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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.

Old May 12, 2020, 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
While not a 747, the shortest flight I ever flew aboard a wide body on was an Eastern A300 between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. 20.8 miles. Runner up goes to a United DC-10 between Baltimore and Washington Dulles - 44.9 miles
I can't match MIA-FLL, but PAE-BFI at 26 miles comes pretty close
(I know it doesn't "count" since it wasn't a scheduled passenger flight, but there's a lot to be said for 10-12 minutes at 6000 feet over Lake Washington, standing behind the flight engineer's seat, and seeing Mount Rainier through the forward windows at sunset on a clear January afternoon)
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Old May 12, 2020, 6:58 pm
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My candidate for shortest scheduled wide-body flight would be FIH-BZV at 16 miles. Looks like AF operates it currently(!) with a 330. Air Afrique operated it with a DC-10. I seem to recall some FTers have flown this route with LH and imagine it could have been a SN route too. ET seems to have operated it with a 767.

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Originally Posted by KT550
I think you'd struggle to beat SAN-LAX at 109 miles.

British Airways used to fly YVR-SEA (127 miles) then on to LHR but I don't know if stopover traffic was allowed. I doubt there were traffic rights for the YVR-SEA sector alone.
Depends on the U.S.-U.K. bilateral at the time. CX certainly had YVR-SFO rights in that era (or slightly later).

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Old May 13, 2020, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
36. (1979) Its been a great weekend in Las Vegas but now duty calls in Baltimore. Youve got a late afternoon appointment in Glen Burnie and it just so happens that theres a one-stop redeye thatll get you into Baltimore mid-morning. Your ability to sleep on airplanes is legendary, so this flight will be perfect! Identify the airline, aircraft and the stop.
So it's a twin engine aircraft, not DL, and not via ATL.
Keeping with the DC-9-30 theme, how about OZ LAS-STL-BWI?

48. (1998) If you want to fly out of Las Vegas aboard a DC-9-30, only one airline fits the bill, offering service to a single destination. Identify the airline and the destination city served.
How about Midwest Express (YX) to MKE?
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Old May 13, 2020, 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
I can't match MIA-FLL, but PAE-BFI at 26 miles comes pretty close
(I know it doesn't "count" since it wasn't a scheduled passenger flight, but there's a lot to be said for 10-12 minutes at 6000 feet over Lake Washington, standing behind the flight engineer's seat, and seeing Mount Rainier through the forward windows at sunset on a clear January afternoon)
The highest I've ever flown (FL510) was also on the shortest flight as measured from origin to destination: SAV-SAV at a nice round 0 miles!

These short flight posts got me thinking though. I was wondering about the shortest scheduled airline flight I've taken as a local passenger. I've flown SFO-OAK on UA but not as a local passenger. Also some hops like IAD/JFK-PHL as a through or connecting passenger.

So, without further ado, my top three short flights as a local O&D pax:
ADZ-PVA, 58 miles, SATENA-marketed, Searca-operated Let L-410
SFO-SMF, 86 miles, various different UA mainline or UAX/OE regional aircraft like J31, SH6, EM2
PHL-LGA, 95 miles. US Airways Express (I forget which specific carrier) DH8
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Old May 13, 2020, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
The highest I've ever flown (FL510) was also on the shortest flight as measured from origin to destination: SAV-SAV at a nice round 0 miles!
guessing you work(ed) for Gulfstream ...
Originally Posted by Herb687
These short flight posts got me thinking though. I was wondering about the shortest scheduled airline flight I've taken as a local passenger. I've flown SFO-OAK on UA but not as a local passenger. Also some hops like IAD/JFK-PHL as a through or connecting passenger.
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PHL-LGA, 95 miles. US Airways Express (I forget which specific carrier) DH8
probably Piedmont

mine is SNA-LAX; 36 miles on a Golden West DHC-6 Twin Otter in 1977 (having disembarked from a USAF C-9A at MCAS El Toro) ... I've done BWI-DCA (30 miles) as a connecting flight on Allegheny Beech 99s in 1974 and 1975
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Old May 13, 2020, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by KT550
British Airways used to fly YVR-SEA (127 miles) then on to LHR but I don't know if stopover traffic was allowed. I doubt there were traffic rights for the YVR-SEA sector alone.
I actually did LHR-SEA-YVR on BA in the 1980s, but it was a Tristar rather than a 747. I don't recall anyone boarding at Seattle. Believe it or not BA actually managed to serve an Afternoon Tea on a tray on the sector. In Y.
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Old May 13, 2020, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM
I actually did LHR-SEA-YVR on BA in the 1980s, but it was a Tristar rather than a 747. I don't recall anyone boarding at Seattle. Believe it or not BA actually managed to serve an Afternoon Tea on a tray on the sector. In Y.
YVR-SEA-LHR in a 747-200 for me in May '86. We stayed on board in SEA but I don't remember if any pax disembarked. I suspect not.
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Old May 13, 2020, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687

These short flight posts got me thinking though. I was wondering about the shortest scheduled airline flight I've taken as a local passenger. I've flown SFO-OAK on UA but not as a local passenger. Also some hops like IAD/JFK-PHL as a through or connecting passenger.

So, without further ado, my top three short flights as a local O&D pax:
ADZ-PVA, 58 miles, SATENA-marketed, Searca-operated Let L-410
SFO-SMF, 86 miles, various different UA mainline or UAX/OE regional aircraft like J31, SH6, EM2
PHL-LGA, 95 miles. US Airways Express (I forget which specific carrier) DH8
My shortest hops as a local passenger.....

Clear Lake City (CLC) - Houston Intercontinental (IAH): around 26 miles on board a Houston Metro DHC-6 Twin Otter

San Luis Obispo (SBP) - Santa Maria (SMX): also around 26 miles on board a United Express BAe Jetstream 31 operated by WestAir (and what should have been a very short flight time-wise actually took almost an hour as we had to repeatedly shoot the IFR approach into SMX due to fog. We made it on the fourth attempt.)

I also flew on Houston Metro Twin Otters several times CLC-IAH as a connecting passenger.

And several more short hops in the Houston area but every time as a connecting passenger.....

Ellington Field (EFD) - Houston Intercontinental (IAH): around 25 miles on board Continental Express ATR-42 and ERJ-135 aircraft

Houston Hobby (HOU) - Houston Intercontinental (IAH): around 24 miles on board Continental Express Beechcraft 1900D and Continental B737-300 aircraft
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Old May 13, 2020, 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
My shortest hops as a local passenger.....

Clear Lake City (CLC) - Houston Intercontinental (IAH): around 26 miles on board a Houston Metro DHC-6 Twin Otter

San Luis Obispo (SBP) - Santa Maria (SMX): also around 26 miles on board a United Express BAe Jetstream 31 operated by WestAir (and what should have been a very short flight time-wise actually took almost an hour as we had to repeatedly shoot the IFR approach into SMX due to fog. We made it on the fourth attempt.)

I also flew on Houston Metro Twin Otters several times CLC-IAH as a connecting passenger.

And several more short hops in the Houston area but every time as a connecting passenger.....

Ellington Field (EFD) - Houston Intercontinental (IAH): around 25 miles on board Continental Express ATR-42 and ERJ-135 aircraft

Houston Hobby (HOU) - Houston Intercontinental (IAH): around 24 miles on board Continental Express Beechcraft 1900D and Continental B737-300 aircraft
Games like this are always fun. I have a pretty good one to add here, though a bit more off the wall than the others. In October I was in Ireland for a visit and took a flight out to the Arann Islands off the coast of Galway. Beautiful place, if you ever have the chance to visit. In order to do that I logged two flights on the obscure Aer Arann Islands (website) onboard a Britten-Norman Islander. While not an ICAO member they are a regularly-scheduled carrier with flights between all three of the islands and the Irish mainland. The flight clocked in at 14 miles and we did it in 8 minutes. If memory serves, cruising altitude was right around 1,000 feet.

The best part was that while I had told my wife we would be flying to the islands on a small plane instead of taking the ferry, I had neglected to tell her just how small and loud the plane would be. Fortunately she's of the adventurous type, but she did give me a hard time about it for a few days. It was apparently her first flight on a plane that small.
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Old May 13, 2020, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
36. (1979) Its been a great weekend in Las Vegas but now duty calls in Baltimore. Youve got a late afternoon appointment in Glen Burnie and it just so happens that theres a one-stop redeye thatll get you into Baltimore mid-morning. Your ability to sleep on airplanes is legendary, so this flight will be perfect! Identify the airline, aircraft and the stop.

So it's a twin engine aircraft, not DL, and not via ATL. Keeping with the DC-9-30 theme, how about OZ LAS-STL-BWI?

An excellent guess, Herb, but no - it's not Ozark. That said, there aren't many other options. Please, finish this one off!


48. (1998) If you want to fly out of Las Vegas aboard a DC-9-30, only one airline fits the bill, offering service to a single destination. Identify the airline and the destination city served.

How about Midwest Express (YX) to MKE?

Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner! Here are the schedules for the two flights YX operated out of LAS. MD80s did the heavy lifting the rest of the week. These may well have been the longest DC-9-30 flights in the country ...


Midwest Express YX 742 Las Vegas (LAS) 340p-900p S Milwaukee (MKE) DC-9-30 Th only

Midwest Express YX 712 Las Vegas (LAS) 830p-115a S Milwaukee (MKE) DC-9-30 Sa only

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Old May 13, 2020, 1:36 pm
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well, I lied an hour ago

my shortest commercial flight as a revenue O/D passenger was in Dec 1978, on a New York Air S-61 ... 11 miles across Long Island from LaGuardia to JFK
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Old May 13, 2020, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
53. (1970) Based upon schedules reflected in the 1970 OAG I used to reference these questions, what was the shortest flight in the U.S. operated with a 747?
Originally Posted by jrl767
53-I dont believe PA had upgauged the DL interchange (ATL-IAD-LHR) from a DC-8, or their SFO-LAX-Central America flights from a 707; moreover, I dont recall either PA or Northwest doing LAX-SFO tags on TPACs or HNL routes this early ... a few years later, TWA 747s were regulars on BOS-JFK, so I think Ill start with that
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Over the years, TWA did indeed employ its 747 fairly regularly on the JFK-BOS route, but alas, not per the OAG I used to reference this question. So then, we continue to look for a different, longer route
53- did PA perhaps run their 747 IAD-LHR flight via JFK prior to extending it to ATL on the interchange?
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Old May 13, 2020, 2:03 pm
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32. (1989) Your family loves to ski. Unfortunately quality ski opportunities are difficult to come by in Minnesota so this year you’ve headed off to Killington, Vermont. Unfortunately, getting back home to the Twin Cities will not be as easy as it was getting to Vermont. Your flight from Burlington to Minneapolis makes 2 enroute stops. At least a snack is served along the way. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.

39. (1979) Between San Juan, PR and Miami, almost all of the mostly daily flights are operated with wide-bodied equipment. Only one airline serves this route exclusively with narrow-bodied equipment (2 daily flights). Identify that airline as well as the aircraft type it utilizes
32. Wild guess time.....Continental via stops at Newark (EWR) and Cleveland (CLE). If so, the equipment may have been a B737-200....or possibly a B737-100 which might have been inherited from People Express.

39. Eastern was the big player in this market with its San Juan hub back then....and if I recall correctly, Delta was also operating flights between MIA and SJU with EA and DL both flying L-1011 aircraft on the route. I also believe National was operating MIA-SJU back then with the B727-200....however, I am going to go with another airline which was beginning to make its presence felt in the Caribbean back in the late 1970's from Miami: American flying the B707 on the MIA-SJU route.

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Old May 13, 2020, 2:18 pm
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43. (1989) It used to be that the only airline offering flights between Albuquerque and Tucson was Frontier. You still have fond memories of dressing up to fly to Tucson aboard a new 727 Arrow Jet back in 1967. These days Frontier has passed into history and the ABQ-TUS market is now served by two airlines, each offering two daily nonstop flights. Identify those airlines and the aircraft each operates on its flights.
43- I think one was a US Air 737-300 (which actually originated in Pittsburgh/PIT); not a clue as to the other, so herewith a random guess -- Delta operating a 727-200
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Old May 13, 2020, 2:46 pm
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Here's a list of SOME of my shortest flights...

San Francisco to Oakland – 11.3 miles – Alaska MD80

Moorea to Papeete – 15.7 miles – Air Tahiti DHC-6

Miami to Ft. Lauderdale – 20.8 miles – Eastern A300

Molokai to Lanai – 28.4 miles – Hawaiian Air DC-9-50

Wrangell to Petersburg – 31.3 miles – Alaska 727-100

Bora Bora to Raiatea – 40 miles – Air Polynesie F27

Durango to Cortez – 49.3 miles – Frontier CVR-580

Scranton, PA to Allentown, PA – 49.7 – Allegheny DC-9-30

Helena to Butte – 51.1 miles – Northwest 727-200

Lincoln to Omaha- 54 miles - Frontier 737

Buffalo to Rochester – 55.3 miles – US Air BAC-111

Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO – 62.8 miles – Ozark DC-9-30

New Orleans to Baton Rouge – 65.1 miles – Delta 727-200
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