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Old Apr 6, 2020 | 11:04 am
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Social Distancing Implies Many less seats

They are flying less than 10% Full

No one is going to want to risk flying no matter how few people are on the plane.

So they need to chop up those cabins and stretch out the seats...

Or go broke.
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Old Apr 6, 2020 | 3:48 pm
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And there are great things that people can do at home even in this day and age -- and especially in this day and age.

And next time someone is in the market for getting a home, consider a place that you may enjoy more even if you're home-bound.
This is making me think about whether apartment and condo buildings should offer rebates for the common facilities that are closed now, such as pools, health clubs, and other places that residents might gather, plus whatever social events are the norm for the building.

Of course, the same applies to hotels, including customer service gestures for closed lounges.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
This is making me think about whether apartment and condo buildings should offer rebates for the common facilities that are closed now, such as pools, health clubs, and other places that residents might gather, plus whatever social events are the norm for the building.

Of course, the same applies to hotels, including customer service gestures for closed lounges.
Condo building’s usually have boards that can get condo management to do as the board wants done; so that would probably be up to the condo owners about what they want done with the condo fees. But there are also some condo management entities that are their own beast looking out for themselves and willing to fleece the condo owners in the aggregate.

Apartment building tenants could hit up the landlord.

Hotels don’t always provide discounts when some guest facilities are unavailable for some/most/all guests, but the squeaky wheel may get the grease.
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Old Apr 6, 2020 | 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Condo building’s usually have boards that can get condo management to do as the board wants done; so that would probably be up to the condo owners about what they want done with the condo fees. But there are also some condo management entities that are their own beast looking out for themselves and willing to fleece the condo owners in the aggregate.

Apartment building tenants could hit up the landlord.

Hotels don’t always provide discounts when some guest facilities are unavailable for some/most/all guests, but the squeaky wheel may get the grease.
Yes I understand all of this, but my question was *should*?
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Old Apr 6, 2020 | 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
This is making me think about whether apartment and condo buildings should offer rebates for the common facilities that are closed now, such as pools, health clubs, and other places that residents might gather, plus whatever social events are the norm for the building.

Of course, the same applies to hotels, including customer service gestures for closed lounges.
I think it's easier to argue for a rebate for renters than condo owners. It basically comes down to whether people are willing to pay more when a building has common facilities because they want to access those facilities or because they value living in a building that has those facilities whether they use them or not. Renters are mostly going to fall into the first category, while condo owners could be more likely to fall into the second if they feel that the existence of that facility helps with property values.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 12:21 am
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I'm a little bit worried about people in some places becoming more hostile to visible foreigners. Also some countries have taken a very inflexible or hardline approach to lock down, giving next to no notice. I wonder if these will put some people off travelling.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 4:24 am
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Unless (like most of the UK population seems to think at the moment) we are locked down until we have a vaccine, we will have to come to terms sooner or later with the fact that things will start opening up and we will start having to expose ourselves at a level that will result in a steady stream of a (very) small percentage of people ending up in hospital, for the next year or two, lest we wish to become hermits in our homes permanently. I have just maybe come to terms with that sooner than most others.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 5:32 am
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Ever since the virus spread like crazy in Europe and the US, it’s been pretty clear that the shutdowns were temporary to buy time and hope that late spring and early summer would save the world. No one in their right mind expects a vaccine to make a huge difference in saving lives this year; nor does any such person think we can keep shutdown for the better part of a year. Even 3 months is pushing it. But here is what will happen because of the Balkanized handling of this virus and lockdowns: a country may open up in parts but want to keep bans of sort in place for some or many anyway.

Until recently a Swede or Norwegian could go to Finland without issue. But now Finland wants to crack down especially on persons from Sweden from coming into Finland except under limited conditions.

There goes my May ski trip even if I were found healthy and to have antibodies for this coronavirus.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 5:42 am
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Certainly I would say the mood amongst the general UK population is for a total lockdown, for as long as possible. Ministers are promoting that line too.

Hopefully Boris will recover quickly. If anything were to happen with him I imagine the collective psyche would be so affected that we'd be the last in the world to unlock.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by T8191

BTW, I dont currently want to go to South Africa, even if we (or anyone else!) can enter, as sales of alcohol and cigarettes are currently suspended. And THATs the sort of thing existing at the other end of the telescope for optimists.
You want to get sick (and perhaps infect others) the old-fashioned way, through smoking or alcohol. Not this novel coronavirus nonsense...
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 8:31 am
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You want to get sick (and perhaps infect others) the old-fashioned way, through smoking or alcohol. Not this novel coronavirus nonsense...
I do find your posts rather obscure, and indeed confusing.
I shall move on, politely ignoring you.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by T8191
I do admire some peoples optimism about when this will end. Indefinitely makes sense to me, when you start looking at restrictions imposed by destination Nations. Until they, with their local circumstances, start relaxing restrictions, who cares what UK does ... we wont be able to get in to the destination anyway. Its out of our hands, completely.

BTW, I dont currently want to go to South Africa, even if we (or anyone else!) can enter, as sales of alcohol and cigarettes are currently suspended. And THATs the sort of thing existing at the other end of the telescope for optimists.

Hey-ho. Just chilling and waiting for the World to get back to quasi-normal, and eventually see if theres anywhere worth going, and which surviving airlines fly there.
This must be very tough for South Africa's wine industry. Are they at least allowed to sell wine for export?
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
This must be very tough for South Africa's wine industry. Are they at least allowed to sell wine for export?
I woukd read those restrictions as being personal consumption ... i.e. trying to stop people going shopping fir what their Gov’t deems non-essential *cough* *slurp*
However, having exchanged emails with our regular 3 privately-owned hotels and our usual taxi driver, they are certainly in deep stress down there. Whether they will all be functioning come December is as concerning for them as it it is for us.

Only when the ZA Gov’t feels it safe to re-open the border and relax internal restrictions will their huge tourism industry see a future.
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 11:46 am
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I'm a little bit worried about people in some places becoming more hostile to visible foreigners. Also some countries have taken a very inflexible or hardline approach to lock down, giving next to no notice. I wonder if these will put some people off travelling.
It's a mixed bag on the travel forums. There are some very ugly "stay away we don't want you" sentiments being expressed. The sad thing is, most of these are from posters I've interacted with for years. Posters who previously expressed thoughtful and balanced perspectives, were well reasoned and articulated their positions in manners that were diplomatic and non-offensive to a fault. In a space of a couple weeks some of them seem to have gone completely around the bend, to internet 'thug' mentalities, with zero tolerance for any position or perspective but their own. "Hostile" is generous. Some of the posts that I'd go so far as to describe as "menacing" and just this side of "unhinged". This wouldn't be so shocking if it were new posters or trolls. But largely it is not. This virus is really changing people.

I doubt it will stop me from traveling, once we're able to do so. But, sadly, yes, I'll probably be looking over my shoulder and around me more often for awhile. Making judgement calls on precautions I otherwise might not have previously. That sort of thing. :-(
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Old Apr 7, 2020 | 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes
Posters who previously expressed thoughtful and balanced perspectives, were well reasoned and articulated their positions in manners that were diplomatic and non-offensive to a fault. In a space of a couple weeks some of them seem to have gone completely around the bend, to internet 'thug' mentalities, with zero tolerance for any position or perspective but their own. "Hostile" is generous. Some of the posts that I'd go so far as to describe as "menacing" and just this side of "unhinged". This wouldn't be so shocking if it were new posters or trolls. But largely it is not. This virus is really changing people.-(

The virus has brought out many peoples survival instincts. That, and with videos released showing horrors of Covid patients in ICU, and trucks carrying corpses, made people believe anyone can die with this virus. I have heard so many people posting "millions have/will die".
The thing that was being pushed back in early March was to "treat every other person as a carrier of the virus". Considering that in many countries, 1 in 1000 or even 1 in 10,000 people have the virus, it does seem overkill, but it was erring on the side of caution

That in turn leads to a lot of deeply angry and stressed people who are literally considering every one else on this planet to be infected
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