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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 7:40 pm
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3. Expect to be requested/required to make the business trip? Can you refuse without being penalized? [IIRC in some jurisdictions, you might be able to refuse if you're in a high risk group for COVID-19, such as preexisting medical conditions, but one might want to be cautious about claiming age as a reason not to make the trip.]
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 12:10 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
3. Expect to be requested/required to make the business trip? Can you refuse without being penalized? [IIRC in some jurisdictions, you might be able to refuse if you're in a high risk group for COVID-19, such as preexisting medical conditions, but one might want to be cautious about claiming age as a reason not to make the trip.]
Your question is good, but that presupposes my #2 . That is, if someone is an expat, then a 14 day quarantine might just be the cost of doing business. But you won't get a lot of consultants, working on a 5 day project, who can handle the "overhead" of being paid for a 14 day quarantine.
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 12:59 am
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And internationally that could often be two quarantine periods, one at the destination and one on return.
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 5:20 am
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EC suggestion Schengen+ entry restrictions to extend to 15 May.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...l/en/ip_20_616
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
EC suggestion Schengen+ entry restrictions to extend to 15 May.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...l/en/ip_20_616
What a surprise!!!

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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 10:57 am
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They should just set a date and leave it at that instead of extending it every few weeks.
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc
They should just set a date and leave it at that instead of extending it every few weeks.
The dates could be set in further in the future to begin with and restrictions dropped earlier if possible, but the duration of any restriction should be only dictated by the current pandemia situation in the area: if the situation is improving, it is possible to ease the restrictions, but if there is high risk that without restrictions infections would spread rapidly, the only appropriate action is to continue restrictions.
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc
They should just set a date and leave it at that instead of extending it every few weeks.
So in other words, ignore the data as they develop?
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by sbrower
Assuming that there was no lockdown in your country, BUT assuming that at your destination there was going to be a mandatory 14 day quarantine (a real one - no restaurants, no friends, no walks outside), would you:

1. Take a leisure trip.
2. Expect to be approved for a business trip.
1. No
2. Only in very exceptional and rare cases.
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc
They should just set a date and leave it at that instead of extending it every few weeks.
If they actually have a criteria they should state that explicitly instead of pick a arbitrary date with some nebulous statement about why and when.
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Old Apr 10, 2020 | 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Sjoerd
1. No
2. Only in very exceptional and rare cases.
My answers are the same. And, while I "approve" all my own trips (and have a real business), I cannot picture any instance where I would "approve" a trip with a 14 day quarantine as a component.
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Old Apr 11, 2020 | 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by IMOA
And internationally that could often be two quarantine periods, one at the destination and one on return.
This could be an issue for domestic interstate travel in the USA, although so far it seems to be self-quarantines that might or might not be enforced.

IIRC Australia has restrictions on internal movements too.
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Old Apr 11, 2020 | 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
This could be an issue for domestic interstate travel in the USA, although so far it seems to be self-quarantines that might or might not be enforced.
Including flight-access-only states like Hawaii? They've made a really big deal of their 14-day quarantine for everyone arriving from elsewhere in the USA, and enlisted the airports to help enforce it from what I understand. It's obviously much easier to enforce in a place you can't reach by road (from anywhere else in the USA).
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Australia contemplating extending international travel ban through the end of the year:

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Old Apr 11, 2020 | 5:50 pm
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2 interviews with some experts in China (not Zhong Nan Shan but someone else) were quoted by the Taiwanese newspaper. Some of the points they make on this front:

The 1st guy who worked on SARS in 2003 has a lot of points:

1 - should not worry too much about those who are - then +. They are not that infectious - those infected showing no symptom also are not as infectious [it makes sense since they are less likely to cough on things]
2 - key is to wear masks, wash hands and social distance
3 - COVID-19 is more sneaky than SARS
4 - he is not counting on any magical medicine since we have not found one for SARS, MERS, EBOLA, bird flu [is this true?]
5 - treatment is basically keeping the person alive and hoping the immune system will kick in
6 - basically it is ARDS so treat as ARDS
7 - he thinks most recovered can fully recover after some time as SARS (after a hear) [lots of reports say damages are permanent]


The 2nd guy's point is no need to worry about those who are infected but without symptom if there is no confirmed cases. That is, if the person infects other people, some of them must have symptom and will be confirmed.

https://udn.com/news/story/120936/4484964
https://udn.com/news/story/120936/4484921

Anyway, I guess Mainland China must be somewhat confident that things will be OK for them to start loosening the restrictions.

It seems their mobile phone color-code system is a black-box - you apply and you get your color code to use at checkpoints but no one knows the criteria? I don't know how we can implement anything like that in the US, not to mention globally.
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