Feb 24, 2015, 12:18 pm
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CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
Apr 11, 2016, 5:02 pm
#842
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I think proximity (in addition to the pilot shortage) really didn't help our case -- with pmCO's hub in EWR, pmUA's hubs in ORD and IAD this section of the country was over hubified and of the four cities -- as much as I love Cleveland -- we didn't really stand a chance long term. (Well, the other option I saw was to close IAD as a hub and realistically the chances of that happening were only slightly better than ORD or EWR getting shuttered, i.e. infinitesimally small)
I just hope we can hold on to what we have and add strategic mainline.
I really do miss the CO glory days/attitudes/dependability... Though that seems to be slowly coming back.
I just hope we can hold on to what we have and add strategic mainline.
I really do miss the CO glory days/attitudes/dependability... Though that seems to be slowly coming back.
Apr 11, 2016, 5:06 pm
#843
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I remember reading somewhere that good 'old Ricky was telling a news outlet (maybe PD??) that an airline would be soon adding flight(s) to MCI. I guess either that fell through or they wanted to delay it. Then again, the airport is run by morons. The key to attracting new service is to make an enticing offer to a new airline. The folks at CLE don't seem to see that because they have outrageous takeoff/landing fees.
Apr 11, 2016, 7:13 pm
#844
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
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There's no way that CO would have signed a 30 year lease for an interim facility. They had long-term plans for CLE, they just never panned out. There were always rumors of a PC opening in D, also never came to fruition though.
9/11 scuttled a lot and then once things started to recover they announced big increases for CLE in 2007/2008...just before the great recession hit.
The shame is that with EWR and ORD being overcrowded and delayed, CLE served as one of the most reliable hubs in the system. But the pilot shortage really did CLE in.
There's no vision whatsoever at CLE now.
I've heard rumors of AA or WN adding flights to MCI, so I'm just hoping that comes true this year. Don't expect much else, let alone get service to Europe again.
9/11 scuttled a lot and then once things started to recover they announced big increases for CLE in 2007/2008...just before the great recession hit.
The shame is that with EWR and ORD being overcrowded and delayed, CLE served as one of the most reliable hubs in the system. But the pilot shortage really did CLE in.
There's no vision whatsoever at CLE now.
I've heard rumors of AA or WN adding flights to MCI, so I'm just hoping that comes true this year. Don't expect much else, let alone get service to Europe again.
Here's the press release re: the massive expansion, including CLE-CDG (I had the pleasure of flying on the inaugural flight in 2008).
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-58040357.html
And here's an article about the curtailment of CO's expansion. Too bad the recession hit.
http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2...tailed_wi.html
I don't dispute that, sadly, CLE is generally poorly run, but CLE has made a remarkable comeback in the wake of UA's pulldown of the hub.
Apr 11, 2016, 10:13 pm
#845
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I wouldn't say it's remarkable, though it is better than some other dehubbed airports have fared. Most of the new service is to existing markets, though F9 is stepping it up with PDX and SEA.
A more robust recovery will be if CLE gets service back to cities like AUS, MCI, SAN, PBI, YUL, etc. Service to EU, now that would be remarkable.
I can see AA making a play when they move over to concourse C for a larger presence in CLE. Nonstops to LAX and MCI wouldn't shock me.
A more robust recovery will be if CLE gets service back to cities like AUS, MCI, SAN, PBI, YUL, etc. Service to EU, now that would be remarkable.
I can see AA making a play when they move over to concourse C for a larger presence in CLE. Nonstops to LAX and MCI wouldn't shock me.
Apr 13, 2016, 1:02 pm
#847
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Regional authority
A little write-up on Columbus, OH's effort to attract additional international traffic.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-to-asia.html#
As the article states, nothing is imminent. However, I believe that Columbus may actually get a TATL or TPAC service before Cleveland, even though Cleveland really does have a larger catchment area. Reason being, they have a regional airport authority and a vision for the airport system. Northeast Ohio would benefit from having a regional authority, I believe, if the civic leaders in Akron, Cleveland, and Youngstown could compromise and allow air traffic to evolve as a region rather than in piecemeal scraps.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-to-asia.html#
As the article states, nothing is imminent. However, I believe that Columbus may actually get a TATL or TPAC service before Cleveland, even though Cleveland really does have a larger catchment area. Reason being, they have a regional airport authority and a vision for the airport system. Northeast Ohio would benefit from having a regional authority, I believe, if the civic leaders in Akron, Cleveland, and Youngstown could compromise and allow air traffic to evolve as a region rather than in piecemeal scraps.
Apr 13, 2016, 1:55 pm
#849
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I will be on a different flight on 15 APR. I can take some pictures of any Frontier route launch festivities. Works out well, as my flight will be from the old US Airways gates near Frontier's gates.
Apr 13, 2016, 4:17 pm
#851
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Apr 13, 2016, 5:29 pm
#852
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As this is the UA forum, general discussion of F9's operations would be best handled in the F9 forum or for the CLE angle in the Midwest Forum.
WineCountryUA
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Apr 13, 2016, 6:58 pm
#854
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: CLE, CAK
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Topic Check
As this is the UA forum, general discussion of F9's operations would be best handled in the F9 forum or for the CLE angle in the Midwest Forum.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
As this is the UA forum, general discussion of F9's operations would be best handled in the F9 forum or for the CLE angle in the Midwest Forum.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
Apr 14, 2016, 3:19 pm
#855
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: CLE
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One good thing about dehubbing is that there are no more Chase credit card people trying to get new customers. I'm in IAH and the Chase people are relentless! Otherwise I miss the hub. Maybe UA could make CLE a focus city?