering service to a single destination. Identify the airline and the destination city served.
49. (1989) Your old college buddy from Carnegie Mellon University has called to let you know he’s recently come upon a pair of tickets to this weekend’s Steelers game against the Patriots. Wanna go?! Hmm… A quick check of the schedules shows a single airline offering two daily direct flights between your hometown airport in Melbourne, FL and Pittsburgh. Both flights make the same two stops along the way, and in terms of total travel time either one would time out about the same as if you’d made a 1.5 hour connection in Atlanta. You decide to book a seat on the early evening flight and call your buddy with the good news. Name the airline, the aircraft and the two stops. And if you’re really up for it, the score of the game.
52. (1988) Five different U.S. airlines have owned and operated Boeing’s 747SP. Three of those airlines have operated it on domestic flights within the continental U.S. Per the OAG I used to reference this question, only one airline now operates a single 747SP flight on a coast to coast routing. Identify the route and the airline please.
It's not TWA or anything out of either SFO or BOS
53. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what was the shortest flight in the U.S. operated with a 747?
54. (1995) Over the years, the Miami to Montreal route has offered a great opportunity to enjoy international standard inflight service via the fifth freedom rights granted to foreign carriers flying the route. Alas, Aerolineas Argentinas and its 747s no longer ply the route, but another airline still offers a seat in the forward cabin aboard a one-stop direct flight that will put you into Montreal – albeit Mirabel – by midday. Name the airline, aircraft and enroute stop.
A N S W E R E D
57. (1998) From your home in Scottsdale, Arizona you need to travel to Montreal, Quebec for a symposium on light rail options and operations hosted by Bombardier, one of the world's largest companies in the rail vehicle and equipment manufacturing and servicing industry. With plenty of time available to you before the symposium, you decide to have a bit of fun with your flights out to Montreal. To wit, you’ve found a combination of flights that will allow you to
.
58. (1988) You’ve had a great week of sailboarding around the Bahamas and now it’s time to return home to Nashville. Your trip out to Nassau involved a couple of connections, but on the way home you’ll be on a direct flight – albeit one that makes two enroute stops. That’s fine by you – there’ll be less chances to damage or lose your rad sailboard. Identify the airline, aircraft and the two enroute stops in order please.
59. (1995) Over the years you’ve seen three different airlines offer nonstop service on the Omaha to Washington DC route. Unfortunately, none of them seem to offer the service for more than a couple years. At least the latest iteration operates two almost daily flights into Washington National, conveniently located just a short drive from your hotel at L’Enfant Plaza. Identify the airline and aircraft type operated on this route.
A N S W E R E D
60. (1979) Cleveland can be particularly dreary in the winter, so one can only imagine your excitement to be headed down to sunny Acapulco this weekend. Thankfully, you won’t have to make any connections either because there’s a single direct flight between Cleveland and Acapulco that makes two enroute stops. Name the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft type.
32. (1989) Your family loves to ski. Unfortunately quality ski opportunities are difficult to come by in Minnesota so this year you’ve headed off to Killington, Vermont. Unfortunately, getting back home to the Twin Cities will not be as easy as it was getting to Vermont. Your flight from Burlington to Minneapolis makes 2 enroute stops. At least a snack is served along the way. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.
33. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what is the only state in the U.S. with no jet service?
This question is incorrectly dated. By 1970 all states had jet service.
34. (1995) You’ve always had family on both coasts. You live on Long Island while your wife’s family is from Sacramento, CA. Back in the “Good old days” United used to run a one-stop DC-8 routing JFK-SLC-SMF. That flight lasted through most of the 1970s and then pffft! It disappeared leaving your only options a connection through one or more cities along the way. Well, happy days are here again with the arrival of a new one-stop direct flight that departs early each morning from nearby LaGuardia airport. Sadly it’s the only direct flight from any NY airport to SMF, but hey! That beats nothin’ and is worth getting up early for. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
35. (1988) Once upon a time, there were lots of relatively short 747 flights within the continental United States. We’re talking segments under 1000 miles in length. Anyway, that was then. These days I’ve found just three segments under 1000 miles being flown by 747s in the continental U.S. For this question, we’re looking to identify just the shortest segment and the airline that flies it.
It wasn't NW on the ORD-MSP route. It was shorter
36. (1979) It’s been a great weekend in Las Vegas but now duty calls in Baltimore. You’ve got a late afternoon appointment in Glen Burnie and it just so happens that there’s a one-stop redeye that’ll get you into Baltimore mid-morning. Your ability to sleep on airplanes is legendary, so this flight will be perfect! Identify the airline, aircraft and the stop.
37. (1979) After having traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh by train, you join an old friend from Carnegie Mellon University to watch the Steelers take on their arch rivals, the Cleveland Browns. The next day is a travel day requiring you to head across country to Seattle, Washington. Unfortunately, US Air is still a couple years away from offering nonstop flights in this market, but thankfully there is a single daily one-stop direct flight. Better yet, it’s a morning departure and it’s got a First Class seat available. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.
38. (1998) You’re seated aboard the only flight between New York and Las Vegas that markets a Business Class or “C” class seat. Well what the heck – it’s cheaper than everyone else’s First Class so you’ve decided to splurge! Identify the airline and aircraft you’re flying aboard.
39. (1979) Between San Juan, PR and Miami, almost all of the mostly daily flights are operated with wide-bodied equipment. Only one airline serves this route exclusively with narrow-bodied equipment (2 daily flights). Identify that airline as well as the aircraft type it utilizes.
40. (1988) From your home outside St. Louis, MO you need to fly back to Long Island for your 10th high school reunion at Connetquot High School. These days there’s a lot more service into nearby Long Island MacArthur Airport than there used to be, though you’re disappointed to find none from hometown airline TWA. Thankfully, the STL-ISP route is served by a single daily two-stop flight, so you quickly book a seat before pondering which clothes will make you look thinnest at the reunion. Identify the airline, aircraft and the two enroute stops in order.
41. (1979) After a week of studying archaeological artifacts recently discovered in Mexico City’s Chapultepec Park, it’s time to return home to your work in the Department of Anthropology at the Université de Montréal. Iberia offers a nonstop flight but it’s sold out all week. Thankfully your Québécois tinged Spanish is good enough to have netted you a newly expired OAG from the travel agency located downstairs in your hotel lobby. A thorough perusal of its pages allows you to cobble together an exciting three flight routing up to Montreal involving three different airlines operating three different aircraft types, each built by a different manufacturer. Each of the airlines is also its country’s main flag carrier. As an added bonus, you can complete the entire trip in a single day. Identify the three airlines, the aircraft type each flies and the routing of this trip. Buena suerte!
In play. AeroMexico is one of the airlines
42. (1985) It’s not often you have cause to travel from your home outside Great Falls, MT to Fargo, ND. The reason for this trip is a nicely priced hay baler that you read about from an ad in Modern Farmer magazine. Given its condition of the baler and price, it’s worth making the trip to Fargo to check it out. Flying to most anywhere from GTF usually involves a connection or two, so you’re thrilled to discover that you’ll be able to fly to Fargo without any potentially troublesome connections thanks to a single daily 3 stop direct flight departing Great Falls each morning at 7:45am. You’ll even be served a couple of snacks enroute. Identify the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type operating this service.
It's not Northwest and a 727 was not used, though the first stop was Billings
43. (1989) It used to bethat the only airline offering flights between Albuquerque and Tucson was Frontier. You still have fond memories of dressing up to fly to Tucson aboard a new 727 Arrow Jet back in 1967. These days Frontier has passed into history and the ABQ-TUS market is now served by two airlines, each offering two daily nonstop flights. Identify those airlines and the aircraft each operates on its flights.
44. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what was the longest Convair 880 flight in North America?
45. (1995) Duty calls in the form of a sales call next week out in Albuquerque, New Mexico. From your home office in New Orleans, you figure you’ll probably have to connect in Houston or Dallas but are pleased to find a one stop direct flight that departs New Orleans each morning and arrives in Albuquerque with plenty of time left in the day to complete your business. You ask your secretary to book you a seat and then return your attention to the Metairie project.
It's not Southwest
46. (1985) You’ve been invited to join friends for a party at their condo near Mt. Lemmon, the southernmost ski destination in the continental United States. Last year you went on a ski trip to Aspen but your skis stayed behind in Denver and didn’t arrive until the day after you’d departed Aspen. Once you’ve located the closest airport to Mt. Lemmon you’re understandably thankful to discover a single daily direct flight departing Spokane’s Geiger Field every afternoon. It makes three stops along the way, but hey – no connections! By now you know the drill – airline, aircraft and stops. In order, please.
47. (1988) It had been a nice ride thus far – as buses go. You’d boarded the Grey Dog in Wilmington, DE earlier this evening and were headed to Scranton, PA when suddenly the driver came on over the PA and announced that there was some kind of a problem with the engine and he’d have to get off the road. Thankfully he was able to do so at a Sunoco Travel Plaza just off I-95 on the outskirts of Philadelphia. He then contacted dispatch on his radio only to be informed that a replacement bus wouldn’t be available until sometime after 11:30pm. Whaaat? No way! You need to be in Scranton before midnight! Maybe you could fly there. You call US Air whose agent informs you that their last flight of the night between Philly and AVP departs in 12 minutes. However, she’s kind enough to let you know that another airline has a flight departing Philly in about an hour and half, with a jet no less. Calls to that airline and then a taxi company prove fruitful and soon you’re on your way to AVP in First Class no less, courtesy of the FN/YN designated flight. Identify the airline and aircraft you’re flying upon.
48. (1998) If you want to fly out of Las Vegas aboard a DC-9-30, only one airline fits the bill, offering service to a single destination. Identify the airline and the destination city served.
49. (1989) Your old college buddy from Carnegie Mellon University has called to let you know he’s recently come upon a pair of tickets to this weekend’s Steelers game against the Patriots. Wanna go?! Hmm… A quick check of the schedules shows a single airline offering two daily direct flights between your hometown airport in Melbourne, FL and Pittsburgh. Both flights make the same two stops along the way, and in terms of total travel time either one would time out about the same as if you’d made a 1.5 hour connection in Atlanta. You decide to book a seat on the early evening flight and call your buddy with the good news. Name the airline, the aircraft and the two stops. And if you’re really up for it, the score of the game.
52. (1988) Five different U.S. airlines have owned and operated Boeing’s 747SP. Three of those airlines have operated it on domestic flights within the continental U.S. Per the OAG I used to reference this question, only one airline now operates a single 747SP flight on a coast to coast routing. Identify the route and the airline please.
It's not TWA or anything out of either SFO or BOS
53. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what was the shortest flight in the U.S. operated with a 747?
54. (1995) Over the years, the Miami to Montreal route has offered a great opportunity to enjoy international standard inflight service via the fifth freedom rights granted to foreign carriers flying the route. Alas, Aerolineas Argentinas and its 747s no longer ply the route, but another airline still offers a seat in the forward cabin aboard a one-stop direct flight that will put you into Montreal – albeit Mirabel – by midday. Name the airline, aircraft and enroute stop.
A N S W E R E D
57. (1998) From your home in Scottsdale, Arizona you need to travel to Montreal, Quebec for a symposium on light rail options and operations hosted by Bombardier, one of the world's largest companies in the rail vehicle and equipment manufacturing and servicing industry. With plenty of time available to you before the symposium, you decide to have a bit of fun with your flights out to Montreal. To wit, you’ve found a combination of flights that will allow you to
.
- Fly between PHX and YMX aboard a 727, 737 and 747 in that order
- Both the 727 and 737 flights will be in all-economy configurations with only the 747 offering premium class seating
- The 727 and 737 flights are not variant specific
58. (1988) You’ve had a great week of sailboarding around the Bahamas and now it’s time to return home to Nashville. Your trip out to Nassau involved a couple of connections, but on the way home you’ll be on a direct flight – albeit one that makes two enroute stops. That’s fine by you – there’ll be less chances to damage or lose your rad sailboard. Identify the airline, aircraft and the two enroute stops in order please.
59. (1995) Over the years you’ve seen three different airlines offer nonstop service on the Omaha to Washington DC route. Unfortunately, none of them seem to offer the service for more than a couple years. At least the latest iteration operates two almost daily flights into Washington National, conveniently located just a short drive from your hotel at L’Enfant Plaza. Identify the airline and aircraft type operated on this route.
A N S W E R E D
60. (1979) Cleveland can be particularly dreary in the winter, so one can only imagine your excitement to be headed down to sunny Acapulco this weekend. Thankfully, you won’t have to make any connections either because there’s a single direct flight between Cleveland and Acapulco that makes two enroute stops. Name the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft type.
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42. (1985)
It’s not often you have cause to travel from your home outside Great Falls, MT to Fargo, ND. The reason for this trip is a nicely priced hay baler that you read about from an ad in Modern Farmer magazine. Given its condition of the baler and price, it’s worth making the trip to Fargo to check it out. Flying to most anywhere from GTF usually involves a connection or two, so you’re thrilled to discover that you’ll be able to fly to Fargo without any potentially troublesome connections thanks to a single daily 3 stop direct flight departing Great Falls each morning at 7:45am. You’ll even be served a couple of snacks enroute. Identify the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type operating this service.
When I used to send off to the US airline offices in London for timetables in the late 1960s, Northwest had these all-stops flights where a 727 took much of a day to get from Seattle to Minneapolis. Could it be one of these ? Ran via places I presume few in Britain ever knew existed, much less travelled to. Could it be one of these, through Billings, Bismark and Jamestown, all old Northwest stops back to Lockheed 10A days.
Meanwhile, continuing our occasional series of wildlife intruders, here in lockdown I have had to go out to the major hardware store (B&Q, our Home Depot equivalent), just reopened, to get some heavy materials to deal with, of all things here in inner London, a fox, which has been doing some serious night-time excavation under the house walls, exposing the foundations. It's a huge hole now and is going to need several bags of fill. It already damaged our back garden wooden fence by scrambling over it. Every day I restored things and every night it digs worse.
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42. (1985) It’s not often you have cause to travel from your home outside Great Falls, MT to Fargo, ND. The reason for this trip is a nicely priced hay baler that you read about from an ad in Modern Farmer magazine. Given its condition of the baler and price, it’s worth making the trip to Fargo to check it out. Flying to most anywhere from GTF usually involves a connection or two, so you’re thrilled to discover that you’ll be able to fly to Fargo without any potentially troublesome connections thanks to a single daily 3 stop direct flight departing Great Falls each morning at 7:45am. You’ll even be served a couple of snacks enroute. Identify the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type operating this service.
When I used to send off to the US airline offices in London for timetables in the late 1960s, Northwest had these all-stops flights where a 727 took much of a day to get from Seattle to Minneapolis. Could it be one of these ? Ran via places I presume few in Britain ever knew existed, much less travelled to. Could it be one of these, through Billings, Bismark and Jamestown, all old Northwest stops back to Lockheed 10A days.
Indeed, throughout the 60s and 70s Northwest operated some fantastic milkruns across the northern plains states. One such flight was once the subject of a question here involving 9 or 10 stops between Miami and Seattle. I just happen to have a 1970 OAG handy and in it Northwest offers a 7 stop flight between Chicago and Seattle (NW 105 ORD-MSP-FAR-BIS-BIL-GTF-GEG-PDX-SEA) or a 5 stopper between Billings and Seattle (NW 103 BIL-BZN-BTM-HLN-MSO-GEG-SEA). Some of these flights, while detailed in the itinerary section of the OAG, do not show up in the city-pairs schedules. Not so NW 103 & 105. The closest I ever came to flying one was between Billings and Seattle in August of 1976 aboard NW 103, operated with a 727-200. The routing was slightly different as Bozeman had been dropped (BIL-BTM-HLN-MSO-GEG-SEA) but no less fun. Given the mountainous terrain, these flights were particularly enjoyable through the western part of Montana and on across the Cascades. The flights were short with altitudes commensurate to distance, so they were very much like an air tour of the American West. Though I didn't fly Northwest often, I did log a few milkruns through the region with Hughes and Western.
Turning our attention back to the question at hand, surprising though it may seem given that we're traveling in Northwest's backyard, we are actually looking for a different airline operating a different aircraft type. Billings was indeed the first stop, but the routing differed from the one you've submitted after that point.
It should also be noted that when researching these questions, I only select a multi-stop flight such as the one referenced in this question if it is the ONLY one serving a given route. As such, you wouldn't find Northwest also offering service between GTF and FAR - whether it were one stop or four.
And on one final note, should any of you desire a view of city-pair offerings for this or any schedule in an OAG that I have, please let me know either here or by PM. I can easily photograph the schedule and send it to you as an attachment.
Meanwhile, continuing our occasional series of wildlife intruders, here in lockdown I have had to go out to the major hardware store (B&Q, our Home Depot equivalent), just reopened, to get some heavy materials to deal with, of all things here in inner London, a fox, which has been doing some serious night-time excavation under the house walls, exposing the foundations. It's a huge hole now and is going to need several bags of fill. It already damaged our back garden wooden fence by scrambling over it. Every day I restored things and every night it digs worse.
I wonder if there are any items such as the one linked to below (Currently unavailable from Amazon UK) that might be effective?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mega-Sonic-.../dp/B0012KLCL8
Typing in "Fox Repellent" brought up a few more options on the U.S. site.
When I used to send off to the US airline offices in London for timetables in the late 1960s, Northwest had these all-stops flights where a 727 took much of a day to get from Seattle to Minneapolis. Could it be one of these ? Ran via places I presume few in Britain ever knew existed, much less travelled to. Could it be one of these, through Billings, Bismark and Jamestown, all old Northwest stops back to Lockheed 10A days.
Indeed, throughout the 60s and 70s Northwest operated some fantastic milkruns across the northern plains states. One such flight was once the subject of a question here involving 9 or 10 stops between Miami and Seattle. I just happen to have a 1970 OAG handy and in it Northwest offers a 7 stop flight between Chicago and Seattle (NW 105 ORD-MSP-FAR-BIS-BIL-GTF-GEG-PDX-SEA) or a 5 stopper between Billings and Seattle (NW 103 BIL-BZN-BTM-HLN-MSO-GEG-SEA). Some of these flights, while detailed in the itinerary section of the OAG, do not show up in the city-pairs schedules. Not so NW 103 & 105. The closest I ever came to flying one was between Billings and Seattle in August of 1976 aboard NW 103, operated with a 727-200. The routing was slightly different as Bozeman had been dropped (BIL-BTM-HLN-MSO-GEG-SEA) but no less fun. Given the mountainous terrain, these flights were particularly enjoyable through the western part of Montana and on across the Cascades. The flights were short with altitudes commensurate to distance, so they were very much like an air tour of the American West. Though I didn't fly Northwest often, I did log a few milkruns through the region with Hughes and Western.
Turning our attention back to the question at hand, surprising though it may seem given that we're traveling in Northwest's backyard, we are actually looking for a different airline operating a different aircraft type. Billings was indeed the first stop, but the routing differed from the one you've submitted after that point.
It should also be noted that when researching these questions, I only select a multi-stop flight such as the one referenced in this question if it is the ONLY one serving a given route. As such, you wouldn't find Northwest also offering service between GTF and FAR - whether it were one stop or four.
And on one final note, should any of you desire a view of city-pair offerings for this or any schedule in an OAG that I have, please let me know either here or by PM. I can easily photograph the schedule and send it to you as an attachment.
Meanwhile, continuing our occasional series of wildlife intruders, here in lockdown I have had to go out to the major hardware store (B&Q, our Home Depot equivalent), just reopened, to get some heavy materials to deal with, of all things here in inner London, a fox, which has been doing some serious night-time excavation under the house walls, exposing the foundations. It's a huge hole now and is going to need several bags of fill. It already damaged our back garden wooden fence by scrambling over it. Every day I restored things and every night it digs worse.
I wonder if there are any items such as the one linked to below (Currently unavailable from Amazon UK) that might be effective?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mega-Sonic-.../dp/B0012KLCL8
Typing in "Fox Repellent" brought up a few more options on the U.S. site.
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“serious night-time excavation under the house walls”
one late summer evening about two years ago I had made three or four trips between the car and house, bringing groceries and other miscellany inside; a couple hours later the dog started acting strangely, sniffing around the connecting door, and when I opened it I realized I had forgotten to close the garage door
I pushed the button to close the door; it started down and immediately reversed; I pressed it again and it closed normally
we took the dog with us the next morning when we left for brunch and a day of running errands and wine-tasting, and didn’t get back home until well past dinnertime
around 1100 the following morning the dog started whining by the door again ... I opened the connecting door and saw this
and found the culprits
obviously mama raccoon had interrupted the door closing cycle the previous night ... I grabbed a push broom and started poking at the kits; one ran right out, but it took about 15 minutes of harassing the second before it finally scurried out of the garage
when a neighbor mentioned seeing a raccoon pawing at the corner of the garage the day before, I went to investigate ... mama had dug out ~an inch of dirt under the driveway slab in an effort to get back into the garage to be with her kits
one late summer evening about two years ago I had made three or four trips between the car and house, bringing groceries and other miscellany inside; a couple hours later the dog started acting strangely, sniffing around the connecting door, and when I opened it I realized I had forgotten to close the garage door
I pushed the button to close the door; it started down and immediately reversed; I pressed it again and it closed normally
we took the dog with us the next morning when we left for brunch and a day of running errands and wine-tasting, and didn’t get back home until well past dinnertime
around 1100 the following morning the dog started whining by the door again ... I opened the connecting door and saw this
and found the culprits
obviously mama raccoon had interrupted the door closing cycle the previous night ... I grabbed a push broom and started poking at the kits; one ran right out, but it took about 15 minutes of harassing the second before it finally scurried out of the garage
when a neighbor mentioned seeing a raccoon pawing at the corner of the garage the day before, I went to investigate ... mama had dug out ~an inch of dirt under the driveway slab in an effort to get back into the garage to be with her kits
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Yep, here in Alaska bears have come out of hibernation and they're hungry. It's not a good idea to leave food in parked cars. The bears don't need keys. As for my ongoing battle with the Red Tree Squirrels, they appear to have found a way in from under the cabin. I've found placing a fan up against the wall they like causes noise and vibration which they don't like. Non-lethal. That said, my new Mossberg SA-20 Semi-Auto shotgun packs plenty of lethality if need be...
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35. (1988) Once upon a time, there were lots of relatively short 747 flights within the continental United States. We’re talking segments under 1000 miles in length. Anyway, that was then. These days I’ve found just three segments under 1000 miles being flown by 747s in the continental U.S. For this question, we’re looking to identify just the shortest segment and the airline that flies it.
MSP-ORD (334 miles)
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41. (1979) After a week of studying archaeological artifacts recently discovered in Mexico City’s Chapultepec Park, it’s time to return home to your work in the Department of Anthropology at the Université de Montréal. Iberia offers a nonstop flight but it’s sold out all week. Thankfully your Québécois tinged Spanish is good enough to have netted you a newly expired OAG from the travel agency located downstairs in your hotel lobby. A thorough perusal of its pages allows you to cobble together an exciting three flight routing up to Montreal involving three different airlines operating three different aircraft types, each built by a different manufacturer. Each of the airlines is also its country’s main flag carrier. As an added bonus, you can complete the entire trip in a single day. Identify the three airlines, the aircraft type each flies and the routing of this trip. Buena suerte!
let’s start with MEX-Nassau/NAS on a British Airways L-1011, a short hop to Orlando/MCO on a Bahamasair BAC One-Eleven, and the final leg to Montreal Dorval/YUL on an Air Canada DC-8-61
52. (1988) Five different U.S. airlines have owned and operated Boeing’s 747SP. Three of those airlines have operated it on domestic flights within the continental U.S. Per the OAG I used to reference this question, only one airline now operates a single 747SP flight on a coast to coast routing. Identify the route and the airline please.
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54. (1995) Over the years, the Miami to Montreal route has offered a great opportunity to enjoy international standard inflight service via the fifth freedom rights granted to foreign carriers flying the route. Alas, Aerolineas Argentinas and its 747s no longer ply the route, but another airline still offers a seat in the forward cabin aboard a one-stop direct flight that will put you into Montreal – albeit Mirabel – by midday. Name the airline, aircraft and enroute stop.
59. (1995) Over the years you’ve seen three different airlines offer nonstop service on the Omaha to Washington DC route. Unfortunately, none of them seem to offer the service for more than a couple years. At least the latest iteration operates two almost daily flights into Washington National, conveniently located just a short drive from your hotel at L’Enfant Plaza. Identify the airline and aircraft type operated on this route.
59. I think this was Midwest Express operating DC9-10 service as I recall Omaha was a focus city for the carrier. If so, the cabin was in a business class type of arrangement with 2-2 seating and just 60 seats although the flights were marketed as coach. Here's the Midwest Express DC9 seating chart:
www.departedflights.com/YXDC90889.html
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35. (1988) Once upon a time, there were lots of relatively short 747 flights within the continental United States. We’re talking segments under 1000 miles in length. Anyway, that was then. These days I’ve found just three segments under 1000 miles being flown by 747s in the continental U.S. For this question, we’re looking to identify just the shortest segment and the airline that flies it.
Northwest ~ MSP-ORD (334 miles)
Once upon a time, yes, but in 1988 I've found an even shorter one. It's over 100 miles shorter... and it's interstate. Please, guess again!
Northwest ~ MSP-ORD (334 miles)
Once upon a time, yes, but in 1988 I've found an even shorter one. It's over 100 miles shorter... and it's interstate. Please, guess again!
May 9, 2020, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
41. (1979) After a week of studying archaeological artifacts recently discovered in Mexico City’s Chapultepec Park, it’s time to return home to your work in the Department of Anthropology at the Université de Montréal. Iberia offers a nonstop flight but it’s sold out all week. Thankfully your Québécois tinged Spanish is good enough to have netted you a newly expired OAG from the travel agency located downstairs in your hotel lobby. A thorough perusal of its pages allows you to cobble together an exciting three flight routing up to Montreal involving three different airlines operating three different aircraft types, each built by a different manufacturer. Each of the airlines is also its country’s main flag carrier. As an added bonus, you can complete the entire trip in a single day. Identify the three airlines, the aircraft type each flies and the routing of this trip. Buena suerte!
Although I initially came up with MEX-LAX-JFK-YMX (Aeromexico DC8, TWA L-1011, and LOT IL-62), the schedules probably wouldn’t satisfy the “complete the trip in a single day” constraint; given that, “main flag carriers of three different countries” very strongly suggests a Caribbean routing. Let’s start with MEX-Nassau/NAS on a British Airways L-1011, a short hop to Orlando/MCO on a Bahamasair BAC One-Eleven, and the final leg to Montreal Dorval/YUL on an Air Canada DC-8-61
Way to get this one off to a great start, J! Truth be told, you were a lot closer with your first guess but you'll need to re-do the routing. Aeromexico was indeed one of the carriers and if you think about its entry points into the US I think you'll clean this one up fairly easily.
52. (1988) Five different U.S. airlines have owned and operated Boeing’s 747SP. Three of those airlines have operated it on domestic flights within the continental U.S. Per the OAG I used to reference this question, only one airline now operates a single 747SP flight on a coast to coast routing. Identify the route and the airline please.
First guess is TWA, BOS-SFO
An excellent guess. If I didn't know better I'd have thought the same thing. That said, it wasn't TWA and the flight itinerary didn't involve either BOS or SFO. Please, guess again!
Although I initially came up with MEX-LAX-JFK-YMX (Aeromexico DC8, TWA L-1011, and LOT IL-62), the schedules probably wouldn’t satisfy the “complete the trip in a single day” constraint; given that, “main flag carriers of three different countries” very strongly suggests a Caribbean routing. Let’s start with MEX-Nassau/NAS on a British Airways L-1011, a short hop to Orlando/MCO on a Bahamasair BAC One-Eleven, and the final leg to Montreal Dorval/YUL on an Air Canada DC-8-61
Way to get this one off to a great start, J! Truth be told, you were a lot closer with your first guess but you'll need to re-do the routing. Aeromexico was indeed one of the carriers and if you think about its entry points into the US I think you'll clean this one up fairly easily.
52. (1988) Five different U.S. airlines have owned and operated Boeing’s 747SP. Three of those airlines have operated it on domestic flights within the continental U.S. Per the OAG I used to reference this question, only one airline now operates a single 747SP flight on a coast to coast routing. Identify the route and the airline please.
First guess is TWA, BOS-SFO
An excellent guess. If I didn't know better I'd have thought the same thing. That said, it wasn't TWA and the flight itinerary didn't involve either BOS or SFO. Please, guess again!
May 9, 2020, 1:44 pm
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54. (1995) Over the years, the Miami to Montreal route has offered a great opportunity to enjoy international standard inflight service via the fifth freedom rights granted to foreign carriers flying the route. Alas, Aerolineas Argentinas and its 747s no longer ply the route, but another airline still offers a seat in the forward cabin aboard a one-stop direct flight that will put you into Montreal – albeit Mirabel – by midday. Name the airline, aircraft and enroute stop.
This sure sounds like a South American air carrier.....and I'm willing to wager the stop was made in the New York area, most likely at JFK. So let's go with Ladeco operating a B757-200 with this flight originating in Santiago (SCL).
Ladeco is correct! Being a Chilean carrier, I should imagine the flight originated out of SCL, but did 757s have the legs for SCL-MIA? (4150 miles) If so, that sector may have been the longest 757 flight in the world at the time as I believe trans-Atlantic 757 services did not commence until later. In any event, I don't have an International OAG for 1995, so I'll take your word for it. As for the rest of the routing, you are spot on. Here's the schedule out of Miami:
Ladeco UC 320 Miami (MIA) 700a-950a S New York (JFK) 1035a-1200n S Montreal (YUL) 757-200 Tu We Th
59. (1995) Over the years you’ve seen three different airlines offer nonstop service on the Omaha to Washington DC route. Unfortunately, none of them seem to offer the service for more than a couple years. At least the latest iteration operates two almost daily flights into Washington National, conveniently located just a short drive from your hotel at L’Enfant Plaza. Identify the airline and aircraft type operated on this route.
I think this was Midwest Express operating DC9-10 service as I recall Omaha was a focus city for the carrier. If so, the cabin was in a business class type of arrangement with 2-2 seating and just 60 seats although the flights were marketed as coach. Here's the Midwest Express DC9 seating chart:
Right again! I can smell those chocolate chip cookies now... Unfortunately, by the time I finally flew on YX, it had changed its name to Midwest Airlines and operated an all economy class configured ERJ-190 between Denver and Milwaukee. Here's the schedules for the two flights between Omaha and Washington DC:
Midwest Express YX 52 Omaha (OMA) 705a-1020a B Washington ((DCA) DC-9-10 X7
Midwest Express YX 58 Omaha (OMA) 350p-705p L Washington ((DCA) DC-9-10 X6
This sure sounds like a South American air carrier.....and I'm willing to wager the stop was made in the New York area, most likely at JFK. So let's go with Ladeco operating a B757-200 with this flight originating in Santiago (SCL).
Ladeco is correct! Being a Chilean carrier, I should imagine the flight originated out of SCL, but did 757s have the legs for SCL-MIA? (4150 miles) If so, that sector may have been the longest 757 flight in the world at the time as I believe trans-Atlantic 757 services did not commence until later. In any event, I don't have an International OAG for 1995, so I'll take your word for it. As for the rest of the routing, you are spot on. Here's the schedule out of Miami:
Ladeco UC 320 Miami (MIA) 700a-950a S New York (JFK) 1035a-1200n S Montreal (YUL) 757-200 Tu We Th
59. (1995) Over the years you’ve seen three different airlines offer nonstop service on the Omaha to Washington DC route. Unfortunately, none of them seem to offer the service for more than a couple years. At least the latest iteration operates two almost daily flights into Washington National, conveniently located just a short drive from your hotel at L’Enfant Plaza. Identify the airline and aircraft type operated on this route.
I think this was Midwest Express operating DC9-10 service as I recall Omaha was a focus city for the carrier. If so, the cabin was in a business class type of arrangement with 2-2 seating and just 60 seats although the flights were marketed as coach. Here's the Midwest Express DC9 seating chart:
Right again! I can smell those chocolate chip cookies now... Unfortunately, by the time I finally flew on YX, it had changed its name to Midwest Airlines and operated an all economy class configured ERJ-190 between Denver and Milwaukee. Here's the schedules for the two flights between Omaha and Washington DC:
Midwest Express YX 52 Omaha (OMA) 705a-1020a B Washington ((DCA) DC-9-10 X7
Midwest Express YX 58 Omaha (OMA) 350p-705p L Washington ((DCA) DC-9-10 X6
May 9, 2020, 2:46 pm
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41- the only other U.S. destination that I can recall on AM out of MEX was Miami, which totally makes sense in the context of the much shorter Caribbean-ish routing ... MIA was actually an intermediate stop on a flight to Europe (Madrid?), which suggests the equipment was a DC-10
I can come up with a handful of interesting MIA-XXX-YUL/YMX routings; given the airlines (AC, UP, LO, TW) and aircraft (DC8/D8S, L10, IL6, and B11) that are apparently not part of the answer, though, "major flag carrier" is quite problematic ... a fifth-freedom hop from JFK could have also been on Czech (OK), but they ran the IL6; moreover, there were few if any MIA-JFK options on non-US carriers
*** two hours later ***
for some weird reason I have been fixated on non-Boeing aircraft because I was almost positive that Seat 2A had included that limitation in the question
this still doesn't solve the flag carrier issue, but it does open up the aperture on the jet types ... MEX-MIA, AM, D10; MIA-JFK, Eastern, A300; JFK-YMX, Royal Air Maroc, 707
I can come up with a handful of interesting MIA-XXX-YUL/YMX routings; given the airlines (AC, UP, LO, TW) and aircraft (DC8/D8S, L10, IL6, and B11) that are apparently not part of the answer, though, "major flag carrier" is quite problematic ... a fifth-freedom hop from JFK could have also been on Czech (OK), but they ran the IL6; moreover, there were few if any MIA-JFK options on non-US carriers
*** two hours later ***
for some weird reason I have been fixated on non-Boeing aircraft because I was almost positive that Seat 2A had included that limitation in the question
this still doesn't solve the flag carrier issue, but it does open up the aperture on the jet types ... MEX-MIA, AM, D10; MIA-JFK, Eastern, A300; JFK-YMX, Royal Air Maroc, 707
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Well, I did not mean to infer that Ladeco was operating nonstop B757-200 service between Santiago, Chile and Miami. And truth be told, I wasn't sure just what the routing was between SCL and MIA.....so I simply stated I thought the northbound flight originated at Santiago.
And then I did some research using my battered old Oct. 1, 1993 OAG worldwide edition. Ladeco wasn't serving Montreal at this time....but they were serving Miami, New York JFK and even Baltimore. Here's a representative northbound sched.....
UC 350: Buenos Aires (EZE) 19:45 - 20:45 Santiago (SCL) 21:50 - 05:20+1 Miami (MIA) 06:20 - 08:50 Baltimore (BWI) 09:10 (est.) - 10:05 New York (JFK)
Freq: EZE-SCL Thursdays and Saturdays only, SCL-JFK Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays only
Service classes: J/Y
Equip: 757
So Ladeco was indeed operating Boeing 757-200 service nonstop between Santiago and Miami which my OAG lists as being a distance of 4,130 miles.
BTW, other air carriers operating SCL-MIA service at this time included American with the B767-300 and MD-11, LAN-Chile with the B767-300, and United with the B747SP and B767-300.
And then I did some research using my battered old Oct. 1, 1993 OAG worldwide edition. Ladeco wasn't serving Montreal at this time....but they were serving Miami, New York JFK and even Baltimore. Here's a representative northbound sched.....
UC 350: Buenos Aires (EZE) 19:45 - 20:45 Santiago (SCL) 21:50 - 05:20+1 Miami (MIA) 06:20 - 08:50 Baltimore (BWI) 09:10 (est.) - 10:05 New York (JFK)
Freq: EZE-SCL Thursdays and Saturdays only, SCL-JFK Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays only
Service classes: J/Y
Equip: 757
So Ladeco was indeed operating Boeing 757-200 service nonstop between Santiago and Miami which my OAG lists as being a distance of 4,130 miles.
BTW, other air carriers operating SCL-MIA service at this time included American with the B767-300 and MD-11, LAN-Chile with the B767-300, and United with the B747SP and B767-300.
May 9, 2020, 3:51 pm
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41. (1979)After a week of studying archaeological artifacts recently discovered in Mexico City’s Chapultepec Park, it’s time to return home to your work in the Department of Anthropology at the Université de Montréal. Iberia offers a nonstop flight but it’s sold out all week. Thankfully your Québécois tinged Spanish is good enough to have netted you a newly expired OAG from the travel agency located downstairs in your hotel lobby. A thorough perusal of its pages allows you to cobble together an exciting three flight routing up to Montreal involving three different airlines operating three different aircraft types, each built by a different manufacturer. Each of the airlines is also its country’s main flag carrier. As an added bonus, you can complete the entire trip in a single day. Identify the three airlines, the aircraft type each flies and the routing of this trip. Buena suerte!
MEX-MIA, AM, D10; MIA-JFK, Eastern, A300; JFK-YMX, Royal Air Maroc, 707
Well, you've got the routing correct. Airbus was not involved, but Aeromexico was with a McDonnell-Douglas product. Royal Air Maroc was not involved, though Boeing was on one of the sectors. Please, carry on...
MEX-MIA, AM, D10; MIA-JFK, Eastern, A300; JFK-YMX, Royal Air Maroc, 707
Well, you've got the routing correct. Airbus was not involved, but Aeromexico was with a McDonnell-Douglas product. Royal Air Maroc was not involved, though Boeing was on one of the sectors. Please, carry on...
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52. (1988) Five different U.S. airlines have owned and operated Boeing’s 747SP. Three of those airlines have operated it on domestic flights within the continental U.S. Per the OAG I used to reference this question, only one airline now operates a single 747SP flight on a coast to coast routing. Identify the route and the airline please.
It's not TWA or anything out of either SFO or BOS
It's not TWA or anything out of either SFO or BOS
Edited to add: clearly my memory is flawed. After posting I looked up when UA bought PA's Pacific routes and see that I am off by several years. And double edited to add that SFO was already ruled out.
Trying again... UA would have already had the SPs in 1988 so I will instead guess UA IAD-LAX.
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