Apr 16, 2017, 1:12 pm
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Club Europe Catering Guide 2017.
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
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Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
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October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
----
Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
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October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
Club Europe catering guide
Apr 30, 2018, 4:33 pm
#2251
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Probably not vegan as you got a proper pudding (rather than a fruit plate) and butter - but then again, nothing surprises me about BA's special meal catering anymore!
I had the same plate (albeit with cheesecake instead of the rice pudding tart thing) as the lacto-ovo vegetarian option on BLQ-LHR on Saturday, so it looks like this is becoming the special meal of the moment. No complaints from me on that front, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
I had the same plate (albeit with cheesecake instead of the rice pudding tart thing) as the lacto-ovo vegetarian option on BLQ-LHR on Saturday, so it looks like this is becoming the special meal of the moment. No complaints from me on that front, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
Apr 30, 2018, 11:29 pm
#2252
Join Date: Mar 2018
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Yes you do get a choice on all short haul and domestic routes, and there is a large amount of overlap with short and medium routes so you’ll see the same salad on both MAN and FRA routes. The exceptions for getting a choice are LBA/MAN where there is no choice (unless you count not having anything as a choice!)
May 1, 2018, 12:33 am
#2253
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May 1, 2018, 1:18 am
#2254
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May 1, 2018, 2:19 am
#2255
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Cheshire
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For me the issue isn’t that I desperately want a choice on a 35 minute flight, but that the ONLY choice every single flight is CHICKEN.
May 1, 2018, 2:30 am
#2256
Join Date: Nov 2012
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And if the only choice was Prawn, which is a well-known allergen, how many passengers would have to reject it (or be forced to choose a special meal in advance)?
May 1, 2018, 5:50 am
#2257
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May 1, 2018, 5:59 am
#2258
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Prawn allergy affects much less than 1% of the population. The total food allergy rate in the UK is about 1.5%, for all foods, though for young children it is about 6% - they tend to grow out of it as their body develops. More people have some sort of food intolerance (e.g. coelic is about 1%, though only a quarter of that cohort will have a clinical diagnosis).
May 1, 2018, 11:20 am
#2259
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Posts: 1,752
What CE delights await me routing to BUC?
On a evening outbound Heathrow to Bucharest later this month. Dare I ask...hot meal on that sector or not? Best to eat in First lounge T5?
May 1, 2018, 12:04 pm
#2260
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Personally I dislike chicken and avoid it wherever possible. And I used to love prawns, but now I've been told that the slightest cross-contamination could kill me, and I have to carry two epipens. So if there's only one option as a CE meal, I'd prefer it to be chicken. And, now I understand more about allergies, I would advocate for that even if it wasn't an allergen for me personally. I personally don't believe that allergies are just a personal issue; I think we should all try to be as considerate as possible of other people's medical conditions, whether it's a chronic physical or mental handicap or a life-threatening condition.
Last edited by ttama; May 1, 2018 at 12:17 pm
May 1, 2018, 12:06 pm
#2261
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May 1, 2018, 12:14 pm
#2262
Join Date: Nov 2012
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Prawn allergy affects much less than 1% of the population. The total food allergy rate in the UK is about 1.5%, for all foods, though for young children it is about 6% - they tend to grow out of it as their body develops. More people have some sort of food intolerance (e.g. coelic is about 1%, though only a quarter of that cohort will have a clinical diagnosis).
My allergies are all adult-onset, as are most people I know personally. I grew up in a time when few children had (known) allergies, although asthma was on the rise.
According to this article, which refers to the USA "Food allergies affect an estimated 5 percent of adults, compared to 8 percent of children, and these rates are rising." https://www.allergicliving.com/2014/...set-allergies/
The NHS website says allergies affect more than 1 in 4 people throughout their life. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/allergies/
There's a large body of literature on allergies, and I was diagnosed by one of the leading specialists and authors of his time, which is why I'm interested in where your facts came from.
May 1, 2018, 12:23 pm
#2263
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Food Standards Agency - Allergy Basics and Statistics - AAW 2016
Most allergies are not food related, or rather indirectly so. Hayfever and asthma are not food related but things like growing rapeseed (Canola / colza) have caused problems along the lines you suggest. However as a farmer with a most unfortunate hayfever allergy to rapeseed I can actually eat the stuff quite cheerfully. 28% of UK adults have some allergic reaction, just under half of this figure have more than one allergen, but only a tiny number of people have food allergies (as opposed to intolerances). Very few people are allergic to prawns.
Most allergies are not food related, or rather indirectly so. Hayfever and asthma are not food related but things like growing rapeseed (Canola / colza) have caused problems along the lines you suggest. However as a farmer with a most unfortunate hayfever allergy to rapeseed I can actually eat the stuff quite cheerfully. 28% of UK adults have some allergic reaction, just under half of this figure have more than one allergen, but only a tiny number of people have food allergies (as opposed to intolerances). Very few people are allergic to prawns.
May 1, 2018, 1:45 pm
#2264
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Personal experience: as a child, I was allergic to poultry and seafood. I grew out of it, though I still react to caviar. Whenever I eat soft nuts (hazelnuts, walnuts etc) I get a tingle in my throat but I have never had any other sort of reaction. I mentioned this to a friend’s father who is a specialist within allergies. He asked if I had any pollen allergies, and said it is common to get this if you do. This does not mean I’m allergic to any kind of nuts, apparently. I’m not a medical professional, just relaying what he said. I’m well aware of the dangers to those with severe allergies and very happy to have outgrown mine.
May 2, 2018, 7:47 am
#2265
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I had the Band 1 afternoon tea outbound from LGW to AMS last week, and dinner on the way back. I knew better than to be excited about the afternoon tea, but it really was terrible--half a slice of supermarket ham, one piece of lettuce, a baby cherry tomato, a wedge of cheddar, chutney, butter, half a sausage roll (not a scotch egg), and a squished piece of white bread. The cheese was the best part; I couldn't handle more than a bite of the sausage roll. At least the Victoria sponge was tasty, though I demolished it in two bites. I know it's a short flight, but I was in row 3 and we weren't served until about 20 minutes left in the flight.
On the return to Gatwick, the three (whole!) prawns and pasta/whole grain salad were actually pretty tasty, but not filling. I really enjoyed the apple cinnamon mousse dessert. Service was pretty good, although they didn't bring out the bread rolls until everyone had been served. Too bad BA doesn't offer pre-departure beverages in Club Europe; I could have finished off a G&T on the 20-minute taxi out to the Polderbaan runway at AMS.
On the return to Gatwick, the three (whole!) prawns and pasta/whole grain salad were actually pretty tasty, but not filling. I really enjoyed the apple cinnamon mousse dessert. Service was pretty good, although they didn't bring out the bread rolls until everyone had been served. Too bad BA doesn't offer pre-departure beverages in Club Europe; I could have finished off a G&T on the 20-minute taxi out to the Polderbaan runway at AMS.